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Trey
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 Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:55 pm Post subject: Should Kwame be sent to the NBDL |
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Seriously...
The man is underachieving..
Send him down there and tell him he can stay there until he starts catching the ball and remembering where the hoop is..
**He also does not listen to Kareem ... Something needs to be done about him... He is seriously hurting our season... |
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trmiv
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He can't be sent to the NBDL, he's not eligible
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Trey
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| trmiv wrote: | | He can't be sent to the NBDL |
Why not? |
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ocho
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the development league is for players who have a chance of developing.
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I think you need to have less than 3 years service in the league. And what Da Ocho said  |
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PrplReign
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Trey wrote: | | trmiv wrote: | | He can't be sent to the NBDL |
Why not? |
Players may only be sent down during their first two years in the league. NBDL isn't going to help Kwame, coaching is. I do not believe that he will ever be an offensive force, but I do believe that he can be a Wallace type player. He is still only 23 years old. I let the contract run its course and make determinations at that time, if i am FO.
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Trey
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| PrplReign wrote: | | Trey wrote: | | trmiv wrote: | | He can't be sent to the NBDL |
Why not? |
Players may only be sent down during their first two years in the league. NBDL isn't going to help Kwame, coaching is. I do not believe that he will ever be an offensive force, but I do believe that he can be a Wallace type player. He is still only 23 years old. I let the contract run its course and make determinations at that time, if i am FO. |
Thank you for the explanation...  |
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TIMMM
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| da ocho wrote: | | the development league is for players who have a chance of developing. |
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Socks
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| PrplReign wrote: | | Trey wrote: | | trmiv wrote: | | He can't be sent to the NBDL |
Why not? |
Players may only be sent down during their first two years in the league. NBDL isn't going to help Kwame, coaching is. I do not believe that he will ever be an offensive force, but I do believe that he can be a Wallace type player. He is still only 23 years old. I let the contract run its course and make determinations at that time, if i am FO. |
Purple - I agree from a physical tools standpoint, but I just don't think he's hungry enough and doesn't have the psyche to be a Wallace type player. Kwame's been coddled and told he's great all the way through highschool until Jordan kicked his butt and destroyed him. He's never really had to work, he's been given a lot - including his current $8M contract. Wallace has had to fight for everything he's been given, which is how he developed his current nature. Kwame can't learn that nature overnight and doesn't really have an incentive to anymore. |
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http://www.jockbio.com/Bios/Wallace/Wallace_bio.html
The skill that turned it all around for Ben was his proficiency as a haircutter. He learned by clipping the ‘do’s of his brothers and sisters, and eventually was good enough to charge $3 a cut to people in the neighborhood. The summer after his sophomore year, Ben saved up enough haircut money to attend a basketball camp in York, Alabama, run by Charles Oakley of the New York Knicks.
Ben was clowning around with his friends when Oakley called him onto the court for a little one-on-one. Certain the teenager wasn’t taking the game seriously enough, the NBA star started hammering Ben on offense and defense, hoping to show him that hoops was a no-nonsense business. To Oakley's amazement, and then his delight, the kid bodied him back every time. Ben’s brother James (who today is probably the world’s tallest preacher) was in the stands ready to step in if things got out of hand, but he could see his little brother was enjoying himself.
Oak split Ben’s lip, Ben bloodied Oak’s nose, Oak bloodied Ben’s nose, and so on and so forth. Later, Oakley explained to Ben that the skills he just displayed might get him to the NBA. Forget about all the Magic Johnson stuff—Ben was a bruiser, and the minute he accepted that fact he could begin thinking about a pro career. Oakley decided to keep tabs on Ben from that point on. |
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PrplReign
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Socks wrote: | | PrplReign wrote: | | Trey wrote: | | trmiv wrote: | | He can't be sent to the NBDL |
Why not? |
Players may only be sent down during their first two years in the league. NBDL isn't going to help Kwame, coaching is. I do not believe that he will ever be an offensive force, but I do believe that he can be a Wallace type player. He is still only 23 years old. I let the contract run its course and make determinations at that time, if i am FO. |
Purple - I agree from a physical tools standpoint, but I just don't think he's hungry enough and doesn't have the psyche to be a Wallace type player. Kwame's been coddled and told he's great all the way through highschool until Jordan kicked his butt and destroyed him. He's never really had to work, he's been given a lot - including his current $8M contract. Wallace has had to fight for everything he's been given, which is how he developed his current nature. Kwame can't learn that nature overnight and doesn't really have an incentive to anymore. |
Touche, but I see Kwame as a prideful man and believe he wants to become a force in this league. The problem lies in the fact that he really knows so little about the fundamentals of the team game. He is spectacular in one on one defensive assignments against post players. This season alone he has given KG, Shaq, Z, and Gasol fits. He is even pretty good at flashing out on the pick and roll with switchback times that are very rapid. He does not understand, however, that he should not be trying to help Smush by racing out to defend Smush's guy at the 3 point line while Smush is gambling for steals. I believe he can become a player and I believe that is what he wants. It is simply going to take time.
