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Mike@LG · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:42 pm Post subject:

^I wouldn't be laughing. Look over their career accomplishments. At least Hakeem had competition in Ewing and David Robinson.
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lakers0505 · Franchise Player Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 10701

i personally still dont give a damn about shaq since the trade, but accomplisment aside, numbers etc. Shaq O'neal was un touchable during the 3 peat, no one , could touch him, then or in history, ill give him props for that, he was pure dominance as easy two point u can ever get.

Mike@LG · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 10:52 pm Post subject:

In one season? Sure. In prime? I think Olajuwon was sorely underrated. So is Kareem for that matter.
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Dylandogg · Starting Rotation Joined: 13 Apr 2001 Posts: 680

First off, I don't get the worthy at power forward rating? He played SF when I watched the games. (Rambis/green were the PF). I would not put Worthy against Malone, etc.

Second, I can see an argument for putting Shaq over Wilt, but over Kareem? C'mon!

So,
1st team
PG- Magic
SG- KOBE
SF- Worthy/Elgin (tie)
PF- Malone
C- Kareem

2nd team
PG- LOGO
SG- Gail
SF- Worthy/elgin
PF- Mickkelsen
C- Wilt (Shaq 3rd)

ALL TIME (OUT OF POSITION ALLOWED)
PG- MAGIC
SG- JORDON
SF- BIRD
PF- HAKEEM
C- KAREEM

lakers0505 · Franchise Player Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 10701

Kareem, gets it for longevity, and not being a greedy bastard. But , ill give u shaq' two most dominant seasons were probably the first two title runs. I know hakeem has more range than shaq, but i think he was overshadowed , like most players during the 90 l, by M.J. His back 2 back championships, get that ," u know , he got it because m.j retired" type of reaction, but i would have loved too see hakeem and m.j square off, anyone thing they could of beaten the bulls?

Dylandogg · Starting Rotation Joined: 13 Apr 2001 Posts: 680

How about a 60's/70's vs 80'/90's vs 2000

60/70
PG- Oscar
SG- LOGO
SF- Elgin
PF- Russell(out of pos)
C- Wilt

Bench- Pistol pete, Hondo, Reed

80's/90'
PG- MAGIC
SG- Jordo
SF- BIRD
PF- McHale(hate him, but)
C- Kareem

Bench- Dr. J , Moses, Hakeem, K. Malone, Stockton

2000
PG-Nash
SG- Kobe
SF- lebron
PF- duncan
C- Shaq

lakers0505 · Franchise Player Joined: 23 Jun 2005 Posts: 10701

Nash has basically ripped away the best pg of the decade away from J.kidd , with these two spectacular years. Im sure a certain chris paul will have something too say about that, but he isnt near complete as nash, if he ever gets the shooting nash has , watch out. Yea its crazy he;s a rookie and we can talk about like that..

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angel · Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:44 pm Post subject:

I can understand why someone would take Jordan at SG. Kobe may eventually outperform him, but Jordan has the lifetime achievements in the bank already.
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THE_SHOES · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:33 am Post subject:

It's hard to argue about those lineups...You compare todays competition with yesterdays competition. You look at rule changes. The league was smaller, and talent may have been better due to less teams spreading out the "real dawgs" like todays NBA with it's cap controls. Remember West, Baylor, and Chamberlin didn't have to deal with Crawford, Javie, Bavetta, and Salvatore!

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Muad'Dib · Star Player Joined: 19 Sep 2004 Posts: 3903

Regardless of how you would mix those players up (and I would've included Goodrich at the expense of Nixon)--first team or second team--

--look at that squad 1-10!!!

And that doesn't even include Wilt!

Freaking nuts!

Gepetto · Starting Rotation Joined: 17 Feb 2003 Posts: 694

I'm surprised more of you aren't supporting Kareem as the all-time best Laker center. Seriously - I'd take him over Shaq in any era. Besides he (like Olajuwon, who I also like better than Shaq) had real competition. I bet Cap would say to Shaq if this ever came up: "You try dragging Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!"

Kobe vs West: getting closer all the time, but those of you who pick Kobe hands down don't know about West or his impact on the game. