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Dr. Laker
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| PlantedTanks wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | comparing Reeves and THT, i think Reeves brings more to the table. all THT does is penetrating to the hoop, clogging up the paint even more. Reeves can play as a spot up shooter, penetrate drive and kick or finish at the rim. on the defensive end THT has the longer arms for deflections and steels, but Reeves plays better positioning defense. |
tht has much higher upside due to his ability to penetrate
if either his defense improves or his 3p% goes up, then would be a good starter
if both, then a real star
reaves has higher downside at this time
if his 3p% goes up, then he becomes a good starter |
Reaves has a better shooting stroke than THT now, and he probably has a better vision as a playmaker. THT is solely attacking the rim at this point as nobody respects his jumper, you certainly can't do that with Reaves. THT has a far more NBA level body and maybe a higher ceiling, but Reaves has a high floor due to his understanding of the game. he plays excellent defense already as an undrafted rookie, and that doesn't go away. |
Reaves is currently shooting 32% from 3 and in his last 2 college years 26 and 31%. Still needs to show consistency and improvement in this area before stating he has the better shooting stroke. |
Shooting is am imperative for him. If he was a better athlete, he could strive to be a Swiss Army Knife/defensive specialist a la Caruso. Since he's not, he will have to knock down shots.
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mad55557777
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | comparing Reeves and THT, i think Reeves brings more to the table. all THT does is penetrating to the hoop, clogging up the paint even more. Reeves can play as a spot up shooter, penetrate drive and kick or finish at the rim. on the defensive end THT has the longer arms for deflections and steels, but Reeves plays better positioning defense. |
tht has much higher upside due to his ability to penetrate
if either his defense improves or his 3p% goes up, then would be a good starter
if both, then a real star
reaves has higher downside at this time
if his 3p% goes up, then he becomes a good starter |
Reaves has a better shooting stroke than THT now, and he probably has a better vision as a playmaker. THT is solely attacking the rim at this point as nobody respects his jumper, you certainly can't do that with Reaves. THT has a far more NBA level body and maybe a higher ceiling, but Reaves has a high floor due to his understanding of the game. he plays excellent defense already as an undrafted rookie, and that doesn't go away. |
Reaves is currently shooting 32% from 3 and in his last 2 college years 26 and 31%. Still needs to show consistency and improvement in this area before stating he has the better shooting stroke. |
Shooting is am imperative for him. If he was a better athlete, he could strive to be a Swiss Army Knife/defensive specialist a la Caruso. Since he's not, he will have to knock down shots. |
defense is the only reason he is playing as an undrafted rookie, and he has done really well guarding the top wing players of the other team. if his ceiling is Caruso, he is not far because as good as AC was on defense, he was a liability on offense. |
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Outspoken
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| J.C. Smith wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | J.C. Smith wrote: | | And so it begins... |
And so what begins? |
The legend of Austin Reeves... |
Larry Legend, The legend of Austin Reaves  |
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PlantedTanks
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | comparing Reeves and THT, i think Reeves brings more to the table. all THT does is penetrating to the hoop, clogging up the paint even more. Reeves can play as a spot up shooter, penetrate drive and kick or finish at the rim. on the defensive end THT has the longer arms for deflections and steels, but Reeves plays better positioning defense. |
tht has much higher upside due to his ability to penetrate
if either his defense improves or his 3p% goes up, then would be a good starter
if both, then a real star
reaves has higher downside at this time
if his 3p% goes up, then he becomes a good starter |
Reaves has a better shooting stroke than THT now, and he probably has a better vision as a playmaker. THT is solely attacking the rim at this point as nobody respects his jumper, you certainly can't do that with Reaves. THT has a far more NBA level body and maybe a higher ceiling, but Reaves has a high floor due to his understanding of the game. he plays excellent defense already as an undrafted rookie, and that doesn't go away. |
Reaves is currently shooting 32% from 3 and in his last 2 college years 26 and 31%. Still needs to show consistency and improvement in this area before stating he has the better shooting stroke. |
Shooting is am imperative for him. If he was a better athlete, he could strive to be a Swiss Army Knife/defensive specialist a la Caruso. Since he's not, he will have to knock down shots. |
