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Kobe2Clark
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 Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:27 pm Post subject: Questionable strategy again tonight... |
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Lamar on Manu? Kwame out so long to start the 3rd? What is PJ thinking about? 
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laker4life
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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He is playing with players that we have.
Give Phil a break.
Spurs are good. |
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Tony Montana
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| laker4life wrote: | He is playing with players that we have.
Give Phil a break.
Spurs are good. |
I would have rather had Kwame in there than Brian Cook, who was incapable of providing any help on D, and was getting lost on screens, and simply won't contest anything. |
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LakerLanny
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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It is nothing that a heavy dose of Walton and Sasha can't fix!
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uberzev
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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Kwame was fine. Blame Odom for his terrible defense and usual lack of aggressiveness.
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Money$hot!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| The Lakers ran the offense all through the first half. 3rd quarter starts and blammo its Kobe-Hot-Dog-Time... before you know it, the team is out of rhythm on offense and defense and behind by 15. Kobe, this one is on you. |
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PayasoLoco
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Money$hot! wrote: | | The Lakers ran the offense all through the first half. 3rd quarter starts and blammo its Kobe-Hot-Dog-Time... before you know it, the team is out of rhythm on offense and defense and behind by 15. Kobe, this one is on you. |
ya cuz its kobes fault odoms man hit 4 straight 3's :roll: |
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drzucchini
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | Money$hot! wrote: | | The Lakers ran the offense all through the first half. 3rd quarter starts and blammo its Kobe-Hot-Dog-Time... before you know it, the team is out of rhythm on offense and defense and behind by 15. Kobe, this one is on you. |
ya cuz its kobes fault odoms man hit 4 straight 3's :roll: |
There's a fairly new thread that asks what Kobe should add to his arsenal. Here's my suggestion: gain ability to guard two, three, or even four opposing players at the same time. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure Kobe wasn't aggresive in third quarters of a lot of games in February. We consistently got outplayed. That did us a lot of good!  |
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Money$hot!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | Money$hot! wrote: | | The Lakers ran the offense all through the first half. 3rd quarter starts and blammo its Kobe-Hot-Dog-Time... before you know it, the team is out of rhythm on offense and defense and behind by 15. Kobe, this one is on you. |
ya cuz its kobes fault odoms man hit 4 straight 3's :roll: |
The replays on Ginobili's treys points towards Lamar rotating to break up dribble penetration because the team was unable to stop the ball (on 2 of the 4 treys), on the third it was Smush who didnt stop dribble penetration forcing Kobe and Lamar to collapse leaving Ginobili wide open. On the final Gino just hit a straight up trey, couldnt have been defended better.
LA's offense and defense were clicking in the first half due to good ball distribution leading to high percentage inside-out shots. The team played solid defense b/c they were involved. Kobe's hot-dog antics in the third totally broke this up leading to the Spurs stretching to an insumountable lead. Phil can only ask that his best player run the offense. If Kobe choses not to, then we end up with what we got in the second half. An out of rhythm team, and the Kobe Bryant show.
That's exactly what happened. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Luke and Sasha playing at the same time....talk about a death wish. |
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| Money$hot! wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | Money$hot! wrote: | | The Lakers ran the offense all through the first half. 3rd quarter starts and blammo its Kobe-Hot-Dog-Time... before you know it, the team is out of rhythm on offense and defense and behind by 15. Kobe, this one is on you. |
ya cuz its kobes fault odoms man hit 4 straight 3's :roll: |
The replays on Ginobili's treys points towards Lamar rotating to break up dribble penetration because the team was unable to stop the ball (on 2 of the 4 treys), on the third it was Smush who didnt stop dribble penetration forcing Kobe and Lamar to collapse leaving Ginobili wide open. On the final Gino just hit a straight up trey, couldnt have been defended better.
LA's offense and defense were clicking in the first half due to good ball distribution leading to high percentage inside-out shots. The team played solid defense b/c they were involved. Kobe's hot-dog antics in the third totally broke this up leading to the Spurs stretching to an insumountable lead. Phil can only ask that his best player run the offense. If Kobe choses not to, then we end up with what we got in the second half. An out of rhythm team, and the Kobe Bryant show.
That's exactly what happened. |
co sign...
That was pure panic city...
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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why was Cook starting? that killed us early
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| The only thing I really had a problem with was Kobe sitting for like 5 minutes in the 4th quarter. He finished the game with only 41 mins, 4 less that Odom. Kobe should have played nearly every minute of this game. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| We are close to being in the same class as San Antonio and until this team gets players who can stop dribble penetration, the lakers will struggle as always. |
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This is exactly what happens almost everytime we play the Spurs in the recent years.
