The Lakers Built Around Shaq; How Would You Rebuild Around Kobe?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: The Lakers Built Around Shaq; How Would You Rebuild Around Kobe?

I don't have the rosters in front of me, but it seems like during the championship run, all the draft picks and acquisitions were based on who would fit in around Shaq. Drafting a spot up outside shooter like Kareem Rush, for example. Same with Brian Cook and Sasha. Luke Walton they picked as a possible heady ballplayer who could learn the Triangle and feed the ball into Shaq.

On top of that, they depended on unathletic but cagey veterans like Brian Shaw, Ron Harper, Robert Horry, Rick Fox, and Derek Fisher to play smart basketball around Shaq, and then depend on Kobe when they needed someone who could create offense when the Triangle bogged down. They all got old or retired at the same time.

The Lakers have yet to build their roster around Kobe. Last year's team wasn't built around Kobe -- not when you have a shoot-first point guard like Chucky Atkins, a shoot-first forward like Slava, a gimp like Brian Grant, along with spot up shooters like Jumaine Jones, Caron Butler and Devean George, who couldn't handle the ball. This year’s roster seems a little better, until you realize that neither Mihm or Kwame have good hands, Smush and Sasha are barely adequate, and Lamar Odom, who should be a good fit, has a lot of mental lapses despite his potential.

Now the Lakers have two problems, as I see it. Since Phil is the coach, they have to get a team smart enough to run the Triangle, and at the same time rebuild the team with players who are perfect complements to Kobe's ability.

Kobe recently said that he and Phil look at the challenge differently than most fans and media who assume the Lakers need to add several more pieces. Kobe thinks they are just a couple of players away from being a threat night-in and night-out. I agree with him. As up-and-down and inconsistent as this team is, they're still only losing by six points or less every night.

When I watched Portland break the Laker press with ease last night, I realized that Blake and Dixon both learned how to do that in college. They actually had a few fundamentals. It was interesting to see Ronny Turiaf move to the right places, hit a mid-range jumper and kind of fit in with limited minutes.

I think the Lakers need players with high basketball IQs, who would be comfortable in a passing offense and yet have the athleticism and game to hit mid-range jumpers, wide open set shots. I was initially down on Boozer, but after playing for Coach K at Duke maybe he knows his fundamentals. But there must be a few solid NBA-caliber players out there who would fit in well both with the Triangle and with Kobe.

Would any of them be attainable?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:35 pm    Post subject:

Mike James
Kobe
Rashard
Boozer
Mihm
In real life this seems doable in the offseason
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:35 pm    Post subject:

chris bosh would perfectly fit... gerald wallace, kirk hinrich, iguodala... but it's not easy to get them... two years ago chris duhon, nocioni, raja bell were available... sharunas jasikievicius would be the perfect playmaker... also brent barry... danny granger... but to get them you need a good gm, so we are in deep trouble, because in these years we always chosed the softest players...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:40 pm    Post subject:

To make it equal, Kobe would have a top bigman on his team.

Either Tim Duncan or Amare Stoudamire (pre-injury)

That's what Shaq had with Kobe (best or atleast top 3 player in the NBA)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:45 pm    Post subject:

I think Phil and Kobe had KG and Nash in mind. Or maybe Duncan and Parker. Shaq and Wade? Billups and Wallace?

We're 2 all-stars/HOFs away - but then again, isn't almost every team?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:45 pm    Post subject:

KG...plain and simple
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:48 pm    Post subject:

raffi wrote:
I think Phil and Kobe had KG and Nash in mind. Or maybe Duncan and Parker. Shaq and Wade? Billups and Wallace?

We're 2 all-stars/HOFs away - but then again, isn't almost every team?

No.

Pieces aren't guys like that.

Kobe and Phil said piece or pieces.

Basically, if you look at the positions - PF and PG.

Boozer and Watson/Duhon type of additions.