Agree if he is to become a solid starter. Otherwise his ability to create shots for his teammates and put pressure on the defense via drives to the rim or mid-range should enable him to be a solid 25 minutes rotation player. |
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Outspoken
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| mad55557777 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | comparing Reeves and THT, i think Reeves brings more to the table. all THT does is penetrating to the hoop, clogging up the paint even more. Reeves can play as a spot up shooter, penetrate drive and kick or finish at the rim. on the defensive end THT has the longer arms for deflections and steels, but Reeves plays better positioning defense. |
tht has much higher upside due to his ability to penetrate
if either his defense improves or his 3p% goes up, then would be a good starter
if both, then a real star
reaves has higher downside at this time
if his 3p% goes up, then he becomes a good starter |
Reaves has a better shooting stroke than THT now, and he probably has a better vision as a playmaker. THT is solely attacking the rim at this point as nobody respects his jumper, you certainly can't do that with Reaves. THT has a far more NBA level body and maybe a higher ceiling, but Reaves has a high floor due to his understanding of the game. he plays excellent defense already as an undrafted rookie, and that doesn't go away. |
THT has a hard time using his off hand as well. He literally never lays up with his left hand. I know some would look to Ginobli or John Stockton, or some one who doesn't necessarily use their off hand and think it isn't that bad. To me, it is because it limits you making it easier to defend and game plan on you. He would have to be elite in shooting, to cover that inability. I personally would love for him to develop an left hand, but that isn't just some thing you develop at an older age, unless you are really and extremely working on it. |
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PlantedTanks
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| Outspoken wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | comparing Reeves and THT, i think Reeves brings more to the table. all THT does is penetrating to the hoop, clogging up the paint even more. Reeves can play as a spot up shooter, penetrate drive and kick or finish at the rim. on the defensive end THT has the longer arms for deflections and steels, but Reeves plays better positioning defense. |
tht has much higher upside due to his ability to penetrate
if either his defense improves or his 3p% goes up, then would be a good starter
if both, then a real star
reaves has higher downside at this time
if his 3p% goes up, then he becomes a good starter |
Reaves has a better shooting stroke than THT now, and he probably has a better vision as a playmaker. THT is solely attacking the rim at this point as nobody respects his jumper, you certainly can't do that with Reaves. THT has a far more NBA level body and maybe a higher ceiling, but Reaves has a high floor due to his understanding of the game. he plays excellent defense already as an undrafted rookie, and that doesn't go away. |
THT has a hard time using his off hand as well. He literally never lays up with his left hand. I know some would look to Ginobli or John Stockton, or some one who doesn't necessarily use their off hand and think it isn't that bad. To me, it is because it limits you making it easier to defend and game plan on you. He would have to be elite in shooting, to cover that inability. I personally would love for him to develop an left hand, but that isn't just some thing you develop at an older age, unless you are really and extremely working on it. |
He was working on his off hand with Handy during his injury and I would believe will continue to do so. Is 20 years of age old? |
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DancingBarry
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | | My gut response was Steve Blake. Not sure that holds up - bigger, less pg skills. Andre Iggy? |
Iggy was a lottery pick/All Star/2X All D/Finals MVP.
I think Reaves can be an NBA starter if he hits shots. |
OLD Iggy isn't a bad comparison. Can defend different positions, playmake, hit some threes. Doesn't have that explosive step. Good glue guy that always works his way into the rotation. Reaves will likely be a better shooter.
Young Iggy, though, that man was a beast. He was an athletic freak. |
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matigol
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| DancingBarry wrote: | | Dr. Laker wrote: | | LakersRGolden wrote: | | My gut response was Steve Blake. Not sure that holds up - bigger, less pg skills. Andre Iggy? |
Iggy was a lottery pick/All Star/2X All D/Finals MVP.
I think Reaves can be an NBA starter if he hits shots. |
OLD Iggy isn't a bad comparison. Can defend different positions, playmake, hit some threes. Doesn't have that explosive step. Good glue guy that always works his way into the rotation. Reaves will likely be a better shooter.
