hollinger :It's hard to vote for kobe

nesli · Starting Rotation Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 276

from John Hollinger chat :

Aeneas Hunter · Retired Number Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 31763

No matter how much Hollinger tries to portray himself as the Bill James of the NBA, his agenda always manages to show through the disguise.

ToughKarl · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject:

OK...I thought MVP is about how valuble a player is to his team. What Shaq has to do with it?

Socks · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:14 pm Post subject:

The Kobe/Shaq situation has absolutely no bearing on MVP discussions. I generally am interested in Hollinger's analysis of numbers, but he's clearly biased here.

He should also read "The Show" to see what folks like Tex Winter said about Kobe vs. Shaq.

Supa · Star Player Joined: 08 Dec 2004 Posts: 2210

After he forced out Shaq? That's his reason? That's laughable at best.

This guy is a stat guy and since the stats are probably favor Kobe as a legit candidate, he comes up with that. Silly.

ocho · Retired Number Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 53791

you guys have to understand that this will always follow kobe unless he wins a title without shaq. its not about the validity of the statement. thats what a great many people think about when they think about kobe. most people don't know about contract extensions. most people don't know about the comments shaq made because they were't given the same coverage because shaq was the jewel of LA.

to most uninformed people...the lakers were champions with shaq, and a lottery team without him.

it makes no difference what stupid people think. if kobe wins another title...then the notion will be erased but if he doesn't...its here to stay.
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LakeShow06 · Star Player Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 2176

this guy's agenda is really really transparent.....

what on the blue earth has Kobe v Shaq or the "allegation" that Kobe forced Shaq out of LA got anything to do with Kobe being an MVP candidate 2 seasons later?????????

that guy loses all credibility with a comment like that

CorkyTomjanovich · Star Player Joined: 13 Dec 2004 Posts: 3486

Even if that were true, and its not, what the hell does it have to do with how Kobe is leading and playing for the Lakers this season. I swear this is the biggest clown at BSPN.
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nesli · Starting Rotation Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 276

I took it from www.forumblueandgold.com

Walter Sobchak · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject:

Would people be this mad at Shaq if he'd stayed with the Lakers and Kobe had signed with the Clippers? I'm guessing they'd still take it out on Kobe saying "he wasn't man enough to stay there and figure out how to play with Shaq" or some such nonsense. Don't these people get that Kobe and Shaq did not get along with each other and that it wasn't a one-sided thing? Shaq asked to leave, he wasn't "forced out". What a bunch of nonsense.
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Socks · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject:

Kupchak's Biggest Fan · Sixth Man Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 29

Isn't John Hollinger a porn star?

LakersRGolden · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:31 pm Post subject:

"Pay me Mother F*****"
"If he don't like it, he can opt out"
"The Team's all here"

What's that? Oh yeah, the sound of Kobe forcing Shaq out.

CheetahMan · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject:

John Hollinger is a joke. Even here in Europe we're laughing at him.
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Agar5 · Starting Rotation Joined: 03 Feb 2006 Posts: 146

But it's the media who votes for the MVP award and his views are what other Jack A## think. Even though Kobe is having the best season of anyone in the league he wont sway any votes from Nash or Billups (IMO not an MVP candidate).

I am curious what the MVP totals will be and if Lebron will have more votes than Kobe

re4ee · Franchise Player Joined: 07 Mar 2005 Posts: 12237

DaggerInTheHeart · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject:

BraveHeartII · Star Player Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1848

Kobe shut down the leading runner for MVP while scoring 40+ points, IMO, it's not even close.

lakers2626 · Star Player Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 1948

I stop listening to people who are so negative towards Kobe. I mean if people wonder if media influences the the fans or anything, just bring up Kobe. I mean I laugh at the fact that he's so hated and for no good reason. Do you think Kobe knows that, check out his commercial. I mean the only person that loves this negativity towards him is Kobe. Kobe thrives on this it's fuel to his fire.

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Socks · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject:

It's hard out there for a pimp...

sodapoppenski · Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:36 pm Post subject:

Church!

puajibai · Starting Rotation Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 209

Hollinger is just sour because he loved to use his so-called efficiency rating against kobe and for players like KG and Lebron but now Kobe is no.1 even according to his own measurements and he has no recourse but to conjure up excuses. He needs to just grab his ankles and take it like a man...

ishi331 · Star Player Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 7258

LoL, what a jealous ho. Can't admit Kobe is the best, so has to use excuses from years ago.

Forum Blue · Sixth Man Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 65