Kobe takes it upon himself to beat the Spurs and falls into their trap because they would love for Kobe to disrupt the rythm. Kobe was defenitely fouled many times and it wasn't called. But, it's time Kobe realizes that he won't get the calls against Spurs. If Kobe doesn't learn this, one would have to question his motive.
Bad offense led to poor defense in the third. |
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JuiceMonkey
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Money$hot! wrote: | | cKPayasoLoco wrote: | | Money$hot! wrote: | | The Lakers ran the offense all through the first half. 3rd quarter starts and blammo its Kobe-Hot-Dog-Time... before you know it, the team is out of rhythm on offense and defense and behind by 15. Kobe, this one is on you. |
ya cuz its kobes fault odoms man hit 4 straight 3's :roll: |
The replays on Ginobili's treys points towards Lamar rotating to break up dribble penetration because the team was unable to stop the ball (on 2 of the 4 treys), on the third it was Smush who didnt stop dribble penetration forcing Kobe and Lamar to collapse leaving Ginobili wide open. On the final Gino just hit a straight up trey, couldnt have been defended better.
LA's offense and defense were clicking in the first half due to good ball distribution leading to high percentage inside-out shots. The team played solid defense b/c they were involved. Kobe's hot-dog antics in the third totally broke this up leading to the Spurs stretching to an insumountable lead. Phil can only ask that his best player run the offense. If Kobe choses not to, then we end up with what we got in the second half. An out of rhythm team, and the Kobe Bryant show.
That's exactly what happened. |
not a great night by kobe despite what everyone on this board is going to point out-his 42 points. great finish in the last 5 minutes but game was already basically out of reach. kobe did actually screw up whatever rhythm this team had on offense, which sometimes i dont understand whats going on in his head. the guy is a master of this offense, hes played in it for 6+ years and has played every position in it. teams will key on him when he has the ball at the top of the key and keeps calling for screen/roll, all eyes will be on him. this offense is designed to get kobe to move around without the ball and get him in scoring positions where defenses cant key in on him. i mean, hes going to get the shot either way, whether he forces it up off the pick or whether he gets the ball in the midpost ready to attack. sometimes when the other team gets on a roll, the guy panicks and almost seems like he tries to get all the points back in one possession. so yah he got his points, whatever, stats were nice...i hope kobe can learn something for the spurs who make the extra pass, keep the ball moving and find the best shot.
all of that being said, defense was a problem obviously but i mean the spurs wont shoot this well every night. they have multiple players that can make tough shots but they wont do that well every night from that distance on contested shots. we'll see if they can do it again friday. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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(posted this by mistake in another thread)
Why does PJ wait until 1:48 left in the 4th to call a timeout presumably to address the team's defensive deficiencies? Whatever he told them during earlier stops in play clearly didn't penetrate their cerebral cortex, so why not call Time-outs and make adjustments? You'd think that after the Ginobili blitz in the third, the coaching staff could have come up with something. But no. The players kept making the same mistakes. Memo: it's not a good idea to rotate off of Finley -- he's made a handsome living shooting threes his entire career. So why leave him open. If Tony Parker is going to beat you, do your utmost to make him work for it. At least if he scores, the damage comes two points at a time. But if you leave Manu or Barry or Finley open at the arc, you go three down with each jumper.
Why does this team ALWAYS take the inintuitive path?
I thought this game was winnable. The Spurs shot way above their average percentage. A little defense applied intelligently and this is a much closer game.
Does anyone even work with Smush on his defensive technique. Even his stance when guarding Parker was idiotic. He often tried to play him straight up, not shading him either way. That gave Parker all the impetus to run Smush ragged. Shade him in one direction -- at least try to cut his options in half. But laying back on your heels is a recipe for getting taken off the dribble all night long.
Sometimes, it seems the Lakers have absolutely no clue about defense. Are we back to years past when the Lakers didn't even practice defense under Phil?
What is the continuing lack of fundamentals about? They may be in the lower rung of teams when it comes to defensive fundamentals.
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JuiceMonkey
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| rpadma12 wrote: | This is exactly what happens almost everytime we play the Spurs in the recent years.