Young Iggy, though, that man was a beast. He was an athletic freak. |
He‘ll be Joe Ingles Or maybe a lite version of Manu
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Joe Harris with Higher Bball IQ and Vision but with less shooting but with playmaking.
What I like the most about the kid is how he read plays on both ends. Caruso is an elite defender who can read opponents play, but I think what Reaves advantage over him is he can read plays both ways.
Though AC is still the superior defender, but Reaves can contribute better on offense. |
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Dr. Laker
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| Halflife wrote: | | eric piatkowski. |
Pike was a knockdown shooter.
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Halflife
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since whitey are his only comps:
Barry bros
tim Legler
Marc price
Shorter Kukoc
Shorter ferry
The blond haired dude that kind of looked like Kerr
Hornacek |
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panamaniac
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Halflife
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Tom Chambers
White chocalate
Paul westphal (rip)
Goran dragic
Dan marley
John Paxon
Mike Miller
Everyones favorite. Kirk henrich
Szczerbiak
Scott Skiles
Thinner tom Gugliotta
Slower Calderon
Bobby sura
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Outspoken
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| PlantedTanks wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | comparing Reeves and THT, i think Reeves brings more to the table. all THT does is penetrating to the hoop, clogging up the paint even more. Reeves can play as a spot up shooter, penetrate drive and kick or finish at the rim. on the defensive end THT has the longer arms for deflections and steels, but Reeves plays better positioning defense. |
tht has much higher upside due to his ability to penetrate
if either his defense improves or his 3p% goes up, then would be a good starter
if both, then a real star
reaves has higher downside at this time
if his 3p% goes up, then he becomes a good starter |
Reaves has a better shooting stroke than THT now, and he probably has a better vision as a playmaker. THT is solely attacking the rim at this point as nobody respects his jumper, you certainly can't do that with Reaves. THT has a far more NBA level body and maybe a higher ceiling, but Reaves has a high floor due to his understanding of the game. he plays excellent defense already as an undrafted rookie, and that doesn't go away. |
THT has a hard time using his off hand as well. He literally never lays up with his left hand. I know some would look to Ginobli or John Stockton, or some one who doesn't necessarily use their off hand and think it isn't that bad. To me, it is because it limits you making it easier to defend and game plan on you. He would have to be elite in shooting, to cover that inability. I personally would love for him to develop an left hand, but that isn't just some thing you develop at an older age, unless you are really and extremely working on it. |
He was working on his off hand with Handy during his injury and I would believe will continue to do so. Is 20 years of age old? |
I think he can develop it, but honestly, only few people have that strong of work ethic. Players have work ethic, to a point, but being pyscho about the game, not many are. I mean all they focus on is improving their game and inability, to the point they are doing nothing but practicing. 500 made shots, and then i'll leave the gym. They go home and they are watching game tape. They are watching nothing, but NBA games. They go to sleep thinking about the game, they wake up thinking about the game and so forth.
I say that to say, it takes more than just work to develop an off hand. It takes reps, consistency and practice. I didn't see him using his off hand in preseason. How do you work on it in practice, but not practicing it in the games?
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Dr. Laker
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Halflife wrote: | since whitey are his only comps:
Barry bros
tim Legler
Marc price
Shorter Kukoc
Shorter ferry
The blond haired dude that kind of looked like Kerr
Hornacek |
Whitey? Really? C'mon, dude. I'm black and I'm offended.
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Outspoken
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| Halflife wrote: | Tom Chambers
White chocalate
Paul westphal (rip)
Goran dragic
Dan marley
John Paxon
Mike Miller
Everyones favorite. Kirk henrich
Szczerbiak
Scott Skiles
Thinner tom Gugliotta
Slower Calderon
Bobby sura
Craig ehlo |
No Pistol Pete? |
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Halflife
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2021 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | Tom Chambers
White chocalate
Paul westphal (rip)
Goran dragic
Dan marley
John Paxon
Mike Miller
Everyones favorite. Kirk henrich
Szczerbiak
Scott Skiles
Thinner tom Gugliotta
Slower Calderon
Bobby sura
Craig ehlo |
No Pistol Pete? |
I gotta draw the line somewhere. |
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governator
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| Patti Mills? |
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Outspoken
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| governator wrote: | | Patti Mills? |
you feel his ceiling is Patti Mills? |
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DancingBarry
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | since whitey are his only comps:
Barry bros
tim Legler
Marc price
Shorter Kukoc
Shorter ferry
The blond haired dude that kind of looked like Kerr
Hornacek |
Whitey? Really? C'mon, dude. I'm black and I'm offended. |
Lol. Rando white baller + add or subtract these skills that player doesn't have = white baller comparison. |
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mad55557777
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| leking006 wrote: | Joe Harris with Higher Bball IQ and Vision but with less shooting but with playmaking.