Whether the Lakers go for that or even are able to trade for that is another story.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:51 pm    Post subject:

I would add "Will to win" or "Hates to lose worse than death itself" as a helpful character trait to anybody they acquire.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:57 pm    Post subject:

What Kobe needs is long, athletic players who can defend and are a fit in the triangle. Kobe seems like he was created to run in this offense because it makes him a very effective player. The major piece he needs right now perhaps is a 2nd scoring option who can defend well. The other players can be role players who play with heart, defend, and are triangle compatable.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:57 pm    Post subject:

I think an Ideal team around Kobe would be something like:


Center - Chris Mihm
Hes doing his thing right isnt he?

Power Forward - Lamar Odom
Yes. Let him be a post player instead of the initiator

Small Forward - Caron Butler
Kobe's running mate, good 2nd scorer.

Shooting Guard - Kobe.

Point Guard - Andre Miller
Let him drive the offense, can defend too.


Bench:

G: Eddie House - 3 bomber/defender
G: Leandro Barbosa - 3 bomber/defender
G/F: Deven George - Kobe's buddy, good defender.
F: Ronny Turiaf - Hustle, enforcer.
F: Anderson Varejao - Hustle guy, enforcer style.
F/C: Nene - Good offensive F/C can play perimeter D.
C: Andrew Bynum - The Center of the future.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:58 pm    Post subject:

wolfpaclaker wrote:
raffi wrote:
I think Phil and Kobe had KG and Nash in mind. Or maybe Duncan and Parker. Shaq and Wade? Billups and Wallace?

We're 2 all-stars/HOFs away - but then again, isn't almost every team?

No.

Pieces aren't guys like that.

Kobe and Phil said piece or pieces.

Basically, if you look at the positions - PF and PG.

Boozer and Watson/Duhon type of additions.

Whether the Lakers go for that or even are able to trade for that is another story.


I know Wolf - just being sarcastic.

I don't think we're 1 or 2 players away - at least not ones we can attract with our laughable trade pieces or 1 yr MLE. Plus, we have zero depth on this team.

The best (only?) opportunity to build around Kobe was when we traded Shaq - but we already know how that turned out. At least we have the 26th pick in this year's draft
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:02 pm    Post subject:

Zhengi wrote:
What Kobe needs is long, athletic players who can defend and are a fit in the triangle. Kobe seems like he was created to run in this offense because it makes him a very effective player. The major piece he needs right now perhaps is a 2nd scoring option who can defend well. The other players can be role players who play with heart, defend, and are triangle compatable.


right- 2-way players are the key
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:02 pm    Post subject:

AirKobe8 wrote:
I think an Ideal team around Kobe would be something like:


Center - Chris Mihm
Hes doing his thing right isnt he?

Power Forward - Lamar Odom
Yes. Let him be a post player instead of the initiator

Small Forward - Caron Butler
Kobe's running mate, good 2nd scorer.


Shooting Guard - Kobe.

Point Guard - Andre Miller
Let him drive the offense, can defend too.


Bench:

G: Eddie House - 3 bomber/defender
G: Leandro Barbosa - 3 bomber/defender
G/F: Deven George - Kobe's buddy, good defender.
F: Ronny Turiaf - Hustle, enforcer.
F: Anderson Varejao - Hustle guy, enforcer style.
F/C: Nene - Good offensive F/C can play perimeter D.
C: Andrew Bynum - The Center of the future.


Talk about a low blow
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject:

While it's not a perfect comparison, I'd say something similar to the strategy Philly took to building around Iverson back when they were in the finals.

Blue-collar guys that play outstanding defense, rebound and do the dirty work. Those guys werent' successful though because they didn't have a good second scoring option to pair with Iverson and no defensive presence in the paint.

A guy like Kenny Thomas on Sac who may be a bit undersized but is a boarding maniac who will throw some elbows and play hard underneath would be perfect. He can also step out and hit the 12 footer. Of course a guy like Bosh or Garnett would be even better, but I'm trying to be realistic about the PF position. A guy like Mihm would also be fine in the middle, but an upgrade might be a guy like Dalembert or Okafor who can block more shots and be a big rebounder and intimidator would be even better. Someone like Antonio Davis off the bench as a tough guy who can defend a big body would be good too.

