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 Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: Now That It Appears As Though Lamar Has Been Stripped Of His Facilitator Duties... |
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is it fair to expect more scoring out of him?
I mean, wasn't the reason behind his lower scoring production was that he was "torn" between either dropping 20+ points or dishing out 10 assists?
He should now be free to dominate the likes of Darius Miles and Travis Outlaw in the low post, right? |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Now That It Appears As Though Lamar Has Been Stripped Of His Facilitator Duties... |
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| And 1 wrote: | is it fair to expect more scoring out of him?
I mean, wasn't the reason behind his lower scoring production was that he was "torn" between either dropping 20+ points or dishing out 10 assists?
He should now be free to dominate the likes of Darius Miles and Travis Outlaw in the low post, right? |
You know I know that these things take time and you have to patient, but he is just asleep half the time...and it kills me!
Its almost like hes not focused...  |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Now That It Appears As Though Lamar Has Been Stripped Of His Facilitator Duties... |
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| And 1 wrote: | is it fair to expect more scoring out of him?
I mean, wasn't the reason behind his lower scoring production was that he was "torn" between either dropping 20+ points or dishing out 10 assists?
He should now be free to dominate the likes of Darius Miles and Travis Outlaw in the low post, right? |
When did he get stripped of facilitator duties? I thought he's still taking that role. |
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| I think it's probably better to say that Kobe and LO have been splitting ALOT of time at the iniator in these last few weaks. |
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Uhhh...when did he get stripped of his facilitator duties? He still brings the ball upcourt unless it's for certain set plays and he still tries to get others involved.
And again, I brought this up last night, he has shown that he can be clutch at the end of games and get timely buckets if he goes to the basket. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Now That It Appears As Though Lamar Has Been Stripped Of His Facilitator Duties... |
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| lakez34 wrote: | | And 1 wrote: | is it fair to expect more scoring out of him?
I mean, wasn't the reason behind his lower scoring production was that he was "torn" between either dropping 20+ points or dishing out 10 assists?
He should now be free to dominate the likes of Darius Miles and Travis Outlaw in the low post, right? |
When did he get stripped of facilitator duties? I thought he's still taking that role. |
Kobes asst. have gone up. LO barely brings the ball up anymore. Again PJ is learning what some/Tex have known. LO cant make decisions. His handles are good, but ONLY for a guy 6'10. They need more scoring out of him yet that only appears to net them an xtra bucket or 2. He is a one trick pony. He has become an afterthought oit there only coming up big when he wants. he blends in with the other scrubs. |
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| LAL25 wrote: | Uhhh...when did he get stripped of his facilitator duties? He still brings the ball upcourt unless it's for certain set plays and he still tries to get others involved.
And again, I brought this up last night, he has shown that he can be clutch at the end of games and get timely buckets if he goes to the basket. |
I think that you are confusing "bringing the ball upcourt" to facilitating. Kobe facilitated the entire first half and most of the 3rd quarter.
As for being clutch and delivering timely baskets...
There should not have been a need for that against a team like the Blazers. Lamar should hae gone off for at least 25 points against the likes of Miles, Outlaw, and that Russian guy.
Do you disagree with that? |
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| maybe what lamar needs to do is learn how to use his right hand |
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LO is overrated
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Now That It Appears As Though Lamar Has Been Stripped Of His Facilitator Duties... |
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| lakez34 wrote: | | And 1 wrote: | is it fair to expect more scoring out of him?
I mean, wasn't the reason behind his lower scoring production was that he was "torn" between either dropping 20+ points or dishing out 10 assists?
He should now be free to dominate the likes of Darius Miles and Travis Outlaw in the low post, right? |
When did he get stripped of facilitator duties? I thought he's still taking that role. |
Well, if he has been somebody needs to tell him to come off of that perimeter then...
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| Someone tell Lamar to come out gunning early. The first three possessions of every game Lamar should drive to the basket. |
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| And 1 wrote: | | LAL25 wrote: | Uhhh...when did he get stripped of his facilitator duties? He still brings the ball upcourt unless it's for certain set plays and he still tries to get others involved.
And again, I brought this up last night, he has shown that he can be clutch at the end of games and get timely buckets if he goes to the basket. |
I think that you are confusing "bringing the ball upcourt" to facilitating. Kobe facilitated the entire first half and most of the 3rd quarter.
As for being clutch and delivering timely baskets...
There should not have been a need for that against a team like the Blazers. Lamar should hae gone off for at least 25 points against the likes of Miles, Outlaw, and that Russian guy.
Do you disagree with that? |
What your confusing with demotion is the "taking over mode" that Kobe goes into when he gets impatient with how things are going. I've noticed that a lot in the last month or so.