What I like the most about the kid is how he read plays on both ends. Caruso is an elite defender who can read opponents play, but I think what Reaves advantage over him is he can read plays both ways.
Though AC is still the superior defender, but Reaves can contribute better on offense. |
I am sorry, joe Harris would be literally useless without his shooting |
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cal1piggy
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| Dr. Laker wrote: | | Halflife wrote: | since whitey are his only comps:
Barry bros
tim Legler
Marc price
Shorter Kukoc
Shorter ferry
The blond haired dude that kind of looked like Kerr
Hornacek |
Whitey? Really? C'mon, dude. I'm black and I'm offended. |
whitey?
what ?
never heard of it 
i am asian
no offense to anyone |
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| Outspoken wrote: | | PlantedTanks wrote: | | Outspoken wrote: | | mad55557777 wrote: | | cal1piggy wrote: | | SGV-Laker fan wrote: | | comparing Reeves and THT, i think Reeves brings more to the table. all THT does is penetrating to the hoop, clogging up the paint even more. Reeves can play as a spot up shooter, penetrate drive and kick or finish at the rim. on the defensive end THT has the longer arms for deflections and steels, but Reeves plays better positioning defense. |
tht has much higher upside due to his ability to penetrate
if either his defense improves or his 3p% goes up, then would be a good starter
if both, then a real star
reaves has higher downside at this time
if his 3p% goes up, then he becomes a good starter |
Reaves has a better shooting stroke than THT now, and he probably has a better vision as a playmaker. THT is solely attacking the rim at this point as nobody respects his jumper, you certainly can't do that with Reaves. THT has a far more NBA level body and maybe a higher ceiling, but Reaves has a high floor due to his understanding of the game. he plays excellent defense already as an undrafted rookie, and that doesn't go away. |
THT has a hard time using his off hand as well. He literally never lays up with his left hand. I know some would look to Ginobli or John Stockton, or some one who doesn't necessarily use their off hand and think it isn't that bad. To me, it is because it limits you making it easier to defend and game plan on you. He would have to be elite in shooting, to cover that inability. I personally would love for him to develop an left hand, but that isn't just some thing you develop at an older age, unless you are really and extremely working on it. |
He was working on his off hand with Handy during his injury and I would believe will continue to do so. Is 20 years of age old? |
I think he can develop it, but honestly, only few people have that strong of work ethic. Players have work ethic, to a point, but being pyscho about the game, not many are. I mean all they focus on is improving their game and inability, to the point they are doing nothing but practicing. 500 made shots, and then i'll leave the gym. They go home and they are watching game tape. They are watching nothing, but NBA games. They go to sleep thinking about the game, they wake up thinking about the game and so forth.
I say that to say, it takes more than just work to develop an off hand. It takes reps, consistency and practice. I didn't see him using his off hand in preseason. How do you work on it in practice, but not practicing it in the games? |
I could have sworn last season he was asked about it several times and out of nowhere he used his off hand a few times in a game around the basket. I can't recall him using it much after that but it showed that he knows what his biggest weaknesses are and is working on it. It will be interesting if he starts doing it a bit more consistently now in actual game action after probably working on it endlessly during his current injury.
I think sometimes people forget just how young he still is.. Reaves is almost 3 years older then him and is a rookie |
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To me, the key to Reaves' upside is his playmaking. Some of the passes he's making, and the speed of his decision making, wow. He's finding guys with scoring windows under the basket, has shown a nice pocket pass, skip pass on the drive. Really impressive. His handle is underrated too.
Once he gets a bit stronger, and if he can become a knockdown shooter, he could be a starter in this league for a good number of years.
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