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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:06 pm    Post subject: Do you guys agree with ProBasketballNews.com?

Lakers' All-Time Teams

First Team

C - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1975-89)

F - James Worthy (1982-94)

F - Elgin Baylor (1958-72)

G - Jerry West (1960-74)

G - Magic Johnson (1979-91, '95-96)



Second Team

C - Shaquille O'Neal (1996-2003)

F - Vern Mikkelsen (1949-59)

F - Jamaal Wilkes (1977-85)

G - Kobe Bryant (1996-present)

G - Norm Nixon (1977-83)

BEST PLAYER

Magic Johnson

BEST COACH

Pat Riley (1981-90)

http://www.probasketballnews.com/la_lakers.html

^^I say Magic is the greatest NBA player and Laker of all time. That much I give them. But to put Jerry West above Kobe? I know he is the logo, but...

Anyway, what do you guys think?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:11 pm    Post subject:

No Wilt? That's whack!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject:

By the time Kobe retires, he will be on the 1st team Lakers.
Heck, by the time he retires, if he wins an MVP and a title, he will be a top 5 player in my book.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:16 pm    Post subject:

Geez...

Start him at PF with Kareem!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:25 pm    Post subject:

It appears that an important criteria they are using is longevity with the Lakers. Thus Shaq makes it over Wilt and West over Kobe. Also, Riley over Phil. It's their opinion so I don't have a problem with it.

I wouldn't have said it a year ago but I would now put Kobe over West. Kobe is more athletic, arguably more clutch and has won more championships than West.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject:

Much respect to Jerry West for being one of the all time greats. He is such a huge part of NBA and Laker history. But cmon, individually Kobe Bryant is supreme. There is not a single player past or present that Kobe does not equal or surpass in terms of pure ability. In my mind he is currently the second best SG ever and by the end of his career could be regarded as one of the Top 3 Greatest of All Time. Gotta have him 1st Team All-Laker.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:29 pm    Post subject:

Norm Nixon over Gail Goodrich? I don't think so! Isn't Goodrich in the Hall of Fame?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject:

That list looks spot on to me. If everything goes as it should then I'd probably move Kobe up to the first team within 5 years time, but right now I'd keep West there.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:34 pm    Post subject:

puajibai wrote:
Much respect to Jerry West for being one of the all time greats. He is such a huge part of NBA and Laker history. But cmon, individually Kobe Bryant is supreme. There is not a single player past or present that Kobe does not equal or surpass in terms of pure ability. In my mind he is currently the second best SG ever and by the end of his career could be regarded as one of the Top 3 Greatest of All Time. Gotta have him 1st Team All-Laker.


Well he is Mr. Clutch, and one of the greatest shooters of all time.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:40 pm    Post subject:

Call me crazy... but I would have put Horry on the 2nd team... Horry is as clutch as anyone who has ever put on a Laker uniform. His shot vs the Kings will never die... greatest shot in Laker history bar none... He always stepped up like that in the post season... ridicule him all you want for his final year with the Lakers... he had a bad post season... but I'd still want him at forward at least on the second team... Also he could gaurd both the 4 and the 3 spot.

A great player. Deserves mention on this thread.

and yes... Kobe over the Logo... 81 and more championships... make that a no brainer.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject:

Kobe is the G.O.A.T... so no, don't agree with it at all... after his legacy is over though, there will be no more questions...
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 7:54 pm    Post subject:

West was more of a 6'2" or 6'3" lead guard. He averaged 27ppg for his career, so he was outstanding. I would give the edge to Magic at the lead guard spot. Kobe is a SG.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:14 pm    Post subject:

First team

MAGIC
KOBE
BAYLOR
WORTHY
SHAQ


I play that team against any other team in the history of the NBA.

As for the best team of all time.


MAGIC
JORDAN
BIRD
RUSSELL
SHAQ


2nd team


OSCAR
KOBE
PIPPEN
DUNCAN
HAKEEM


3rd team


STOCKTON
WEST
BAYLOR
MALONE
WILT


Worthy of mention.