Phil should move to the "duel initiator" facet of this system as soon as possible anyway. The problem is the Lakers as a whole just aren't ready for that movement yet. Lo should really be orchestrating from the high post where he can be most effective...The league has about three small forwards that can deal with him in that zone. I wish I knew what Jacksons vision was...
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Now That It Appears As Though Lamar Has Been Stripped Of His Facilitator Duties... |
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| THE_SHOES wrote: | | lakez34 wrote: | | And 1 wrote: | is it fair to expect more scoring out of him?
I mean, wasn't the reason behind his lower scoring production was that he was "torn" between either dropping 20+ points or dishing out 10 assists?
He should now be free to dominate the likes of Darius Miles and Travis Outlaw in the low post, right? |
When did he get stripped of facilitator duties? I thought he's still taking that role. |
Well, if he has been somebody needs to tell him to come off of that perimeter then... |
Think PJ is realizing he's playing LO at the wrong position, that he need to be in the post more? |
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| CrimsonLaker wrote: | | Someone tell Lamar to come out gunning early. The first three possessions of every game Lamar should drive to the basket. |
Absolutely! Odom has been in this role so long a lot of people actually think he has no offensive game! Man I wish he could be unleashed. We see it but, the Lakers coaching staff doesn't? That can't be can it?
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| i still dont know how odom made it this far without knowing how to go right |
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| CrimsonLaker wrote: | | Someone tell Lamar to come out gunning early. The first three possessions of every game Lamar should drive to the basket. |
So what if he does?
On the first possession, LO will likely blow the lay-up.
He'd make the second attempt, only to follow that up with a charging foul (probably because he can't use his right hand).
After which, he'd disappear for the rest of the half and 3rd quarter.
The, with the team struggling to catch up to (or hold off) an opponent, Odom will score a bucket or two in the fourth quarter to allow his jockers to crow, Hey, Lamar scored a key bucket for us in crunch time. |
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| More excuses for LO. hes on the perimeter, b/c he cant think to go down low. He doesnt take over b/c hes not wired that way. Kobe does everyones job but play center and even then hes getting his hands on some of the bigs balls sorry |
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| THE_SHOES wrote: | | And 1 wrote: | | LAL25 wrote: | Uhhh...when did he get stripped of his facilitator duties? He still brings the ball upcourt unless it's for certain set plays and he still tries to get others involved.
And again, I brought this up last night, he has shown that he can be clutch at the end of games and get timely buckets if he goes to the basket. |
I think that you are confusing "bringing the ball upcourt" to facilitating. Kobe facilitated the entire first half and most of the 3rd quarter.
As for being clutch and delivering timely baskets...
There should not have been a need for that against a team like the Blazers. Lamar should hae gone off for at least 25 points against the likes of Miles, Outlaw, and that Russian guy.
Do you disagree with that? |
What your confusing with demotion is the "taking over mode" that Kobe goes into when he gets impatient with how things are going. I've noticed that a lot in the last month or so.
Phil should move to the "duel initiator" facet of this system as soon as possible anyway. The problem is the Lakers as a whole just aren't ready for that movement yet. Lo should really be orchestrating from the high post where he can be most effective...The league has about three small forwards that can deal with him in that zone. I wish I knew what Jacksons vision was... |
Wow.
Talk about spin.
At the beginning of the year, didn't you say that that Lamar would thrive as facilitator under Phil's tutelage?
Now that Phil has scrapped that plan, he doesn't know how to use Odom correctly? |
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| THE_SHOES wrote: | | CrimsonLaker wrote: | | Someone tell Lamar to come out gunning early. The first three possessions of every game Lamar should drive to the basket. |
Absolutely! Odom has been in this role so long a lot of people actually think he has no offensive game! Man I wish he could be unleashed. We see it but, the Lakers coaching staff doesn't? That can't be can it? |
Let me add this to LG's list of excuses for Lamar's underachievement:
1) Lamar is recovering from shoulder surgery;
2) He's still learning the triangle offense;
3) He's deferring to a "hot" Sasha;
4) He's worried about being traded for Artest;
5) Lamar has to play with Kobe;
6) He's worried about being traded for anybody;
7) Lamar just became a father again;
8) He's staying out of Kobe's way while Kobe scores 80 points;
9) Lamar has bruised rib cartilage;
10) Gary Payton said mean things to him;
11) That was a one-time screw-up. It'll never happen again;
and now, courtesy of The Shoes:
12) The coaching staff doesn't know how to utilize him properly. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Now That It Appears As Though Lamar Has Been Stripped Of His Facilitator Duties... |
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| And 1 wrote: | is it fair to expect more scoring out of him?
