Wynns Pick for MVP

Panthas · Star Player Joined: 30 Dec 2005 Posts: 1262

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AkG.OwpzJKBIkLYIqhkRsTi8vLYF?slug=cnnsi-stretchrunshowd&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns

Nash odds 3:1
Bryant odds 5:2
Nowitzki odds 5:1
Duncan odds 8:1
Brand odds 10:1
Billups odds 10:1
James odds 15:1
Iverson odds 20:1
Wade odds 30:1

and so on and so forth....Kobe's chances are extremely high compared to all the other canidates!
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ishi331 · Star Player Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 7258

Wooo, Kobe for MVP!

vvbandit · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject:

maybe they know something we dont b/c IMO there are so many media members that absolutely hate kobe that its going to be difficult for him to get it.

The Dagger · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:11 pm Post subject:

They must be presuming the Lakers make the playoffs and maybe gets a high seed.
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jack13 · Star Player Joined: 05 Dec 2005 Posts: 4620

Kobe the MVP
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CrimsonLaker · Star Player Joined: 08 Feb 2006 Posts: 2268

they presume that Billups and Nash spit the vote and Bryant squeaks through.

dwonderful · Star Player Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 1343

GO KOBE!!

they-perch · Star Player Joined: 25 Jun 2005 Posts: 1184

if we finish at the 6th seed i see no reason not to pick kobe for mvp. kobe would either need to finish super strong (like his month in january), or we'd need to finish at least in the 7th or 6th seed.

kobe is the mvp in my opinion regardless. BUT, the media will take any excuse to remove kobe from consideration. in the past it was "he doesnt make his teammates better" theyve realized he does as much as he can, and you cant really make anyone better who is terrible to start with. nash is able to make other players better through his playmaking and the fact that those players complement him well and already had great potential. its easy to make a scorer like eddie house better, or a point forward like diaw better, or a finisher like shawn marion. kobe doesnt have those options.

regardless, they will take kobe out because of this WE DONT HAVE A GOOD RECORD. if we finish at the 6th seed imo that is higher than anyone could have predicted, and NO ONE would have been able to bring his team to that level w/ the supporting cast kobe has.

if kobe is going to get mvp, its because of the record we finish with, his individual performance is already enough. to force the doubters to vote against their natural hater inclination, we need to throw up a good record.

KwamesMyGuy · Star Player Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 3630

Kobes the real mvp nash team is doing just fine without him

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Mike@LG · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject:

Nash.
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Mike@LG · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject:

^It's not even about that. I really hate that argument too. Magic without Kareem with Vlade Divac still put the Lakers in the Finals. Not bad for an MVP right?

Kobe Bryant doesn't maximize the talent of the Laker team in the way that Steve Nash does. Nash is the definition of "making your teammates better." That means a lot of things. Energy. Leadership. In basic basketball principles, it's setting them up for easy shots.

And even with their best bigman out, they are flat out winning. Undersized? Always a shot to win.

Kobe sets the records and is the most skilled player in the league, but you don't have to have a billion skills to be the MVP. You just need to know how to win. Nash has perfected what it is to breakdown a defense with the simplest of plays.
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kqiu2210 · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:17 am Post subject:

isn't 5:2 higher chance than 3:1... shouldn't kobe be placed at the top of the list?

Kobe should be MVP, he is the most VALUABLE player. I'm not diagreeing with you Mike on the fact that Nash makes his entire team better than Kobe to the Lakers. But Kobe goes out and win games for us...Nash writes the blueprints for his team to win. Nash needs pawns who can execute to win, Kobe creates shots for himself and can bring this team right back up e.g. the toronto game, he's just unstoppable.

Mike@LG · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:20 am Post subject:

^Disagree.

The times that Nash probes the defense and makes layups, 15'Js, or 3pt. shots is so underrated.

81 points is great. He's on a record book.

Phoenix's record >>>>>>>>>>>> Laker's record.

Did you forget what Nash was averaging during the playoffs last year? 20-10? Even 30-10?

Hell, the fact that he goes about winning easier than Bryant makes it easier on the team to win more consistently.
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threetimechamps · Starting Rotation Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 240

Kobe is the man dont get me wrong but Nash deserves to get it....Kobe is getting their but come on Boris Diaw is now playing like he could be a future allstar because of Nash.

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Mike@LG · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:28 am Post subject:

Butler. Point is, Nash wins easier than Bryant. Period. Think Nash has Bryant's frontline? Or even an adequate post defender like Kwame?

You're blaming it on the offense. Bryant doesn't even fully maximize it's potential every night.

As for Boris, Nash sets him up to succeed. Christ, they run pick and roll together with Diaw setting picks. How does it work? Diaw is obviously faster than opposing centers and has 1-2 steps on the guy to create a passing lane. If a defense is even quick enough to react and rotate, Boris has always had the court vision to dish to the open man. Run that 10 times a game. That's half his stats. That's what Phoenix prides itself on. Pick and roll. Everyone else at the 3pt. line. The only time there's real variety is when Stoudemire comes back. Stoudemire in the high post. Isolate.
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lakers0505 · Franchise Player Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 10701

wow, some guys in here, dont accept facts.. if your own wonder land, u think kobe is being robbed the mvp and nash shouldnt get it, u cant be rationilized with.

SHAQ/KOBE=#1 · Star Player Joined: 29 May 2002 Posts: 3260

Nash or Kobe.

This has nothing to do with the MVP argument...but how many wins would the Lakers have if we had Nash instead of Kobe? Just curious.

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Mike@LG · Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 12:35 am Post subject:

^That's his fault he can't maximize it.

Big hint. Nash ran basically a pick and roll offense on a VERY talented offensive unit in Dallas. What's the difference...
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