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Harlemlakerfan
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That was the Big 3 Miami Heat record, after 17 games. That team, went on a major run after that and started a run of 4 straight Finals appearances, and 2 championships.
I know things look bad but, we have to stay the course and not overreact too early. Navigate the stormy waters..... clearer skies are ahead. |
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roger_federer
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:38 am Post subject: Re: 9-8 |
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you people keep living in 2003. Lebron is 36 now.
have you seen our schedule so far and the teams we are losing to? |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:43 am Post subject: |
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Given that reasoning and the age of our roster, we should just sign the actual Shane Battier. He's only 43. He'll fit right in. |
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PenG_
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 7:47 am Post subject: |
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They ended the season 2nd in offense and 5th in defense, despite being 20th in pace.
That early bad start was mainly due to Wade forgetting how to play basketball, but he was still Dwayne Wade... one of the best two-way players in the league. Westbrook's upside relative to his poor start is what exactly?
And it goes without saying that Lebron was indestructible at that time, whereas he's been constantly injured as a Laker. |
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vasashi17+
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Although I agree with the wait & see premise, folks like to bring this example up, but fail to realize Miami lost in the Finals that year.
Bron is about to be 37. He was much younger during his Miami tenure. Every season wasted now during his twilight is a wasted opportunity. We can’t hope that this works only to waste yet another year of Bron.
Year 1 in LA, he was shut down due to injury and we miss the playoffs. Bron had plenty of time before the COVID season started up. Then tragedy strikes, we have a 4 month work stoppage and we end up winning the bubble title. That lengthy rehab window not only helped Bron but also AD, playoff Rondo, 33y/o Green and Dwight along with some other older personnel we had on the roster.
Quick turnaround and Bron goes down again. So first 3 seasons with LA, 2 have been plagued with injury and one season where he has plenty of recovery time led to a title.
That is the blueprint for Bron: alleviate playmaking. He lost in the Finals when Wade/Bosh & Ky/Love were not 100% healthy.
The silver lining is that we have precedence in “super teams” winning in year1 of their construction. Those damn cbags headlined KG/Shuttlesworth/P(oo)P(oo) and were world beaters in year1. The Lakers actually attempted to slam the brakes on that team by bringing in Pau (who instantaneously worked next to Kob/LO/Drew), but got kicked in the mouth in the Finals during their year1 together.
So there is hope, but a Bron team hasn’t done it in year1…not in Miami and not in his Cleveland reboot. The outlier is year1 with AD…but it took a historically irregular season/playoffs to accomplish.
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krisobe
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:23 am Post subject: |
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So 9-8..... So is reaching the FNALS and not winning the Championship like the 1st year Heatles, a success season for Lakers? Difference is... Heatles had PRIME 26 turning 27 year old LeBron James. We have a injured 36 turning 37 year old next month in LeBron James. That is the difference. If we had 26-27 year old LeBron then thats fine. But this is way different than the 9-8 first year Heatles.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 9:25 am Post subject: |
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| krisobe wrote: | | So 9-8..... So is reaching the FNALS and NOT winning the Championship like the 1st year Heatles, a success season for Lakers? |
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| krisobe wrote: | | So 9-8..... So is reaching the FNALS and NOT winning the Championship like the 1st year Heatles, a success season for Lakers? |
Most Lakers fans would say no, but I would say yes.
Obviously, that's not your ultimate goal, but just getting to the finals is difficult. I can't have the hubris to say, "Getting to the finals and losing is exactly the same as not making the playoffs -- it's a binary of ring or no ring." |
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1) they lost
2) they were all in their primes
3) they didn't have Westbrook
4) stop! |
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Harlemlakerfan
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| Please keep that same energy. I will bump this thread later in the year, and then we will see if all of you naysayers still have that same energy |
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| Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | Please keep that same energy. I will bump this thread later in the year, and then we will see if all of you naysayers still have that same energy |
Are you also going to bump it if you turn out to be wrong?
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PenG_
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| vasashi17+ wrote: |
That is the blueprint for Bron: alleviate playmaking. He lost in the Finals when Wade/Bosh & Ky/Love were not 100% healthy.
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I mean Love and Kyrie were entirely absent in that first finals, rather than "not 100%". |
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LakerSD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:55 am Post subject: |
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We really need to stop with these comparisons.
LeBron is now 37 years old and isn’t available as he once was.
When you give the keys to Lebron, the highs are highs and the lows (when he doesn’t play) are really low.
The Lebron era Lakers can’t beat G league teams when he is not in the lineup. What’s worse is this particular roster needs him to just barely beat tanking teams. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| brons older, but AD should be better than Bosh, nunn is better than wade so we good. |
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mad55557777
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| i will just say this, if we have a 27 year old Lebron, i could careless about our current record, and i won't even care how West is a bad fit and how AD is soft. |
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LakerSD
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| Halflife wrote: | | brons older, but AD should be better than Bosh, nunn is better than wade so we good. |
The bolded is why the Lakers fan base is on AD. He’s just not performing well enough and his numbers are starting to look more empty stats.
He’s kind of put himself in that empty stats cesspool with Russ. |
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PenG_
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | | brons older, but AD should be better than Bosh, nunn is better than wade so we good. |
Wade was an MVP caliber player with Bron, especially the 1st year. |
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Harlemlakerfan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| Aeneas Hunter wrote: | | Harlemlakerfan wrote: | | Please keep that same energy. I will bump this thread later in the year, and then we will see if all of you naysayers still have that same energy |
Are you also going to bump it if you turn out to be wrong? |
I sure will and I will issue a personal apology to each and every one of you. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:38 am Post subject: Re: 9-8 |
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| roger_federer wrote: | you people keep living in 2003. Lebron is 36 now.
have you seen our schedule so far and the teams we are losing to? |
He will be 37 in a month |
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troy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:38 am Post subject: Re: 9-8 |
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| Harlemlakerfan wrote: | That was the Big 3 Miami Heat record, after 17 games. That team, went on a major run after that and started a run of 4 straight Finals appearances, and 2 championships.
I know things look bad but, we have to stay the course and not overreact too early. Navigate the stormy waters..... clearer skies are ahead. |
The Big 3 on that Miami team was young, hungry, and in their prime. We don't even have a Big 3. We have more of a broken down Big 1.75 |
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LakerSD
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:53 am Post subject: Re: 9-8 |
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| troy wrote: | | Harlemlakerfan wrote: | That was the Big 3 Miami Heat record, after 17 games. That team, went on a major run after that and started a run of 4 straight Finals appearances, and 2 championships.
I know things look bad but, we have to stay the course and not overreact too early. Navigate the stormy waters..... clearer skies are ahead. |
The Big 3 on that Miami team was young, hungry, and in their prime. We don't even have a Big 3. We have more of a broken down Big 1.75 |
1.75 is actually pretty accurate.
0.75 Lebron (injuries)
0.50 Davis (Day to day)
0.50 Westbrook (empty stats) |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 11:59 am Post subject: |
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But we don't have a big 3. We have a big 2 and a half.  Miami was VASTLY different as Wade was an true star who just needed to get going. Not sure I could say the same about Westbrick. Plus, Lebron was younger back then in his absolute prime. Lebron could have won with just about any decent star such as with Kyrie. We know Kyrie wasn't even that good.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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Miami also had one of all-time great, clutch 3-point shooters on its roster.
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mad55557777
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2021 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| nevitt_smrek wrote: | | Miami also had one of all-time great, clutch 3-point shooters on its roster. |
certainly wasn't in 2011. |
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