Kobe takes it upon himself to beat the Spurs and falls into their trap because they would love for Kobe to disrupt the rythm. Kobe was defenitely fouled many times and it wasn't called. But, it's time Kobe realizes that he won't get the calls against Spurs. If Kobe doesn't learn this, one would have to question his motive.
Bad offense led to poor defense in the third. |
excellent, another person that gets this...kobe playing that way plays exactly into what the spurs want him to do. its something i put in that thread "matchup with the spurs" when i said kobe needs to stay within himself and within the offense and not get into a personal battle. the spurs just seem to have gotten into his head or something. so waht if fouls werent called, spurs didnt get many calls either, the guy needs to adjust and tonite he kept forcing it while the lead kept growing. and the spectacular heroics were useless tonite because it was too late. |
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Kobe2Clark
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Rhythm my ass. How do you criticize 42 pts on 55%? The other players need to step the fukk up...
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe2Lamar wrote: | | Rhythm my ass. How do you criticize 42 pts on 55%? The other players need to step the fukk up... |
It's easy to look at the stats and figure the problem was someplace else, but 42 points wouldnt have been neccesary if the offense/defense had kept flowing (like in the first half). Some people can see it, some can only see Kobe's spectacular plays. |
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drzucchini
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| rpadma12 wrote: | | Bad offense led to poor defense in the third. |
Bad offense and bad defense shouldn't go hand-in-hand. Look at the Pistons of the previous years: piss-poor offense, good defense.
If the role players didn't play top-notch defense because they didn't get their shots in the offense, then I guess they didn't get the memo about how they are role players. They're the supporting cast. They're the Bryantaires. They need to get used to doing whatever is asked of them. If that means getting zero shots and playing hard-nosed defense, then they need to accept that. They can start calling the shots when they become bonafide superstars. |
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JuiceMonkey
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| Kobe2Lamar wrote: | | Rhythm my ass. How do you criticize 42 pts on 55%? The other players need to step the fukk up... |
ok once again, 42 points...that is what a lot of people are going to point to...but it was like he got a lot of them at the expense of the team. if u are the spurs, u love the way the breakdown of this game went.
kobe 42 points, lamar 13, nobody else in double figures
kobe:32 shots, NOBODY else took more than 8
spurs scored like 6 straight, kobe scrapped the offense in favor of his own screen/roll where he forced up about 4 consecutive poor shots that all missed and the lead just kept growing. thats just him being impatient, not trusting the offense and trying to do too much too soon. phil had to yell at him to set up, it could be heard from television. spurs are in his head or something, he plays like this especially against the spurs, he played like this in the first game where he was absolutely horrible and took bad shots that took a very close game and put it away.
all this kobe stuff being said, once again defense was a problem and the spurs are just a better team. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Kobe2Lamar wrote: | | Rhythm my ass. How do you criticize 42 pts on 55%? The other players need to step the fukk up... |
during gino's little tear in the third, Kobe forced serveral shots in a row and missed every single one. It wasn't like they were good shots either, just bad shots.
That spoiled our offensive rhythm, but imo that's still not an excuse for defensive break downs. Kobe deserves the blame but not all of it :\ |
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Sister Golden Hair
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| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| tenguygrst wrote: | | rpadma12 wrote: | This is exactly what happens almost everytime we play the Spurs in the recent years.
Kobe takes it upon himself to beat the Spurs and falls into their trap because they would love for Kobe to disrupt the rythm. Kobe was defenitely fouled many times and it wasn't called. But, it's time Kobe realizes that he won't get the calls against Spurs. If Kobe doesn't learn this, one would have to question his motive.
Bad offense led to poor defense in the third. |
excellent, another person that gets this...kobe playing that way plays exactly into what the spurs want him to do. its something i put in that thread "matchup with the spurs" when i said kobe needs to stay within himself and within the offense and not get into a personal battle. the spurs just seem to have gotten into his head or something. so waht if fouls werent called, spurs didnt get many calls either, the guy needs to adjust and tonite he kept forcing it while the lead kept growing. and the spectacular heroics were useless tonite because it was too late. |
Uh, I don't know what game you were watching, but that game was lost completely on the defensive end. Questionable strategy and appalling execution.
You guys focus waaaaay to much on the offense as does Phil apparently, because on defsnse, this team plays like five headless chickens.
Offense was the leats of their problems. Smart defensive play with effort for 48 minutes and usually good thinsg will happen. Offense comes and goes. And when a team is as offensively challeneged as this one is, that will be gtruer than ever. But you simply can't let other team shoot damn near 60% from the arc. That only happens to teams that have no clue about defense.
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