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OdomX2 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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This is getting ridiculous. You have to believe that if Phil got off his large ass and did some arguing for Kobe, Kobe may not be on the brink of a suspension. That flagrant foul last night was absolutely ridiculous. Phil should have gotten thrown out over that call. Wake the F up and stick up for your star...good grief! |
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uberzev Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:54 am Post subject: |
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_________________ Lakers Gonna Lake |
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KobeButler Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: |
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flagrants arent counted as techs. _________________ Pain is temporary, at the end of pain is success... |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Kobe has 1 more to "spare"
The worst thing can happen is Kobe getting suspended in a game right now. He has to be made aware of how he can be suspended by picking up number 16 |
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OdomX2 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Flagrant 1 fouls are worth one point and flagrant 2 fouls are considered a two-point offense.
A player with six points on the list, who commits a flagrant 1 foul receives a one-game suspension and if he commits a flagrant 2 foul, then he would be suspended for two games. |
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hoopschick29 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:06 am Post subject: |
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That flagrant call was shameful. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:15 am Post subject: |
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If the fouled player himself admits it wasn't a flagarant, what else needs to be said?
Spurs. Noone will touch them in the playoffs with the amount of love they get from the refs. |
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numero-ocho Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | Kobe has 1 more to "spare"
The worst thing can happen is Kobe getting suspended in a game right now. He has to be made aware of how he can be suspended by picking up number 16 |
According to NBA.com stats, Kobe had 12 technicals as of his 61st game. He didn't pick one up in NO and according to the NBA Rulebook, Flagrant Fouls are considered Personal Fouls not Technical Fouls.
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html?nav=ArticleList |
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OdomX2 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:16 am Post subject: |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | If the fouled player himself admits it wasn't a flagarant, what else needs to be said?
Spurs. Noone will touch them in the playoffs with the amount of love they get from the refs. |
It is shocking to see them instigate contact, particularly Ginobilli and Duncan and the call. Truly disgusting. Ginobilli makes Vlade blush. |
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OdomX2 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:17 am Post subject: |
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numero-ocho wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Kobe has 1 more to "spare"
The worst thing can happen is Kobe getting suspended in a game right now. He has to be made aware of how he can be suspended by picking up number 16 |
According to NBA.com stats, Kobe had 12 technicals as of his 61st game. He didn't pick one up in NO and according to the NBA Rulebook, Flagrant Fouls are considered Personal Fouls not Technical Fouls.
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html?nav=ArticleList |
ONCE AGAIN:
Flagrant 1 fouls are worth one point and flagrant 2 fouls are considered a two-point offense.
A player with six points on the list, who commits a flagrant 1 foul receives a one-game suspension and if he commits a flagrant 2 foul, then he would be suspended for two games. |
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BraveHeartII Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:19 am Post subject: |
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You don't compound a bad call by giving a team like the Spurs ANY free point. |
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DaggerInTheHeart Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: |
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OdomX2 cry me a river already |
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minervafilms Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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OdomX2 wrote: | Phil should have gotten thrown out over that call. Wake the F up and stick up for your star...good grief! |
What a load of nonsense. You think Phil is meant to give up two more free throws and risk us losing the game by getting thrown out because of a bad call on poor widdle Kobe? Kobe over the team: that's Groupie-ism at its finest.
In any case, the Lakers will ask the league to rescind the technical upon review, and it probably will be. |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Kobe needs to stop getting technicals, period. Yeah, he doesn't get every call that MJ would get, but Kobe is one of the league leaders in FT attempts, and those don't all come from legitimate fouls. He gets superstar treatment, and there's no reason he should be leading the league in technicals. Kobe earns those techs with his attitude. It's not like Rasheed, who is still being burned by his past. He's mellowed out a lot, but refs are still more than happy and a little too eager to slap him with a technical. But Kobe has no excuse. |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:21 am Post subject: |
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OdomX2 wrote: | numero-ocho wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Kobe has 1 more to "spare"
The worst thing can happen is Kobe getting suspended in a game right now. He has to be made aware of how he can be suspended by picking up number 16 |
According to NBA.com stats, Kobe had 12 technicals as of his 61st game. He didn't pick one up in NO and according to the NBA Rulebook, Flagrant Fouls are considered Personal Fouls not Technical Fouls.