A guy like Odom is a fine 3rd option, but I wouldn't mind also going with someone like Josh Howard who can play harder D and take more of the offensive pressure off Kobe at the SF.

In the backcourt a Jason Terry type high percentage shooter who can nail the 3 and has a decent handle. I'd love to have a lock down type of defender off the bench like Watson.

Except for Terry, none of these guys is a great scorer, but they all play well within a team concept, can play off the ball and will do the dirty work and play D.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:04 pm    Post subject:

Breven Knight (don't know contract situation) quick enough to stop penetration. I don't care if he's too short to be a triangle offense.

Spreewell (free agent)

Kobe -most shooting guards in the league suck, kobe needs to shut down all small forwards, he has enough energy to do that and still score 30

KG (trade for odom and bynum)

Ben Wallace. (free agent)


Then off the bench
Smush
Barry (free agent)
D-george
Turiaf
Mihm
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:16 pm    Post subject:

The first thing I would do is trade Mihm and the players needed for Boozer which is possible. I would then trade Odom for Rashard Lewis. This gives you plenty of scoring and the right type of scoring. You have a low post player in Boozer to compliment Kobe's perimeter game and an outside sharpshooter to compliment Kobe's slash and kickout game. Neither are great defenders, but they are better than the players that currently inhabit their position and the fluidity of the offense would help our defense. Kwame plays center and sign Marcus Banks with the MLE.

Kwame/Bynum
Boozer/Turiaf
Lewis/Penny (LLE)
Kobe/Penny
Banks/Smush
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:41 pm    Post subject:

Warriors!!

Kobe needs players who share his passion and "warrior" mentality.
Players that just flat-out "bring it."
Players that aren't afraid to play defense with passion and energy.
Players that are smart, savvy and tough-minded.

You get a roster full of guys like that around Kobe and it'd be scary.

And it's not like there's not many of them around the NBA. I've compiled a long list of players that I'd love to surround Kobe with.

Yes, there are some big stars on my list, but for the most part, it's just a list of talented, hard-working role players. Some skill players too.

Catz like:

Mike James
Ruben Patterson
Ronny!!
Marcus Banks
Raja Bell
Quinton Ross
James Singleton
Justin Reed
Bruce Bowen
Brevin Knight
Matt Harpring
Gerald Wallace
Ben Wallace
Mark Madsen
Ron Artest
Matt Barnes
Daniel Ewing
Eddie Basden
Brandon Bass
Jackson Vroman
Greg Buckner
Erick Strickland
Brian Cardinal
Matt Carroll
Jason Hart
Jeff Foster
Dwight Howard
Josh Howard
Grant Hill
Kirk Hinrich
Speedy
Antonio Davis
Luol Deng
Laron Profit
Ike Diogu
Chris Duhon
Maurice Evans
Shane Battier
Elton Brand
Ray Felton
Derek Fisher
Adrian Griffin
Bo Outlaw
Zaza Pachilia
Richie Frahm (is he still in the L?)
Ryan Gomes
Joey Grahm
Orien Greene
Devin Harris
Ronald Dupree
Trenton Hassell
Luther Head
Alan Henderson
Eddie House
Morris Peterson
Lawrence Roberts
Malik Rose
Michael Ruffin
Etan Thomas
Mickael Pietrus
Scot Pollard
James Posey
Charlie Bell
Tayshaun Prince
Danny Granger
Josh Howard
Royal Ivey
Jerrett Jack
B-Jax
Marc Jackson
Sarunas Jasikevicius
Richard Jefferson
Shawn Marion
Nazr Mohammed
Mikki Moore
Zo
Eduardo Najera
Ryan Bowen
Keith Bogans (we should have tried to trade for him, IMO)
Matt Bonner
Jameer Nelson
Kenyon Martin
Jason Maxiel
Desmond Mason
Linton Johnson
Anthony Johnson
Zeijko Rebraca
Bobby Simmons
Eric Snow
Dahntay Jones
Chris Kaman
Mario Kasun
Chris Mihm
AK-47
Linas Kleiza
Maciej Lampe
Jake Voskuhl
Earl Watson
Damien Wilkins
Aaron Williams
Pope Sow
Awvee Storey
Amare Stoudamire
Eric Williams
Darko Millicic
Mike Miller
Udonis Haslem
Chuck Hayes
Nene
Ira Newble
Emeka Okafor
Kevin Ollie
Eddie Jones
Jumaine Jones
Caron Butler
Theo Ratliff
Francisco Garcia
Kenny Thomas
Brian Skinner
Darius Songalia
Bob Sura
Kurt Thomas
Jacque Vaughn
Mo Williams