KAREEM
MIKAN
PISTOL PETE
BOB CUSY
GAIL
WORTHY


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:20 pm    Post subject:

P X wrote:
First team

MAGIC
KOBE
BAYLOR
WORTHY
SHAQ


I play that team against any other team in the history of the NBA.

As for the best team of all time.


MAGIC
JORDAN
BIRD
RUSSELL
SHAQ


2nd team


OSCAR
KOBE
PIPPEN
DUNCAN
HAKEEM


3rd team


STOCKTON
WEST
BAYLOR
MALONE
WILT


Worthy of mention.

KAREEM
MIKAN
PISTOL PETE
BOB CUSY
GAIL
WORTHY


I know i'm missing someone else, feel free to make changes.


IMO, Hakeem should be ahead of Shaq. Hakeem (prime) > Shaq (prime)
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject:

Russell was a center.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject:

Imagine Russell as a weakside defender. Rodman and Ben Wallce are poor man's version of Bill Russell. I'd stick Russell at PF too. Considering the other 4 positions are offensive juggernauts.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject:

You got me there, i was about to put Hakeem as the best center of all time, which maybe he is, however, i went with Shaq because of his dominance, his brute power.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject:

Angel

Russell was 6'10, in this day and age, he would be the best power forward in the game.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject:

P X wrote:
You got me there, i was about to put Hakeem as the best center of all time, which maybe he is, however, i went with Shaq because of his dominance, his brute power.


Just a matter of preference. Would've been nice to see Shaq of 2000 battle Hakeem of 94. Shaq wasn't in his prime when Hakeem abused him in 95.

I think Shaq would've created problems for Hakeem with his brute strength. But I consider Hakeem a more cerebral player. Has more offensive weapons. Both would've gotten fouls on each other.

I give Hakeem an edge in team defense. And with the game on the line, Hakeem can actually take the bigs off the dribble. I wouldn't want to see Shaq at the FT line with the game in limbo either.

As with Kobe versus Jerry, I'll wait til Kobe's career is over before passing judgement. It's a delicate issue.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:35 pm    Post subject:

I can definitely understand why Jerry was taken over Bryant. West went to the Finals what, 9 times? First player to win Finals MVP even though he lost the championship? Averaging 40ppg for several series to get the Lakers back into the Finals? All of those underrated Defensive Player credentials?

Yeah, I can understand that. The game has changed dramatically, and I do think Bryant now would whoop West at his peak, but for West's time, in a sense, he was Kobe Bryant. Narrow-minded, dogged work ethic, stubborn, clutch.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject:

Why isn't samaki Walker on the list?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:38 pm    Post subject:

o yea easily kobe i say...but here's my starting five laker team

point guard: magic
shooting guard: kobe
center: shaq
small forward: elgin baylor
power forward: james worthy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:40 pm    Post subject:

as far as the greatest laker of all time, just because i grew up watching Kobe and still watching him and loving his game and him as a person. of course i gotta say Kobe is the greatest. Magic is a close second tho but if i were to have lived in Magic's generation while growing up, my choice might be different.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:40 pm    Post subject:

Chrome Hearts wrote:
P X wrote:
First team

MAGIC
KOBE
BAYLOR
WORTHY
SHAQ


I play that team against any other team in the history of the NBA.

As for the best team of all time.


MAGIC
JORDAN
BIRD
RUSSELL
SHAQ


2nd team


OSCAR
KOBE
PIPPEN
DUNCAN
HAKEEM


3rd team


STOCKTON
WEST
BAYLOR
MALONE
WILT


Worthy of mention.

KAREEM
MIKAN
PISTOL PETE
BOB CUSY
GAIL
WORTHY


I know i'm missing someone else, feel free to make changes.


IMO, Hakeem should be ahead of Shaq. Hakeem (prime) > Shaq (prime)



hakeem over shaq in prime, excuse me while i again
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:42 pm    Post subject:

my first all NBA team of all time would be....

Point Guard: Magic
Shooting Guard: Kobe
Center: Wilt
Small Foward: Mike
Power Forward: Bill Russell (yeayea i kno he's a center, but i couldnt keep either him or wilt off the first team) haha hate me or luv me
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