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OdomX2
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 Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | OdomX2 wrote: | | minervafilms wrote: | | OdomX2 wrote: | | Phil should have gotten thrown out over that call. Wake the F up and stick up for your star...good grief! |
What a load of nonsense. You think Phil is meant to give up two more free throws and risk us losing the game by getting thrown out because of a bad call on poor widdle Kobe? Kobe over the team: that's Groupie-ism at its finest.
In any case, the Lakers will ask the league to rescind the technical upon review, and it probably will be. |
It's called supporting your star so the league isn't so inclined to call ridiculous flagrants (or were you fine with that 5 point swing on the road) Gosh, looks to me like other teams coaches go ape (bleep) when their players get the job. Not old Phil, he seems perfectly content to let the referees have at his superstar.
FACT: Kobe is dangerously close to being SUSPENDED because of referree intervention. FACT: Kobe has been suspended TWO games already for a bad call. Either the Lakers or Phil start to stick the F up for their players, or we can go at this thing without Kobe. |
Calm down and go back and read the thread again.
FACT: Kobe has just as many techs as he did a month ago - 12. He would need to get 4 more to be suspended. If you consider 4 techs away from being suspended dangerously close, then wouldn't the fact that that number has not increased in that timeframe suggest that Kobe knows that and is conducting himself accordingly?
FACT: Kobe was suspended two games for a flagrant that he not only comitted, but practically bragged about after the game.
Phil getting tossed over a call that will most likely be overturned on Monday would serve no purpose whatsoever, unless you happen to be a Spurs fan.
Phil gets two techs, that turns the trip from a 5 point to a 7 point trip for the Spurs. The Lakers lead goes from 5 to 3 and now they have a close game in the dreaded 3rd quarter without their head coach. Do you really
Again, calm down and try to think rationally. |
Don't recall Kobe bragging about a flagrant foul. But it brings up a much larger point here. Who is sticking up for Kobe? Who is playing the Rick Fox enforcer role? Who is chirping from the bench? You don't want Phil getting thrown out? How about a strongly worded quote to the press (He's got the dough to handle it) Again, this issue is about respect from the league and respect from opponents. If Kobe is going to go at this alone, he'll be suspended, injured, or just plain tired. Call it Kobeism, but without #8, I don't like our chances. |
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| OdomX2 wrote: | | eldrunko714 wrote: | This thread :roll: Ronnie doesn't high five Kobe, Phil doesn't praise Kobe, Phil doesn't have Kobe's back :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Sasha doesn't shine Kobe's shoes, Andrew Bynum doesn't carry his bags :roll: |
Actually it's about officiating and the mounting Technicals and Flagrant points being accumulated by the best player in the world, along with the indiference being shown by his team's leadership. If you don't that is a legitimate and troubling issue, you're blind. |
Whatever man, argue the call and get another techinical, lose our poise, and lose the entire game. We've seen that before. When has a ref changed his call? About 99.99 percent of the time not. Oh yeah Phil doesn't have Kobe's back OK. Phil is only the reason we are at least in the playoff hunt this season. He is this franchises savior to be honest. Don't you hear Kobe always praising the coaching staff for his great play this year. Kobe's a big boy he is responsible for his own actions on the court just like everyone else. Saying Phil arguing the call would have a made difference is pointless whining. The play was right in front of Phil. Maybe he thought it wasn't worth arguing. I didn't cath the replay so I can't say. Calling Phil out for not doing anything is a joke. Phil has a big mouth and you can count on him using it when he wants to. |
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OdomX2
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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| eldrunko714 wrote: | | OdomX2 wrote: | | eldrunko714 wrote: | This thread :roll: Ronnie doesn't high five Kobe, Phil doesn't praise Kobe, Phil doesn't have Kobe's back :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Sasha doesn't shine Kobe's shoes, Andrew Bynum doesn't carry his bags :roll: |
Actually it's about officiating and the mounting Technicals and Flagrant points being accumulated by the best player in the world, along with the indiference being shown by his team's leadership. If you don't that is a legitimate and troubling issue, you're blind. |
Whatever man, argue the call and get another techinical, lose our poise, and lose the entire game. We've seen that before. When has a ref changed his call? About 99.99 percent of the time not. Oh yeah Phil doesn't have Kobe's back OK. Phil is only the reason we are at least in the playoff hunt this season. He is this franchises savior to be honest. Don't you hear Kobe always praising the coaching staff for his great play this year. Kobe's a big boy he is responsible for his own actions on the court just like everyone else. Saying Phil arguing the call would have a made difference is pointless whining. The play was right in front of Phil. Maybe he thought it wasn't worth arguing. I didn't cath the replay so I can't say. Calling Phil out for not doing anything is a joke. Phil has a big mouth and you can count on him using it when he wants to. |
Phil is the franchise savior? Good grief. :roll: |
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DaggerInTheHeart
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Mods can you merge this in the Piss and Moan thread  |
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OdomX2
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| DaggerInTheHeart wrote: | | Mods can you merge this in the Piss and Moan thread |
Why don't you take your own advice and ignore the thread? |
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minervafilms
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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| yungdame wrote: | | leBron whose only been in the NBA for a few years now gets the calls kobe NEVER gets |
More BS. Go ask any objective NBA fan who's not a Laker homer who gets the most calls in the league and the majority of them will say Kobe. His reputation in this respect is close to untouchable. Of course there are times when he gets a bad call, but that has more to do with the general state of officiating rather than any bias against poor widdle Kobe.