Give me a squad built with only those players and put them around Kobe, and win or lose, that team would flat-out BRING IT every game. I'd be very happy, as a Lakers fan. That team would COMPETE!!

If I'm Phil, I give that list to Mitch and the Buss's and I say, "Go get me as many of those players as you can."
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:48 pm    Post subject:

this is the only reason i want too buy an nba game for my xbox360, so i can atleast build a team around my lakers and not fell sadend when i think of the puke surrounding kobe..
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:50 pm    Post subject:

Not Lamar Odom.

Mihm/Bynum/Kwame
Cook/Turiaf/Kwame
Not Lamar Odom/George
Kobe/Sasha/
Not Smush Paker/Sasha

So we just have to replace Odom and Smush in the offseason...seems do-able... saw we SEND EM BOTH BACK TO QUEENS NY WHERE THEY BELONG!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject:

B_P wrote:
Warriors!!

Kobe needs players who share his passion and "warrior" mentality.
Players that just flat-out "bring it."
Players that aren't afraid to play defense with passion and energy.
Players that are smart, savvy and tough-minded.

You get a roster full of guys like that around Kobe and it'd be scary.

And it's not like there's not many of them around the NBA. I've compiled a long list of players that I'd love to surround Kobe with.

Yes, there are some big stars on my list, but for the most part, it's just a list of talented, hard-working role players. Some skill players too.

Catz like:

Mike James
Ruben Patterson
Ronny!!
Marcus Banks
Raja Bell
Quinton Ross
James Singleton
Justin Reed
Bruce Bowen
Brevin Knight
Matt Harpring
Gerald Wallace
Ben Wallace
Mark Madsen
Ron Artest
Matt Barnes
Daniel Ewing
Eddie Basden
Brandon Bass
Jackson Vroman
Greg Buckner
Erick Strickland
Brian Cardinal
Matt Carroll
Jason Hart
Jeff Foster
Dwight Howard
Josh Howard
Grant Hill
Kirk Hinrich
Speedy
Antonio Davis
Luol Deng
Laron Profit
Ike Diogu
Chris Duhon
Maurice Evans
Shane Battier
Elton Brand
Ray Felton
Derek Fisher
Adrian Griffin
Bo Outlaw
Zaza Pachilia
Richie Frahm (is he still in the L?)
Ryan Gomes
Joey Grahm
Orien Greene
Devin Harris
Ronald Dupree
Trenton Hassell
Luther Head
Alan Henderson
Eddie House
Morris Peterson
Lawrence Roberts
Malik Rose
Michael Ruffin
Etan Thomas
Mickael Pietrus
Scot Pollard
James Posey
Charlie Bell
Tayshaun Prince
Danny Granger
Josh Howard
Royal Ivey
Jerrett Jack
B-Jax
Marc Jackson
Sarunas Jasikevicius
Richard Jefferson
Shawn Marion
Nazr Mohammed
Mikki Moore
Zo
Eduardo Najera
Ryan Bowen
Keith Bogans (we should have tried to trade for him, IMO)
Matt Bonner
Jameer Nelson
Kenyon Martin
Jason Maxiel
Desmond Mason
Linton Johnson
Anthony Johnson
Zeijko Rebraca
Bobby Simmons
Eric Snow
Dahntay Jones
Chris Kaman
Mario Kasun
Chris Mihm
AK-47
Linas Kleiza
Maciej Lampe
Jake Voskuhl
Earl Watson
Damien Wilkins
Aaron Williams
Pope Sow
Awvee Storey
Amare Stoudamire
Eric Williams
Darko Millicic
Mike Miller
Udonis Haslem
Chuck Hayes
Nene
Ira Newble
Emeka Okafor
Kevin Ollie
Eddie Jones
Jumaine Jones
Caron Butler
Theo Ratliff
Francisco Garcia
Kenny Thomas
Brian Skinner
Darius Songalia
Bob Sura
Kurt Thomas
Jacque Vaughn
Mo Williams

Give me a squad built with only those players and put them around Kobe, and win or lose, that team would flat-out BRING IT every game. I'd be very happy, as a Lakers fan. That team would COMPETE!!

