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gng930 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:22 am Post subject: Who do you think we could get for Mihm? |
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Kwame seems increasingly comfortable at center. Turiaf seems like he might be ready to be a reliable backup bigman with Bynum possibly ready to take a consistent role by the middle of next season.
Colangelo commands respect in Toronto, so I don't see Bosh leaving anytime soon. Ferry is doing a great job in Cleveland, so I don't think LBJ is going anywhere. In 2008, Kobe will be 30 and Phil Jackson gone. It seems like our best chance at getting at a low-post scoring option is via Mihm this summer.
Apparently, the Jazz thought they could get more than him for Boozer. Will that change over the summer, especially if the Jazz miss out on the playoffs? On the other hand, Boozer's been playing well since he returned. Do we have a chance with Mihm as the primary trade bait? Who else is out there that we might have a shot at?
Personally, I hope the team ditches the cap space dream and signs our future starting PG with a 5-year MLE offer (Terry and James seem out of reach, but Banks would be sweet) and then gives George a new contract. Just like that, we'll have our core with 2 years to develop under Jackson. |
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Odom2Kobe2Kwame Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: |
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Is this year's MLE going to be halfed because of McKie??? _________________ Vote Andre 'the Giant' W for Prez |
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Mr. EiGhTy-OnE Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Ben Gordon for Mihm and a 1st rounder?? _________________ "When (Kobe) gets you on life support, he won't give you mouth to mouth. HE PULLS THE PLUG." -stu |
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Sage_10 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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#32MaGiC wrote: | Ben Gordon for Mihm and a 1st rounder?? |
I don't know man, going big for small is usually a bad idea. |
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LALdynasty! Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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#32MaGiC wrote: | Ben Gordon for Mihm and a 1st rounder?? |
No No NO |
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pjiddy Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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Sage_10 wrote: | #32MaGiC wrote: | Ben Gordon for Mihm and a 1st rounder?? |
I don't know man, going big for small is usually a bad idea. |
the whole "never a big for a small" is a fallacious argument, i wish people would stop using that as their sole reasoning for burning up someone's trade idea. Does that mean you wouldn't trade Brian Scalabrine for Ron Artest? I like Mihm and he does a lot of things well, but he's not an impact player and we've been playing pretty well with him only giving us 20 something minutes a night. Ben Gordon can flat out SCORE. He is a #2 that would be deadly with Kobe. He is super clutch in the 4th quarter. Having him and Kobe on the same team, the Lakers could close out every 4th quarter. It'd be like having Mariano Rivera and Eric Gagne (before injury) on the same team. |
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Vlade_Divac Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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I'll give you a bagel and a chai tea latte' for Mihm.
My girlfriend calls him "Mihm the Meaningless."
That's a venti chai latte. _________________ We expect a championship. In spite of Mike Brown. |
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gng930 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Ben Gordon is a bad idea simply for the reason that he doesn't really solve a need for us - low post scoring. Cook and Kwame starting with only Turiaf and Bynum to backup is just... |
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Laker Lurker Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I would like to see Mihm at PF before we think of trading him for a PF or in fact for anyone who can't average 15 ppg. He has pretty good moves around the basket and with Kwame at center, he doesn't have to play the shorter, stronger, or massive guys that can move him out of the paint. He could be a 15point 7 rebound PF as long as he avoids foul trouble which he should be able to do with Kwame starting at C and backing him up at PF together with Cook and Turiaf. If Kwame gets into foul trouble, Bynum can back him up a C. Mihm at C is just average at best because he can't hold his position against shorter and more massive guys like Sweetney. Mihm at the PF in the triangle might end being pretty good. |
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AirKobe8 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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I think that as time passes, Mihm will be expendable.
Next year we'll have a confortable bigman situation with Kwame/Bynum at C and Cook/Turiaf at PF.
Mihm is a nice keep until Bynum develops, but if by next season Bynum is ready, Id trade Mihm for a PG a deal Id like would be for Eddie House or Leandro Barbosa, of the Suns. _________________ www.lakersbrasil.com
Fan site made by me and others, dedicated to posting Laker news and articles in portuguese. |
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uberzev Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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AirKobe8 wrote: | I think that as time passes, Mihm will be expendable.
Next year we'll have a confortable bigman situation with Kwame/Bynum at C and Cook/Turiaf at PF.
Mihm is a nice keep until Bynum develops, but if by next season Bynum is ready, Id trade Mihm for a PG a deal Id like would be for Eddie House or Leandro Barbosa, of the Suns. | lol maybe for Barbosa but no way for house. _________________ Lakers Gonna Lake |
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AirKobe8 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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uberzev wrote: | AirKobe8 wrote: | I think that as time passes, Mihm will be expendable.