You guys sound like the Sac fans who still whine to this day about the officiating in the 2002 WCF. Just accept that the Lakers and Number 8 generally get as many good and bad calls as anyone else. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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| OdomX2 wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | | OdomX2 wrote: | | minervafilms wrote: | | OdomX2 wrote: | | Phil should have gotten thrown out over that call. Wake the F up and stick up for your star...good grief! |
What a load of nonsense. You think Phil is meant to give up two more free throws and risk us losing the game by getting thrown out because of a bad call on poor widdle Kobe? Kobe over the team: that's Groupie-ism at its finest.
In any case, the Lakers will ask the league to rescind the technical upon review, and it probably will be. |
It's called supporting your star so the league isn't so inclined to call ridiculous flagrants (or were you fine with that 5 point swing on the road) Gosh, looks to me like other teams coaches go ape (bleep) when their players get the job. Not old Phil, he seems perfectly content to let the referees have at his superstar.
FACT: Kobe is dangerously close to being SUSPENDED because of referree intervention. FACT: Kobe has been suspended TWO games already for a bad call. Either the Lakers or Phil start to stick the F up for their players, or we can go at this thing without Kobe. |
Calm down and go back and read the thread again.
FACT: Kobe has just as many techs as he did a month ago - 12. He would need to get 4 more to be suspended. If you consider 4 techs away from being suspended dangerously close, then wouldn't the fact that that number has not increased in that timeframe suggest that Kobe knows that and is conducting himself accordingly?
FACT: Kobe was suspended two games for a flagrant that he not only comitted, but practically bragged about after the game.
Phil getting tossed over a call that will most likely be overturned on Monday would serve no purpose whatsoever, unless you happen to be a Spurs fan.
Phil gets two techs, that turns the trip from a 5 point to a 7 point trip for the Spurs. The Lakers lead goes from 5 to 3 and now they have a close game in the dreaded 3rd quarter without their head coach. Do you really
Again, calm down and try to think rationally. |
Don't recall Kobe bragging about a flagrant foul. But it brings up a much larger point here. Who is sticking up for Kobe? Who is playing the Rick Fox enforcer role? Who is chirping from the bench? You don't want Phil getting thrown out? How about a strongly worded quote to the press (He's got the dough to handle it) Again, this issue is about respect from the league and respect from opponents. If Kobe is going to go at this alone, he'll be suspended, injured, or just plain tired. Call it Kobeism, but without #8, I don't like our chances. |
After Wednesday's game, Bryant was unapologetic. He was cut over his left eye early in the third quarter when Miller elbowed him while driving to the basket. Bryant left the game briefly, and took three stitches to close the wound.
"Any player that was going to come down the lane at that point in time, I was going to let him know that he just can't walk through there," Bryant said after the game. "I think we as a team have to do a better job of establishing that. And me, as a leader of the ballclub, I've got to take the initiative to do that -- and hopefully, everybody will see that.
"This being our home court, people come here and think it's Hollywood and all sorts of stuff, so they think they'll come down [the lane] and look pretty and shoot jump shots and dunk the ball and finger-roll the ball and do all sorts of cute stuff. And we've got to stop that."