If I'm Phil, I give that list to Mitch and the Buss's and I say, "Go get me as many of those players as you can."


The length of this alone makes me depressed let alone the content within it.

Damn you Mitch Kupchak, damn you...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:55 pm    Post subject:

I would cut our starting lineup except kobe and take all their money and ask kobe if i can clone him 4 times.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:59 pm    Post subject:

it will never happen but every day i pray shawn marion will somehow just wind up on the lakers.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject:

Marcus Banks
Kobe
Prince
Kirilenko
Ben Wallace

Tis' all about the defense brah!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject:

B_P wrote:
Warriors!!

Kobe needs players who share his passion and "warrior" mentality.
Players that just flat-out "bring it."
Players that aren't afraid to play defense with passion and energy.
Players that are smart, savvy and tough-minded.

You get a roster full of guys like that around Kobe and it'd be scary.

And it's not like there's not many of them around the NBA. I've compiled a long list of players that I'd love to surround Kobe with.

Yes, there are some big stars on my list, but for the most part, it's just a list of talented, hard-working role players. Some skill players too.

Catz like:

Mike James
Ruben Patterson
Ronny!!
Marcus Banks
Raja Bell
Quinton Ross
James Singleton
Justin Reed
Bruce Bowen
Brevin Knight
Matt Harpring
Gerald Wallace
Ben Wallace
Mark Madsen
Ron Artest
Matt Barnes
Daniel Ewing
Eddie Basden
Brandon Bass
Jackson Vroman
Greg Buckner
Erick Strickland
Brian Cardinal
Matt Carroll
Jason Hart
Jeff Foster
Dwight Howard
Josh Howard
Grant Hill
Kirk Hinrich
Speedy
Antonio Davis
Luol Deng
Laron Profit
Ike Diogu
Chris Duhon
Maurice Evans
Shane Battier
Elton Brand
Ray Felton
Derek Fisher
Adrian Griffin
Bo Outlaw
Zaza Pachilia
Richie Frahm (is he still in the L?)
Ryan Gomes
Joey Grahm
Orien Greene
Devin Harris
Ronald Dupree
Trenton Hassell
Luther Head
Alan Henderson
Eddie House
Morris Peterson
Lawrence Roberts
Malik Rose
Michael Ruffin
Etan Thomas
Mickael Pietrus
Scot Pollard
James Posey
Charlie Bell
Tayshaun Prince
Danny Granger
Josh Howard
Royal Ivey
Jerrett Jack
B-Jax
Marc Jackson
Sarunas Jasikevicius
Richard Jefferson
Shawn Marion
Nazr Mohammed
Mikki Moore
Zo
Eduardo Najera
Ryan Bowen
Keith Bogans (we should have tried to trade for him, IMO)
Matt Bonner
Jameer Nelson
Kenyon Martin
Jason Maxiel
Desmond Mason
Linton Johnson
Anthony Johnson
Zeijko Rebraca
Bobby Simmons
Eric Snow
Dahntay Jones
Chris Kaman
Mario Kasun
Chris Mihm
AK-47
Linas Kleiza
Maciej Lampe
Jake Voskuhl
Earl Watson
Damien Wilkins
Aaron Williams
Pope Sow
Awvee Storey
Amare Stoudamire
Eric Williams
Darko Millicic
Mike Miller
Udonis Haslem
Chuck Hayes
Nene
Ira Newble
Emeka Okafor
Kevin Ollie
Eddie Jones
Jumaine Jones
Caron Butler
Theo Ratliff
Francisco Garcia
Kenny Thomas
Brian Skinner
Darius Songalia
Bob Sura
Kurt Thomas
Jacque Vaughn
Mo Williams

Give me a squad built with only those players and put them around Kobe, and win or lose, that team would flat-out BRING IT every game. I'd be very happy, as a Lakers fan. That team would COMPETE!!