Next year we'll have a confortable bigman situation with Kwame/Bynum at C and Cook/Turiaf at PF.
Mihm is a nice keep until Bynum develops, but if by next season Bynum is ready, Id trade Mihm for a PG a deal Id like would be for Eddie House or Leandro Barbosa, of the Suns. | lol maybe for Barbosa but no way for house. |
House's scoring 10 ppg in 17 mins, what do you think he would have with 30? Id say at least 15/4 with 2 steals. _________________ www.lakersbrasil.com
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uberzev Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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AirKobe8 wrote: | uberzev wrote: | AirKobe8 wrote: | I think that as time passes, Mihm will be expendable.
Next year we'll have a confortable bigman situation with Kwame/Bynum at C and Cook/Turiaf at PF.
Mihm is a nice keep until Bynum develops, but if by next season Bynum is ready, Id trade Mihm for a PG a deal Id like would be for Eddie House or Leandro Barbosa, of the Suns. | lol maybe for Barbosa but no way for house. |
House's scoring 10 ppg in 17 mins, what do you think he would have with 30? Id say at least 15/4 with 2 steals. | You don't trade a decent starting center for a undersized backup SG. _________________ Lakers Gonna Lake |
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Shapecity Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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Mihm's salary is relatively cheap for servicable big men. I think the Lakers should hold onto him until Bynum is ready to play consistent minutes as the starter. I wouldn't mind the Lakers signing Mihm to an extension at $4.7M per. He has the Triangle experience and he would be a great backup center for this team in the long run. |
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AirKobe8 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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uberzev wrote: | AirKobe8 wrote: | uberzev wrote: | AirKobe8 wrote: | I think that as time passes, Mihm will be expendable.
Next year we'll have a confortable bigman situation with Kwame/Bynum at C and Cook/Turiaf at PF.
Mihm is a nice keep until Bynum develops, but if by next season Bynum is ready, Id trade Mihm for a PG a deal Id like would be for Eddie House or Leandro Barbosa, of the Suns. | lol maybe for Barbosa but no way for house. |
House's scoring 10 ppg in 17 mins, what do you think he would have with 30? Id say at least 15/4 with 2 steals. | You don't trade a decent starting center for a undersized backup SG. |
Thats why I said IF Bynum develops, and the tri doesnt require a pure PG, in fact, all of Phil's PGs were SGs. _________________ www.lakersbrasil.com
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ocho Retired Number
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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i don't want to give up mihm. _________________ 14-5-3-12 |
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LakerJam Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Mihm in a package for Boozer is still realistic. Boozer hasn't been bad, but he's hardly showing that he's worth his contract. 9 & 7 on the year, plus big contract, slowed a ridiculously long amount of time over injuries that weren't that serious, and questions of character, don't typically make teams jump at paying you 60+ million per year. The Lakers would do it, though. Boozer is attainable and assuming we don't nab one of the 5 all-star/superstar players who will be available, Mihm should be used to acquire him.
As for those advocating trading Mihm, whose an athletic 7 footer putting up 10/7 at 3 mill per season (cheap) for Ben Gordon who only scores but is awful at everything else, is not smart. It isn't fallacious to say you shouldn't trade big for small. It's absolutely a true rule of thumb. The only time you veer from it, is if you're acquiring a star or a player who gives you too much versatility to ignore (or if you have a lot of good bigs already). Otherwise, it's like saying that Ben Gordon's 6 pts per game (what he averages on the year over Chris Mihm), is worth the additional rebounding, post presence and shot blocking we'd lose in the trade. Sorry, but I'm not buying that at all. Mihm is our only consistent low post scorer. You don't trade him away for yet another perimeter one. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know what exactly, but it better not be less than a bonafide starter. If we can't get a two-way PF - then I rather just keep him and have depth at the C position (I don't think more than 2 teams can boast about depth there)
Jam - Boozer sounds nice, but the problem with CB is his K. I actually rather wait out another year and go after Dirk or Bosh with capspace over the idea of paying Booz that much money.
But then again, Booz could be a rebounding tough guy that is just pissed off in Utah. If he is the Booz of Cleveland - then I think he is worth it.
My mind for some reason always fluctuates on the Boozer issue. Sometimes I want him, other times I worry about his K. I just don't know which Boozer we would be getting.