Bryant said his postgame comments were "no different than what everybody else says."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2275494 |
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DaggerInTheHeart
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Damn Warm you scared me man i thought Kobe was suspended now  |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | OdomX2 wrote: | | numero-ocho wrote: | | wolfpaclaker wrote: | Kobe has 1 more to "spare"
The worst thing can happen is Kobe getting suspended in a game right now. He has to be made aware of how he can be suspended by picking up number 16 |
According to NBA.com stats, Kobe had 12 technicals as of his 61st game. He didn't pick one up in NO and according to the NBA Rulebook, Flagrant Fouls are considered Personal Fouls not Technical Fouls.
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_12.html?nav=ArticleList |
ONCE AGAIN:
Flagrant 1 fouls are worth one point and flagrant 2 fouls are considered a two-point offense.
A player with six points on the list, who commits a flagrant 1 foul receives a one-game suspension and if he commits a flagrant 2 foul, then he would be suspended for two games. |
ONCE AGAIN
Techs and Flagrants are two separate things.
If last night's flagrant is upheld (odds are it will be overturned), Kobe would have 3 points against him, meaning he still has 3 points left over the next 19 games.
As for the techs, he still has 12, the same number he had when everyone started freaking out about him getting suspended.
Get a grip. |
I was going to respond to this horse hockey from X2, but it looks like Hector beat me to it - I mean nearly word for word what I was preparing.
I only re-post it here, because it seems that a good pounding of the message is required to reach X2's rudimentary cerebral cortex.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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| minervafilms wrote: | | yungdame wrote: | | leBron whose only been in the NBA for a few years now gets the calls kobe NEVER gets |
More BS. Go ask any objective NBA fan who's not a Laker homer who gets the most calls in the league and the majority of them will say Kobe. His reputation in this respect is close to untouchable. Of course there are times when he gets a bad call, but that has more to do with the general state of officiating rather than any bias against poor widdle Kobe.
You guys sound like the Sac fans who still whine to this day about the officiating in the 2002 WCF. Just accept that the Lakers and Number 8 generally get as many good and bad calls as anyone else. |
I agree...more BS. It's coming from you though.
Just because Kobe goes to the line quite a bit doesn't negate the fact that in many, many games he continually drives in to the teeth of the defense and has arms and bodies all over him yet there is no call made.
Because a player has the ability to make some shots with a higher degree of difficulty than most doesn't mean he should be ignored on a huge number of calls that should have sent him to the line.
Every single game there are so many times the refs just look the other way that it's beyond belief. |
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| OdomX2 wrote: | | eldrunko714 wrote: | This thread :roll: Ronnie doesn't high five Kobe, Phil doesn't praise Kobe, Phil doesn't have Kobe's back :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Sasha doesn't shine Kobe's shoes, Andrew Bynum doesn't carry his bags :roll: |
Actually it's about officiating and the mounting Technicals and Flagrant points being accumulated by the best player in the world, along with the indiference being shown by his team's leadership. If you don't that is a legitimate and troubling issue, you're blind. |
Bitter, party of one. Your table is ready.
Acutally it sounds more like another cheap shot at Jackson. Sad. There are two people a part of this team that have a proven track record of success no matter how many haters against them try to twist it. Jackson and Kobe. Trolls could start thread after thread ripping Kobe, this is just as bad.
Take an example from the guy you love, Kobe. He knows the only other guy he can count on is Jackson. They have been to the mountain top together. Rise above it. Thank god Jackson is here. Do you have any idea the level of crap the media would be pilling on Kobe again? The main reason it has slowed so much is Jackson acting like a lighting rod for it. His resume and past relationship provides Kobe the cover.
If Jackson with 11 rings is so bad what does that make Brown? More talent overall. Picked by everyone to have a better record with the Knicks, and that was before adding even more depth.
There are only four teams clearly better than the Lakers. Pistons, Spurs, Mavs, and Suns. The Heat would have close to our record and we would have theirs if we switched places. Other than the Suns does anyone think with have even remotely the talent level of the Pistons, Spurs and Mavs? If you do then you don't know bball. The Spurs and Pistons are so veteran they can coach themselves. And we had all better realize the Sun players are better than we think. There are maybe a dozen teams with more talent that we have been hearing about for years that are no better than we. Some like the Rockets falling on their butts.
This team is so damm young. We picked the least experienced player in the history of the NBA for a draft pick. No help there. Mitch's last two MLE guys haven't played more than 10 minutes total. Didn't get any other impact guys in trade. Gave away the points of Atkins and Butler and replaced them with Kwame.. minus about 20 plus right there. Mitch has filled a team with guys who lack the basics on defense.