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His potential is 9pts 8rb and 1.5blks, and he could reach it if he gives 100% and masters defensive and rebouding fundamentals,
But he'll probalby spend the summer playing video games and practicing shooting turn around jumpers and dunks that he never slows himself down enough to do in games and come back next season maybe, maybe averaging 5pt 5rbs a game.....WTF?
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| No. Remember, it's a 2 year project. |
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lakers0505
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| thumpinghead wrote: | His potential is 9pts 8rb and 1.5blks, and he could reach it if he gives 100% and masters defensive and rebouding fundamentals,
But he'll probalby spend the summer playing video games and practicing shooting turn around jumpers and dunks that he never slows himself down enough to do in games and come back next season maybe, maybe averaging 5pt 5rbs a game.....WTF? |
His potential is incredible more than that, the kid average 11/7/1 @ 48% + shooting his 3rd year in the league @ 21. But for some reason, he simply lost it after that solid year, an imjury hampered him last year and im assuming the triangle is giving him fits , as well as the pressure of playing in california, on a marquee team like the lakers. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Trey wrote: | | trmiv wrote: | | He can't be sent to the NBDL |
Why not? |
A "franchise player" poster has to ask these most basic of questions?
Kinda like making a layup in the post? |
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sodapoppenski
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Kwame is not gonna be another Ben Wallace.
Not even the two-years-ago all-defense Ben Wallace.
His work ethic isn't terrible, but it's also not that good.
Small hands are a half-assed excuse.
My sister catches a basketball better than Kwame and she's 5'3" 105lbs.
I tried giving that man the full season but I just can't do it anymore. I was
unhappy when we moved Caron for him, said I doubted he'd turn out, but
that I'd give him time.
I'm freakin' done giving him time.
He's a bust. Kick him to the curb. Move him for whatever we can, cuz
I'm gonna puke on my shoes if we have him as a $8M/year bench-
ornament for the next two years. |
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trmiv
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| sodapoppenski wrote: | Kwame is not gonna be another Ben Wallace.
Not even the two-years-ago all-defense Ben Wallace.
His work ethic isn't terrible, but it's also not that good.
Small hands are a half-assed excuse.
My sister catches a basketball better than Kwame and she's 5'3" 105lbs.
I tried giving that man the full season but I just can't do it anymore. I was
unhappy when we moved Caron for him, said I doubted he'd turn out, but
that I'd give him time.
I'm freakin' done giving him time.
He's a bust. Kick him to the curb. Move him for whatever we can, cuz
I'm gonna puke on my shoes if we have him as a $8M/year bench-
ornament for the next two years. |
This is how I feel too. I was NOT a fan of the trade, and now even more so. I'm tired of him, I'd be happy if he never played another minute as a Laker. |
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Socks
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| sodapoppenski wrote: | Kwame is not gonna be another Ben Wallace.
Not even the two-years-ago all-defense Ben Wallace.
His work ethic isn't terrible, but it's also not that good.
Small hands are a half-assed excuse.
My sister catches a basketball better than Kwame and she's 5'3" 105lbs.
I tried giving that man the full season but I just can't do it anymore. I was
unhappy when we moved Caron for him, said I doubted he'd turn out, but
that I'd give him time.
I'm freakin' done giving him time.
He's a bust. Kick him to the curb. Move him for whatever we can, cuz
I'm gonna puke on my shoes if we have him as a $8M/year bench-
ornament for the next two years. |
I'm with you Soda. Besides lacking desire, I don't see Kwame doing the things necessary to improve. The hands are definitely an excuse. Hands can be developed - Jerry Rice proved this by catching bricks when he was a kid. You also hear the stories about guys like Mikan (I think it was him) working on their hands by catching hundreds of tennis balls each day, working to make their hands better through repetition. While I'd love to see him as another Ben, I just don't think it's in the cards. |
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| I wish we could, just so he could do something consistently. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| da ocho wrote: | | the development league is for players who have a chance of developing. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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I think the only thing that can help Kwame now is many visits to a psychologist. That dude's problem is 100% mental.
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| kwame brown is a fringe NBA player. i am not joking. his salary and the expectations others have for him stem from the fact that for some reason, the stars aligned and he became the number 1 pick in the nba draft. |
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gdballa03
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| Waive his ass to get rid of him NOW...he SUCKS! I don't know what the heck MJ saw in him, what a waste of an NBA body. |
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| Get rid of him whatever it takes. He is taking a spot that someone that may have some upside could be using. (Bynum??) Even Grant last year could catch a ball and box out with bad legs. |
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TLT
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| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="bounty"][quote="da ocho"]the development league is for players who have a chance of developing.
good answer..good answer.. |
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