If I'm Phil, I give that list to Mitch and the Buss's and I say, "Go get me as many of those players as you can."


The encouraging thing about that list is that any 3-4 of them would be better than what's on the Laker roster now. I don't think it's out of the question that the Lakers would be able to get a couple of those guys.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject:

B_P wrote:
Warriors!!

Kobe needs players who share his passion and "warrior" mentality.
Players that just flat-out "bring it."
Players that aren't afraid to play defense with passion and energy.
Players that are smart, savvy and tough-minded.

You get a roster full of guys like that around Kobe and it'd be scary.

And it's not like there's not many of them around the NBA. I've compiled a long list of players that I'd love to surround Kobe with.

Yes, there are some big stars on my list, but for the most part, it's just a list of talented, hard-working role players. Some skill players too.

Catz like:

Mike James
Ruben Patterson
Ronny!!
Marcus Banks
Raja Bell
Quinton Ross
James Singleton
Justin Reed
Bruce Bowen
Brevin Knight
Matt Harpring
Gerald Wallace
Ben Wallace
Mark Madsen
Ron Artest
Matt Barnes
Daniel Ewing
Eddie Basden
Brandon Bass
Jackson Vroman
Greg Buckner
Erick Strickland
Brian Cardinal
Matt Carroll
Jason Hart
Jeff Foster
Dwight Howard
Josh Howard
Grant Hill
Kirk Hinrich
Speedy
Antonio Davis
Luol Deng
Laron Profit
Ike Diogu
Chris Duhon
Maurice Evans
Shane Battier
Elton Brand
Ray Felton
Derek Fisher
Adrian Griffin
Bo Outlaw
Zaza Pachilia
Richie Frahm (is he still in the L?)
Ryan Gomes
Joey Grahm
Orien Greene
Devin Harris
Ronald Dupree
Trenton Hassell
Luther Head
Alan Henderson
Eddie House
Morris Peterson
Lawrence Roberts
Malik Rose
Michael Ruffin
Etan Thomas
Mickael Pietrus
Scot Pollard
James Posey
Charlie Bell
Tayshaun Prince
Danny Granger
Josh Howard
Royal Ivey
Jerrett Jack
B-Jax
Marc Jackson
Sarunas Jasikevicius
Richard Jefferson
Shawn Marion
Nazr Mohammed
Mikki Moore
Zo
Eduardo Najera
Ryan Bowen
Keith Bogans (we should have tried to trade for him, IMO)
Matt Bonner
Jameer Nelson
Kenyon Martin
Jason Maxiel
Desmond Mason
Linton Johnson
Anthony Johnson
Zeijko Rebraca
Bobby Simmons
Eric Snow
Dahntay Jones
Chris Kaman
Mario Kasun
Chris Mihm
AK-47
Linas Kleiza
Maciej Lampe
Jake Voskuhl
Earl Watson
Damien Wilkins
Aaron Williams
Pope Sow
Awvee Storey
Amare Stoudamire
Eric Williams
Darko Millicic
Mike Miller
Udonis Haslem
Chuck Hayes
Nene
Ira Newble
Emeka Okafor
Kevin Ollie
Eddie Jones
Jumaine Jones
Caron Butler
Theo Ratliff
Francisco Garcia
Kenny Thomas
Brian Skinner
Darius Songalia
Bob Sura
Kurt Thomas
Jacque Vaughn
Mo Williams

Give me a squad built with only those players and put them around Kobe, and win or lose, that team would flat-out BRING IT every game. I'd be very happy, as a Lakers fan. That team would COMPETE!!

If I'm Phil, I give that list to Mitch and the Buss's and I say, "Go get me as many of those players as you can."

What a giant list...if we had some of those guys we would be much much better.
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