I for one think with both Kobe and Phil have done an outstanding job given the load of _______ these two have to work with. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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| steadyeddy wrote: | | minervafilms wrote: | | yungdame wrote: | | leBron whose only been in the NBA for a few years now gets the calls kobe NEVER gets |
More BS. Go ask any objective NBA fan who's not a Laker homer who gets the most calls in the league and the majority of them will say Kobe. His reputation in this respect is close to untouchable. Of course there are times when he gets a bad call, but that has more to do with the general state of officiating rather than any bias against poor widdle Kobe.
You guys sound like the Sac fans who still whine to this day about the officiating in the 2002 WCF. Just accept that the Lakers and Number 8 generally get as many good and bad calls as anyone else. |
I agree...more BS. It's coming from you though.
Just because Kobe goes to the line quite a bit doesn't negate the fact that in many, many games he continually drives in to the teeth of the defense and has arms and bodies all over him yet there is no call made.
Because a player has the ability to make some shots with a higher degree of difficulty than most doesn't mean he should be ignored on a huge number of calls that should have sent him to the line.
Every single game there are so many times the refs just look the other way that it's beyond belief. |
I agree. This is from Roland Lazenby, the author of The Show and Mad Game : The NBA Education of Kobe Bryant.
"He does think that Wade gets more respect from the refs than Kobe.
Tex also opined that Kobe doesn't get nearly the respect from the officials that he deserves.
That may sound strange since Kobe gets to the line so often. However, he is fouled many times when there is no whistle. "
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lakerfin
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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| steadyeddy wrote: | | minervafilms wrote: | | yungdame wrote: | | leBron whose only been in the NBA for a few years now gets the calls kobe NEVER gets |
More BS. Go ask any objective NBA fan who's not a Laker homer who gets the most calls in the league and the majority of them will say Kobe. His reputation in this respect is close to untouchable. Of course there are times when he gets a bad call, but that has more to do with the general state of officiating rather than any bias against poor widdle Kobe.
You guys sound like the Sac fans who still whine to this day about the officiating in the 2002 WCF. Just accept that the Lakers and Number 8 generally get as many good and bad calls as anyone else. |
I agree...more BS. It's coming from you though.
Just because Kobe goes to the line quite a bit doesn't negate the fact that in many, many games he continually drives in to the teeth of the defense and has arms and bodies all over him yet there is no call made.
Because a player has the ability to make some shots with a higher degree of difficulty than most doesn't mean he should be ignored on a huge number of calls that should have sent him to the line.
Every single game there are so many times the refs just look the other way that it's beyond belief. |
Completely agree. I watch alot of basketball and I mean alot. I can't remember anyone in recent memory that does not get the obvious call like Kobe Bryant. Averaging more than a handful per game, it's pretty disgusting. Someone that thinks he GETS the calls and is protected like ala Michael Jordan, is not even watching the same games I am.
And back to your point Eddy, I agree that it seems Kobe actually gets punished for having the ability to make unreal shots after being hit. I always though hard work paid off. Shouldn't have to play against the officials as well. Now that's BS. |
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| OdomX2 wrote: | | DaggerInTheHeart wrote: | | Mods can you merge this in the Piss and Moan thread |
Why don't you take your own advice and ignore the thread? |
Isn't he awful? I feel better at least knowing that he gets on everybodies damned nerves...
Oh, and does anybody remember if that ridiculoust flagrant against Drew a few games back is still standing as originally charged?
That was also a call that the official should have been horse whipped over...
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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| Warm Fuzzies wrote: | | OdomX2 wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | | OdomX2 wrote: | | minervafilms wrote: | | OdomX2 wrote: | | Phil should have gotten thrown out over that call. Wake the F up and stick up for your star...good grief! |
What a load of nonsense. You think Phil is meant to give up two more free throws and risk us losing the game by getting thrown out because of a bad call on poor widdle Kobe? Kobe over the team: that's Groupie-ism at its finest.
In any case, the Lakers will ask the league to rescind the technical upon review, and it probably will be. |
It's called supporting your star so the league isn't so inclined to call ridiculous flagrants (or were you fine with that 5 point swing on the road) Gosh, looks to me like other teams coaches go ape (bleep) when their players get the job. Not old Phil, he seems perfectly content to let the referees have at his superstar.
FACT: Kobe is dangerously close to being SUSPENDED because of referree intervention. FACT: Kobe has been suspended TWO games already for a bad call. Either the Lakers or Phil start to stick the F up for their players, or we can go at this thing without Kobe. |
Calm down and go back and read the thread again.
