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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: Kwame or Darko? Article from Foxsports.com |
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If you were a GM of an NBA team and someone held a gun to your head and forced you to choose between taking either Darko Milicic or Kwame Brown, who would you pick and why? — Garrett
Both of these guys have NBA skills, and both are spectacularly immature. Neither was remotely prepared to play in the NBA at the onset of their careers. If both players have quick feet, Milicic has better hands and has the considerable advantage of being left-handed. Brown plays like he could be a force in the middle only once every three games. Milicic plays hard only when the stars are properly aligned.
Given that making such a decision is artificial in that it would theoretically depend on the other players already on the mythical team under my control, I would pick Brown. Why? Because he was stung to the quick by Michael Jordan's public criticisms of his game/attitude in Washington, psychological damage that, in time, can be overcome. Brown also seems more willing to share the ball. Besides, young, talented centers are much harder to find that non-centers. And, finally, Brown's power trumps Darko's cream-puff finesse.
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they-perch Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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darko has the better offensive game by far. kwame is a better man on man defender. but darko is better on the boards (defensively), shotblocking, and has a much more smooth refined post game. after seeing darko pull things together in orlando lately i really wish we could have found a way to gamble on him. all orlando gave up was cato (an expiring contract) and a first round pick. we could have thrown together something similar. oh well, i dont think anyone thought he could do what hes doing now. |
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ishi331 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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I prefer Kwame over Darko. Just cause if Kwame commits, he can be a beast. |
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AirKobe8 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Kwame >>>>>>>>>>>> Darko _________________ www.lakersbrasil.com
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uberzev Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Darko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kwame _________________ Lakers Gonna Lake |
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BraveHeartII Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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At first I wanted Darko, but Kwame is so unique in that no matter how much he sucks offensively, you can still throw him out there against the elites and he'll give you a chance to win, because of his ability to take away the post as an offensive option, which is one of the critical elements to winning a championship.
A shutdown defender is very tough to quantified. It's like Bruce Bowen vs Manu. One is more versatile, but is he necessarily more important? |
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DaggerInTheHeart Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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uberzev wrote: | Darko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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In terms of what? Kwame's defense is elite status Darko only has offense and even thats something he can't do good. |
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uberzev Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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DaggerInTheHeart wrote: | uberzev wrote: | Darko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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In terms of what? Kwame's defense is elite status Darko only has offense and even thats something he can't do good. | Best case for each would be Darko=Tim Duncan vs. Kwame=Ben Wallace. I'll take Duncan. _________________ Lakers Gonna Lake |
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Freakout Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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uberzev wrote: | Darko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Have you been drinking? |
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uberzev Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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Freakout wrote: | uberzev wrote: | Darko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kwame |
Have you been drinking? | Ok, I exagerated a bit. _________________ Lakers Gonna Lake |
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Fan0Bynum17 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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i'd say darko has about the same potential as kwame when it comes to rebounds and blocking if not better. kwame has the edge with post defense and darko having the obvious edge offensively, very smooth around the basket and has a nice jumper. kwame COULD be a ben wallace, but darko COULD be a stronger pau gasol. of course i don't think either will become them though. |
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rwongega Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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This is like comparing Pau Gasol with Jermaine O'Neal. Darko's better offensively and more polished. He can block shots and grab some boards but can't really defend straight up. Kwame can't do anything but putbacks and alley-oops. He's a good man-to-man defender (when motivated) but hasn't really been the lane defender we wanted due to lapses in concentration. For me, I'd pick Darko by a slim margin because I don't really think Kwame can overcome his concentration lapses and the overall psychological damage MJ gave him. If Kwame can develop a midrange jumper (remember, even Ben Wallace developed a jumpshot as we've seen in the Lakers-Pistons finals) and become more focused and aware of the court, then he'll edge out Darko. |
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Nahtanoj Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Kwame got way too big in the summer of 2003, he won't ever be on Big Ben's level (aerially). But I still like what he does on the ground... sometimes. |
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Kwame ill take
hands down please!!!! |
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LTD Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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Darko. |
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boricua Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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Darko by far, but obviously you are on a Lakers fans forum so ... _________________ The Kings are unbeaten in 10 home games since Artest's arrival, beating opponents by an average of 16 points per game. The Kings have won 14 of their last 18 overall, with their opponents' scoring average and shooting percentages all dropping sharply. |
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Freakout Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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boricua wrote: | Darko by far, but obviously you are on a Lakers fans forum so ... |
Oh please.
