Do you want this team to stay together and grow or do you want to see a new look Lakers?

Michlake · Star Player Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 3696

the only players that I would really like to keep are Kobe, Bynum, and Turiaf.

everyone else should be shoped to get better.

odom-bad fit with Kobe, too inconsistant
walton-only thing he can do is pass-horrible defender
cook-can only shoot-horrible defender
smush-might be a good backup-horrible defender
Sasha-one of the worst players in the league
Kwame-nice post defense-nothing else
Mihm-decent player-too soft
George-decent defender-too inconsistant

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LakerJam · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:07 pm Post subject:

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fuserchris · Starting Rotation Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 264

I'd like to see Chauncey billups in a lakers uni, that and an accelerated learning curve from Brown and Bynum.

2006-2007 Starting line

Billups
Bryant
Odom
Brown
Bynum

Lethal

methticaL · Starting Rotation Joined: 23 Dec 2005 Posts: 492

i love this team i want to see them grow together

Omar Little · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject:

DP: Dee Brown (tough pg D and penetration on O)
Re-sign: Deavan George (veteran defensive backup), Laron Profit (defensive backup)

This gives us a bench of:

C: Bynum
PF: Turiaf
SF: George
SG: Profit
PG: Brown

A lot of youth, hustle, and defense here, with a lot of future potential for some to move into the starting lineup down the road.

I like the idea of keeping either Kwame or Mihm at center, and using the other and possibly some combination of smush, sasha, walton, cook, and the MLE to add some help at pf and pg. I would not be averse to moving LO for a big piece (KG etc.), as long as we brought someone in to help with initiating the O. I'm not satisfied completely with LO in that regard, but you wouldn't want to put Kobe back in that role.

In a lot of ways, unless we can land a star, I'd like to see us move to a philosophy along the lines of Philly under Larry Brown, where you had a lot of tough, hustling defenders around one central scorer. Kobe is much better at that than AI, and I think defense is easier to acquire than big-time scorers, salary-wise.
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lakers2626 · Star Player Joined: 27 Feb 2006 Posts: 1948

I like growing as a team, because basically this is everybody's first year in this offense, other than Kobe, DG, and Luke. It's not a system that can be figured out one season. I think when Phil first got here they still didn't know the tirangle well enough but because they were so talented and aggresive they won that year. I think if you can keep Lamar on this team he's going to learn. I would like for them to bring in Pippen as a regular assistant coach. I mean he wants to coach and I can see him being a great predocessor to Phil. If anything he can understand what the players are going through when they are lost and he can help them understand it in a way that they'll understand. B. Shaw is trying to do that now and I think he can use some help, and who better to help than a guy that knows the triangle better then the guy who use to initiate it.

I think once players start getting more comfortable you'll see Kobe's shot selection go down maybe 5-8 shots less because the offense will be balanced more and other guys will get touches when they normally wouldn't.

OdomX2 · Star Player Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 3973

Whichever way wins faster and for the longest time.

bounty · Star Player Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 3946

Rlewis and BOOz seem realistic this off season. 2 young guys that are better than evreyone we have now not named kobe
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LakerJam · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject:

I like Booz, but I think we over-rate Rashard Lewis here. He's a bad rebounder for his size and is just beyond a pathetic defender. Not my top choice at all. At least Booz, while not a great defender, is an inside presence who will score and rebound. Rashard is a one-dimensional guy who only looks to score. Yeah, he'll give you 20 a night, but that's about all you get, and what does he give up to his opponent? There's a reason that team is in the cellar. Also, can someone please tell me how it's possible for a guy whose 6'10" to be out-rebounded by many small guards in this league? That's just flat out being lazy about doing any real dirty work and that's not impressive. I want multi-dimensional guys who do more than just one thing. If we want to build a championship team, we need the core guys to do more than just 1 thing.

I'd take Rashard if all it took was giving up spare parts, but I disagree that he's better than Odom. Just because he scores 6 more points per game, doesn't make his all-around game superior; and I think we put far too much emphasis here on scoring instead of defense and rebounding. Look, I don't mind adding a pure scorer, but for what Rashard is going to command, I'll take a pass on paying a guy near max money just to score. For near max, he dam well better also rebound, defend, block some shots, do SOMETHING else. I mean, does anyone really think that 6 pts. equals or exceeds a player grabbing nearly twice as many rebounds and between 2-3 times as many assists, because that's the difference between Rashard and Odom.

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turbulent · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject:

I have very limited patience. Kobe's in his best years athletically, and needs proven nba players around him. I dont want to see the team
"grow." Or atleast, grow while we wait and wait kobes years. If i had the choice, Id keep bynum,KObe, and Odom as untouchables. Everyone else can waive goodbye. Especially kwame..(i know cheap shot, but hey...i have no love for him)
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superboy · Star Player Joined: 01 Dec 2004 Posts: 3011

Whatever anyone says, I think we're stuck with this, and any major trades we make with any of our existing players will be worse for our team. We don't have anyone outside of Kobe that would be more valuable to another team than the Lakers, so no one will give us anybody of any worth. THis is it, unless we get someone out of free agency.

Take Odom, for example, he's so valuable to us that we would ask someone like KG in return, but that's not going to happen. Sure, another team will trade their borderline star for Odom, but most probably we'll get screwed in the deal worse than the Shaq trade.

There's no trades we can do that will get us to championship level, it's going to be free agency or this. If we trade and it makes us better, but only good enough to make it to the Western COnference FInals, I would still consider it a failure.

I say to the team and coaches: find a way for this core group of people to win a championship. We have a lot of potential and talent, but it's being wasted right now. Odom and Kwame if they stop being mentally stunted have the potential to be unstoppable, and that's all there is to it. It's all mental with those two, there's nothing physical hampering them. SO hir psychologists, ass coaches, anything, and turn these guys into players who perform to their potential. Our problem is mental, we're not going to fix it with trades. SO Phil, do whatever it is that $10 mill is supposed to do.

ishi331 · Star Player Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 7258

I would like to see them add some more key players like a pure scorer or a post player. Otherwise keep this team together and see if they get better.

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boricua · Starting Rotation Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 172

Shoes, I notice that you are a serious Odom fn, but sometimes you just tend to overrate him and that's just not good. I like the guy and I want him to succed as a Laker, but com'on dude, the guy is not even close to what you think of him, for real
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wolfpaclaker · Retired Number Joined: 29 May 2002 Posts: 58336

At this point, I wouldn't break up the Odom-Bryant Lakers unless it had a JO or KG type player coming back in.

Having a double-double guy who facilitates the offense too is a very rare commodity.

You only deal that for an impact bigman or superstar IMO. And ofcourse there are more than 2 big's I rather have (Brand, Gasol etc) but I do have a feeling that KG and JO will be on the market this summer (not saying they get traded for sure, but they will be on the block IMO)

I wouldn't trade Odom for a SF unless it was a SS (James, T-Mac). Not that will happen, but that's what I would deal him for there. The thing with Odom that makes him different from most SF's is that he will move all over place and fill in holes at different positions on offense/defense (like PF or PG for instance). Guys like Shard don't bring that sort of thing. If you get a Shard for Odom - you better hope that the team is set at PF and PG. Then a move like that makes sense.