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Freakout Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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Laker Lurker wrote: | I would like to see Mihm at PF before we think of trading him for a PF or in fact for anyone who can't average 15 ppg. |
Don't you think Mihm already gets in enough foul trouble? Play him at the 4 and he would live on the bench. |
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STiG909 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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Kwame has 2 decent games in a row and already you think he should start instead of Mihm? Do you say "I love you" on the 2nd date? Kwame will never ammount to the player Mihm is right now and Mihm gets a lot better each year. |
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LakerJam Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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wolfpaclaker wrote: | I don't know what exactly, but it better not be less than a bonafide starter. If we can't get a two-way PF - then I rather just keep him and have depth at the C position (I don't think more than 2 teams can boast about depth there)
Jam - Boozer sounds nice, but the problem with CB is his K. I actually rather wait out another year and go after Dirk or Bosh with capspace over the idea of paying Booz that much money.
But then again, Booz could be a rebounding tough guy that is just pissed off in Utah. If he is the Booz of Cleveland - then I think he is worth it.
My mind for some reason always fluctuates on the Boozer issue. Sometimes I want him, other times I worry about his K. I just don't know which Boozer we would be getting. |
I can see your point, but the only reason I'd still go after Boozer, is becasue right now is the time when he can be had for less than what his true value really is. The guy is a bonafide 17/10 post player, which is worth that contract. He's been out a year and is rusty and needs time to get back into a rythym. He has pissed off the Jazz and is, therefore, available. Especially if they're out of the playoffs. He'd have all summer to work back to himself, and we all know he is DYING to play for the Lakers. That eagerness would likely drive him to return to the Boozer who played for the Cavs - and that guy was a monster.
I'm also a big proponent of increasing the talent base and since Boozer would also address a need we have to add a consistent low post presence and is more talented than any player we'd trade to get him, I'd have to go for it. I don't want to blindly sacrifice the present for the future, especially when it's not necessary. I mean, it's one thing to not want to pay too much of your future for the present, but it's entirely another thing to trade lesser pieces for a greater impact guy.
Who knows what will happen. There are a lot of impact players - some great - who will be available. I'm pretty curious to see what we're looking at come training camp next season.
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LakerJam Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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STiG909 wrote: | Kwame has 2 decent games in a row and already you think he should start instead of Mihm? Do you say "I love you" on the 2nd date? Kwame will never ammount to the player Mihm is right now and Mihm gets a lot better each year. |
Considering DEFENSE wins championships and Kwame's post defense is better than any player we have, including Mihm, you're being awfully silly in reducing Kwame to nothing more than chump change.
Too many don't seem to appreciate the glamorouslessness, yet necessity, of having a superb post defender. Kwame may not be a consistent performer on offense, but he's valuable because he gives us a legit player with the strength, speed, quickness and athleticism necessary to combat the elite big men in the west. Even if most of us can't seem to appreciate that. Defense might not be pretty or stand out to you, but it DOES matter big time - especially in the post and especially in the playoffs. I have yet to see Mihm be as effective defensively against Yao, Shaq and Duncan, the way Kwame Brown has been - and that amounts to crap to you? I like Chris as a player, too, but I'd trade him over Kwame in a heartbeat - especially if the player coming back could score the ball. |
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thumpinghead Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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Mihm is not a PF
Kwame has more potential then Mihm, but Mihm is better right now bc he has a better post game and is jus as good of a defender imo
It would be hard to trade Mihm for anyone bc its hard to get talent at the C position.
I doubt anything drastic will happen with Mitch and the Lakers this summer _________________ Kevin Love. 2015. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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pjiddy wrote: | Sage_10 wrote: | #32MaGiC wrote: | Ben Gordon for Mihm and a 1st rounder?? |
I don't know man, going big for small is usually a bad idea. |
the whole "never a big for a small" is a fallacious argument, i wish people would stop using that as their sole reasoning for burning up someone's trade idea. Does that mean you wouldn't trade Brian Scalabrine for Ron Artest? I like Mihm and he does a lot of things well, but he's not an impact player and we've been playing pretty well with him only giving us 20 something minutes a night. Ben Gordon can flat out SCORE. He is a #2 that would be deadly with Kobe. He is super clutch in the 4th quarter. Having him and Kobe on the same team, the Lakers could close out every 4th quarter. It'd be like having Mariano Rivera and Eric Gagne (before injury) on the same team. |
when was ron artest a small? |
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Start Mihm at 4 and Kwame at the 5. Cook is a serious liability defensively and Mihm fits the tri better at the 4. He can shoot the rock pretty good as well. |
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