FACT: Kobe has just as many techs as he did a month ago - 12. He would need to get 4 more to be suspended. If you consider 4 techs away from being suspended dangerously close, then wouldn't the fact that that number has not increased in that timeframe suggest that Kobe knows that and is conducting himself accordingly?
FACT: Kobe was suspended two games for a flagrant that he not only comitted, but practically bragged about after the game.
Phil getting tossed over a call that will most likely be overturned on Monday would serve no purpose whatsoever, unless you happen to be a Spurs fan.
Phil gets two techs, that turns the trip from a 5 point to a 7 point trip for the Spurs. The Lakers lead goes from 5 to 3 and now they have a close game in the dreaded 3rd quarter without their head coach. Do you really
Again, calm down and try to think rationally. |
Don't recall Kobe bragging about a flagrant foul. But it brings up a much larger point here. Who is sticking up for Kobe? Who is playing the Rick Fox enforcer role? Who is chirping from the bench? You don't want Phil getting thrown out? How about a strongly worded quote to the press (He's got the dough to handle it) Again, this issue is about respect from the league and respect from opponents. If Kobe is going to go at this alone, he'll be suspended, injured, or just plain tired. Call it Kobeism, but without #8, I don't like our chances. |
After Wednesday's game, Bryant was unapologetic. He was cut over his left eye early in the third quarter when Miller elbowed him while driving to the basket. Bryant left the game briefly, and took three stitches to close the wound.
"Any player that was going to come down the lane at that point in time, I was going to let him know that he just can't walk through there," Bryant said after the game. "I think we as a team have to do a better job of establishing that. And me, as a leader of the ballclub, I've got to take the initiative to do that -- and hopefully, everybody will see that.
"This being our home court, people come here and think it's Hollywood and all sorts of stuff, so they think they'll come down [the lane] and look pretty and shoot jump shots and dunk the ball and finger-roll the ball and do all sorts of cute stuff. And we've got to stop that."
Bryant said his postgame comments were "no different than what everybody else says."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2275494 |
It appears that Kobe has established a reputation for that incidence, not good. |
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its his fiery passion that he displays everytime he steps on the court. cant hate him for that...lol
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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| lakerfin wrote: | | steadyeddy wrote: | | minervafilms wrote: | | yungdame wrote: | | leBron whose only been in the NBA for a few years now gets the calls kobe NEVER gets |
More BS. Go ask any objective NBA fan who's not a Laker homer who gets the most calls in the league and the majority of them will say Kobe. His reputation in this respect is close to untouchable. Of course there are times when he gets a bad call, but that has more to do with the general state of officiating rather than any bias against poor widdle Kobe.
You guys sound like the Sac fans who still whine to this day about the officiating in the 2002 WCF. Just accept that the Lakers and Number 8 generally get as many good and bad calls as anyone else. |
I agree...more BS. It's coming from you though.
Just because Kobe goes to the line quite a bit doesn't negate the fact that in many, many games he continually drives in to the teeth of the defense and has arms and bodies all over him yet there is no call made.
Because a player has the ability to make some shots with a higher degree of difficulty than most doesn't mean he should be ignored on a huge number of calls that should have sent him to the line.
Every single game there are so many times the refs just look the other way that it's beyond belief. |
Completely agree. I watch alot of basketball and I mean alot. I can't remember anyone in recent memory that does not get the obvious call like Kobe Bryant. Averaging more than a handful per game, it's pretty disgusting. Someone that thinks he GETS the calls and is protected like ala Michael Jordan, is not even watching the same games I am.
And back to your point Eddy, I agree that it seems Kobe actually gets punished for having the ability to make unreal shots after being hit. I always though hard work paid off. Shouldn't have to play against the officials as well. Now that's BS. |
Protected like MJ? Get a grip dude...
Did you see the Knicks-Bulls and Pistons-Bulls clashes in the 80s? They hammered Jordan a lot and a foul was rarely called.
I see the refs handle Kobe similar to the 80s and early 90s Jordan. |
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I really remember Phil sticking out for Shaq, fighting Shaq's battle with the refs...saying something about the officiating after every game, especially when Shaq was not getting some calls. Fast forward to today's Kobe led Lakers, Phil is surprisingly mum about Kobe getting hammered without gatting the calls. I agree with OdomX2, Phil needs to stick it out for Kobe...