I mean, wasn't the reason behind his lower scoring production was that he was "torn" between either dropping 20+ points or dishing out 10 assists?
He should now be free to dominate the likes of Darius Miles and Travis Outlaw in the low post, right? |
Not just on Lamar, but the whole team. They were facing not only Miles and Outlaw, but also Skinner and Randolph patrolling the paint, and were still jacking up 3's. When the other team's interior defense is actually worse than yours, maybe pounding the ball in the middle would be better than jacking up 3's.
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| CrimsonLaker wrote: | | Someone tell Lamar to come out gunning early. The first three possessions of every game Lamar should drive to the basket. |
Instead of Chris Mihm |
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| And 1 wrote: | | THE_SHOES wrote: | | CrimsonLaker wrote: | | Someone tell Lamar to come out gunning early. The first three possessions of every game Lamar should drive to the basket. |
Absolutely! Odom has been in this role so long a lot of people actually think he has no offensive game! Man I wish he could be unleashed. We see it but, the Lakers coaching staff doesn't? That can't be can it? |
Let me add this to LG's list of excuses for Lamar's underachievement:
1) Lamar is recovering from shoulder surgery;
2) He's still learning the triangle offense;
3) He's deferring to a "hot" Sasha;
4) He's worried about being traded for Artest;
5) Lamar has to play with Kobe;
6) He's worried about being traded for anybody;
7) Lamar just became a father again;
8) He's staying out of Kobe's way while Kobe scores 80 points;
9) Lamar has bruised rib cartilage;
10) Gary Payton said mean things to him;
11) That was a one-time screw-up. It'll never happen again;
and now, courtesy of The Shoes:
12) The coaching staff doesn't know how to utilize him properly. |
Hes used to being the man
Hes doing what staff asks
Out of position
sooooooo many more but you made the point |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Now That It Appears As Though Lamar Has Been Stripped Of His Facilitator Duties... |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | And 1 wrote: | is it fair to expect more scoring out of him?
I mean, wasn't the reason behind his lower scoring production was that he was "torn" between either dropping 20+ points or dishing out 10 assists?
He should now be free to dominate the likes of Darius Miles and Travis Outlaw in the low post, right? |
Not just on Lamar, but the whole team. They were facing not only Miles and Outlaw, but also Skinner and Randolph patrolling the paint, and were still jacking up 3's. When the other team's interior defense is actually worse than yours, maybe pounding the ball in the middle would be better than jacking up 3's. |
Yup, what that trend has progressively done is stunt the growth of this team and, Rudy T may as well still be running things because, cutting and, looking for the open man is gone from the whole concept. On occassion a pick and, roll. When the Lakers are in there best mode is when they actually utilize "a triple post" Unfortunately unless they can get either Mihm or Kwame going that ends that. Finally Kobe sees that and, that leads him to get tired of the whole process and, solo.
We may have seen the best running of the tri against a happless Magic squad. That was beautiful and, hopefully Jackson will run that footage on occassion to show this team how effective it can be if they would just run it...
The biggest problem is, don't ask the Lakers to play two games in a row....
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Cool, so LO is held to the same standards as
Smush
Green
Walton
Kwame
DG
Sasha.
It is a team game but more is expected of certain guys. I agree with you though. LO is the same guy as those others so they as a group need to have a closed door meeting and figure out a way to support Kobe in the tri. |
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Do you guys really believe that the Lakers lost that game because of offensive production?
Outrunning teams to the 4th quarter buzzer will not work in the long run. The Lakers are going to have to commit themselves to defending a lot more than they have. LO can average 25pts a game but, if this defense continues to allow low scoring teams like the Blazers to overwhelm them it is over... We are the Mavericks of yesteryear...
The Spurs have a record that dwarfs the Lakers and there highest ppg man Tony Parker scores 19.3 a game followed by Tim Duncan at 19.1
Mano comes in at 15...
So, you can ask more of Odom since he is the man with the "hate light" shining on him everyday, but then ask yourself how tough this team would be scoring as many points as they do if they actually made it difficult for other teams to score. The Lakers whether Odom just says (bleep) it and, starts going for broke for the scoring or continues to look for his teammates is not going to matter either way if all the Lakers are doing is trying to beat other teams to the 4th quarter buzzer by trying to outlast them...
The Lakers could have won last night had they just muscled up and made maybe just 2 stops! They just couldn't do it. Just couldn't do it...
I see that as more of an issue than the tired crying of how many points Lamar Odom put up. You guys say that even when the Lakers put up a 100+ yet you just can't imagine how much easier it would be if they could just slow down another teams offense a little... We have cheese fellas! Swiss to be exact!
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