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html?nav=ArticleList |
ONCE AGAIN:
Flagrant 1 fouls are worth one point and flagrant 2 fouls are considered a two-point offense.
A player with six points on the list, who commits a flagrant 1 foul receives a one-game suspension and if he commits a flagrant 2 foul, then he would be suspended for two games. |
ONCE AGAIN
Techs and Flagrants are two separate things.
If last night's flagrant is upheld (odds are it will be overturned), Kobe would have 3 points against him, meaning he still has 3 points left over the next 19 games.
As for the techs, he still has 12, the same number he had when everyone started freaking out about him getting suspended.
Get a grip. |
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superboy Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:36 am Post subject: |
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Hector the Pup wrote: |
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Techs and Flagrants are two separate things.
If last night's flagrant is upheld (odds are it will be overturned), Kobe would have 3 points against him, meaning he still has 3 points left over the next 19 games.
As for the techs, he still has 12, the same number he had when everyone started freaking out about him getting suspended.
Get a grip. |
Hee hee. Nice one Hector. Seriously, one of the main reasons why I don't post as much here anymore is that people don't read each other's answers anymore and the discussion quickly gets skewed towards some agenda. Thanks for your repeated info, I'm glad to know flagrants don't count as techs. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:37 am Post subject: |
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kobe! _________________ Lakers in '08.
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Zhengi Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:41 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Hector. The league office will most likely review the play and overturn the flagrant foul call. Therefore, other than the points awarded to the Spurs during that run, there's no harm done and no reason to worry about Kobe getting suspended. _________________ I'm like a Hadouken, down-right Fierce! |
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OdomX2 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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minervafilms wrote: | OdomX2 wrote: | Phil should have gotten thrown out over that call. Wake the F up and stick up for your star...good grief! |
What a load of nonsense. You think Phil is meant to give up two more free throws and risk us losing the game by getting thrown out because of a bad call on poor widdle Kobe? Kobe over the team: that's Groupie-ism at its finest.
In any case, the Lakers will ask the league to rescind the technical upon review, and it probably will be. |
It's called supporting your star so the league isn't so inclined to call ridiculous flagrants (or were you fine with that 5 point swing on the road) Gosh, looks to me like other teams coaches go ape (bleep) when their players get the job. Not old Phil, he seems perfectly content to let the referees have at his superstar.
FACT: Kobe is dangerously close to being SUSPENDED because of referree intervention. FACT: Kobe has been suspended TWO games already for a bad call. Either the Lakers or Phil start to stick the F up for their players, or we can go at this thing without Kobe. |
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eldrunko714 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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This thread :roll: Ronnie doesn't high five Kobe, Phil doesn't praise Kobe, Phil doesn't have Kobe's back :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Sasha doesn't shine Kobe's shoes, Andrew Bynum doesn't carry his bags :roll: |
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1hu2ren3dui4 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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Hector the Pup wrote: | OdomX2 wrote: | numero-ocho wrote: | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Kobe has 1 more to "spare"
The worst thing can happen is Kobe getting suspended in a game right now. He has to be made aware of how he can be suspended by picking up number 16 |
According to NBA.com stats, Kobe had 12 technicals as of his 61st game. He didn't pick one up in NO and according to the NBA Rulebook, Flagrant Fouls are considered Personal Fouls not Technical Fouls.
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html?nav=ArticleList |
ONCE AGAIN:
Flagrant 1 fouls are worth one point and flagrant 2 fouls are considered a two-point offense.
A player with six points on the list, who commits a flagrant 1 foul receives a one-game suspension and if he commits a flagrant 2 foul, then he would be suspended for two games. |
ONCE AGAIN
Techs and Flagrants are two separate things.