Darko is going to become a nice player in Orlando but I'd love to seen him defend Duncan like Kwame did. Both players have advantages over the other. |
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NestT Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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uberzev wrote: | DaggerInTheHeart wrote: | uberzev wrote: | Darko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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In terms of what? Kwame's defense is elite status Darko only has offense and even thats something he can't do good. | Best case for each would be Darko=Tim Duncan vs. Kwame=Ben Wallace. I'll take Duncan. |
If Darko can be as good as TD defensively(not just swatting) then Kwame can be the Next Shaq offensively.
Shaq >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Duncan.
Kwame may lapse in concentration but Darko does not give a (bleep).
Darko has the harder to solve mental problem.
I will take Kwame.
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Zhengi Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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boricua wrote: | Darko by far, but obviously you are on a Lakers fans forum so ... |
Being Laker fans has nothing to do with it. Just because this question was asked in this forum does not mean the answers given are biased. To assume as much would be ignorant.
As for the decision between the two, I admit I haven't seen much of Darko, but Kwame's post defense is good. He makes it tough for other post players to score on him and that's very important. However, Kwame isn't the type of play to anchor a defense like Ben Wallace. If Kwame ever develops that ability, then this is a no brainer. In term's of Kwame's offense, it's probably easier to teach offense than it is defense. So in that respect, I'd probably go with Kwame right now based solely on his defense and hope he comes around on offense. _________________ I'm like a Hadouken, down-right Fierce! |
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targetman Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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BraveHeartII wrote: | At first I wanted Darko, but Kwame is so unique in that no matter how much he sucks offensively, you can still throw him out there against the elites and he'll give you a chance to win, because of his ability to take away the post as an offensive option, which is one of the critical elements to winning a championship.
A shutdown defender is very tough to quantified. It's like Bruce Bowen vs Manu. One is more versatile, but is he necessarily more important? |
Word _________________ Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst. |
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targetman Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Kwame is big and agile, more so than most want to give him credit for. I don't think he'll ever be huge on offense but if we can develop him along the lines of Wallace/Rodman he could be a huge asset to any team. Look at your contenders and you will have to mention their defensive specialists, like Wallace and Bowen. Now look at your good teams without such a specialist and you will see why I value Kwame so highly. _________________ Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst. |
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twoface723 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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AirKobe8 wrote: | Kwame >>>>>>>>>>>> Darko |
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shnjb Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Zhengi wrote: | boricua wrote: | Darko by far, but obviously you are on a Lakers fans forum so ... |
Being Laker fans has nothing to do with it. Just because this question was asked in this forum does not mean the answers given are biased. To assume as much would be ignorant.
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Do you really think we are not biased, just a little, being Laker fans?
All sports fans are biased and hardcore fans, which would account for most of the fans who frequently visit this site, are usually more heavily biased. |
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MyKRo Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Kwame is 1000x better DEFENSIVE player than Darko. That alone makes him more valuable than Darko.
Lets see Darko effectively stave-off Tim Duncan and Shaq like Kwame has done. |
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Raptor2k Star Player
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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Freakout wrote: | boricua wrote: | Darko by far, but obviously you are on a Lakers fans forum so ... |
Oh please.
Darko is going to become a nice player in Orlando but I'd love to seen him defend Duncan like Kwame did. Both players have advantages over the other. |
You mean...an injured Duncan?
Just pointing that out. I didn't watch the game, so I can't tell if it was Duncan not doing well or if it were Kwame actually getting it done. _________________ "I accepted their challenge. I accepted the doubt of everyone who spoke on my downfall and used their words as fuel. I have a franchise to resurrect, a city of fans to uplift." |
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