We see Pop act like a little girl when Gino's flop wasn't called. We all know that was a good none call, Pop knows that was a good none call, but he was setting up the refs to call that next time, at least he was trying to sell that play into his favor. That's called sticking out for your players.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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| OdomX2 wrote: | | This is getting ridiculous. You have to believe that if Phil got off his large ass and did some arguing for Kobe, Kobe may not be on the brink of a suspension. That flagrant foul last night was absolutely ridiculous. Phil should have gotten thrown out over that call. Wake the F up and stick up for your star...good grief! |
Relax. It'll be over-turned. That wasn't a flagrant foul and the NBA will review it, since the Lakers WILL appeal it.
As for thinking Phil should have gotten thrown out over it, sorry, but that's ridiculous. Had he done that, he would have been far more irresponsible to the entire team, including kobe. They need him on that bench. We're fighting for our playoff lives with Sac breathing down our backs, we have approximately 20 games to go. It's no time to let emotions cause you to get thrown out and possibly cost us the game. Oftentime we fans get angry over a stupid call - and rightfully so - but then we take that anger and seem to look for ways to blame our own team. This time it's Phil's fault. Tomorrow, it might be Kobe's fault that Devean missed a shot. And so forth and so on. I'm not speaking directly about YOU doing this, just we do that a lot here. Sometimes, it's just bad officiating or a simple error that doesn't need to be "pinned" on someone. In this instance, it isn't Phil's fault the official was over-dramatic and made a stupid call. Yelling at him could have conceiveably given the Spurs an additional technical or 2 (if he got kicked out), which would have made that trip down the court a 6-7 pt. trip. THAT would have been inexcusable.
And for the record, Phil does and has gotten up and argued and yelled at officials quite a lot this year - far more than usual. |
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Can either OdomX2 or one of the mods change the title of this topic from "Another T for Kobe and Phil Does Nothing" to "A Flagrant Called on Kobe and Phil Does Nothing"? Since it's been well established and agreed upon by all sides that a flagrant is NOT a technical, the title of the topic is misleading and erroneous.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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| lakerfin wrote: |
Completely agree. I watch alot of basketball and I mean alot. I can't remember anyone in recent memory that does not get the obvious call like Kobe Bryant. Averaging more than a handful per game, it's pretty disgusting. Someone that thinks he GETS the calls and is protected like ala Michael Jordan, is not even watching the same games I am.
And back to your point Eddy, I agree that it seems Kobe actually gets punished for having the ability to make unreal shots after being hit. I always though hard work paid off. Shouldn't have to play against the officials as well. Now that's BS. |
They could call a foul on every play in the NBA. Now wouldn't that be an exciting game? Several times last night Kobe drove to the lane, pushed Bowen with his free hand, then put up a jumper. How many of those offensive fouls were called? None. It goes both ways, take off the homer blinders and watch the games.
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On a somewhat related but somewhat unrelated note (can something even be somewhat related, without it being somewhat unrelated??  ), does anybody know if Odom's flagrant on Parker in the game last Monday has been overturrned? That one definitely seemed like it was not intentional, or with malice. Thanks in advance. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 1:31 am Post subject: Re: Another T for Kobe and Phil does nothing |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | lakerfin wrote: |
Completely agree. I watch alot of basketball and I mean alot. I can't remember anyone in recent memory that does not get the obvious call like Kobe Bryant. Averaging more than a handful per game, it's pretty disgusting. Someone that thinks he GETS the calls and is protected like ala Michael Jordan, is not even watching the same games I am.
And back to your point Eddy, I agree that it seems Kobe actually gets punished for having the ability to make unreal shots after being hit. I always though hard work paid off. Shouldn't have to play against the officials as well. Now that's BS. |
They could call a foul on every play in the NBA. Now wouldn't that be an exciting game? Several times last night Kobe drove to the lane, pushed Bowen with his free hand, then put up a jumper. How many of those offensive fouls were called? None. It goes both ways, take off the homer blinders and watch the games. |
different story...A lot of what you say are let go, but (excessive) contact in the act of shooting should be called. Like hands are considered part of the ball, except when attempting a shot.
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| THE_SHOES wrote: | | Isn't he awful? I feel better at least knowing that he gets on everybodies damned nerves... |
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| JIFISH wrote: | | Can either OdomX2 or one of the mods change the title of this topic from "Another T for Kobe and Phil Does Nothing" to "A Flagrant Called on Kobe and Phil Does Nothing"? Since it's been well established and agreed upon by all sides that a flagrant is NOT a technical, the title of the topic is misleading and erroneous. |
Sustained!
OdomX stop misleading the jury and, stick to the facts please...
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