If last night's flagrant is upheld (odds are it will be overturned), Kobe would have 3 points against him, meaning he still has 3 points left over the next 19 games.
As for the techs, he still has 12, the same number he had when everyone started freaking out about him getting suspended.
Get a grip. |
thank you for typing up what most of us know, but are too lazy to educate the newbies about. _________________ -Most people learn by saying mother, numb, horse, angry... I learned mine by saying Lakers, add gas. - HRD. |
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OdomX2 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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eldrunko714 wrote: | This thread :roll: Ronnie doesn't high five Kobe, Phil doesn't praise Kobe, Phil doesn't have Kobe's back :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Sasha doesn't shine Kobe's shoes, Andrew Bynum doesn't carry his bags :roll: |
Actually it's about officiating and the mounting Technicals and Flagrant points being accumulated by the best player in the world, along with the indiference being shown by his team's leadership. If you don't that is a legitimate and troubling issue, you're blind. |
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yungdame Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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OdomX2 wrote: | minervafilms wrote: | OdomX2 wrote: | Phil should have gotten thrown out over that call. Wake the F up and stick up for your star...good grief! |
What a load of nonsense. You think Phil is meant to give up two more free throws and risk us losing the game by getting thrown out because of a bad call on poor widdle Kobe? Kobe over the team: that's Groupie-ism at its finest.
In any case, the Lakers will ask the league to rescind the technical upon review, and it probably will be. |
It's called supporting your star so the league isn't so inclined to call ridiculous flagrants (or were you fine with that 5 point swing on the road) Gosh, looks to me like other teams coaches go ape (bleep) when their players get the job. Not old Phil, he seems perfectly content to let the referees have at his superstar.
FACT: Kobe is dangerously close to being SUSPENDED because of referree intervention. FACT: Kobe has been suspended TWO games already for a bad call. Either the Lakers or Phil start to stick the F up for their players, or we can go at this thing without Kobe. |
Dude i agree totally,i dont think that is Groupie-ism at all..leBron whose only been in the NBA for a few years now gets the calls kobe NEVER gets |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:38 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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OdomX2 wrote: | minervafilms wrote: | OdomX2 wrote: | Phil should have gotten thrown out over that call. Wake the F up and stick up for your star...good grief! |
What a load of nonsense. You think Phil is meant to give up two more free throws and risk us losing the game by getting thrown out because of a bad call on poor widdle Kobe? Kobe over the team: that's Groupie-ism at its finest.
In any case, the Lakers will ask the league to rescind the technical upon review, and it probably will be. |
It's called supporting your star so the league isn't so inclined to call ridiculous flagrants (or were you fine with that 5 point swing on the road) Gosh, looks to me like other teams coaches go ape (bleep) when their players get the job. Not old Phil, he seems perfectly content to let the referees have at his superstar.
FACT: Kobe is dangerously close to being SUSPENDED because of referree intervention. FACT: Kobe has been suspended TWO games already for a bad call. Either the Lakers or Phil start to stick the F up for their players, or we can go at this thing without Kobe. |
Calm down and go back and read the thread again.
FACT: Kobe has just as many techs as he did a month ago - 12. He would need to get 4 more to be suspended. If you consider 4 techs away from being suspended dangerously close, then wouldn't the fact that that number has not increased in that timeframe suggest that Kobe knows that and is conducting himself accordingly?
FACT: Kobe was suspended two games for a flagrant that he not only comitted, but practically bragged about after the game.
Phil getting tossed over a call that will most likely be overturned on Monday would serve no purpose whatsoever, unless you happen to be a Spurs fan.
Phil gets two techs, that turns the trip from a 5 point to a 7 point trip for the Spurs. The Lakers lead goes from 5 to 3 and now they have a close game in the dreaded 3rd quarter without their head coach. Do you really think that this team is mentally strong enough to survive that?
Again, calm down and try to think rationally. |
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DaggerInTheHeart Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Hector, ignore his posts he always finds ways to hate on Phil |
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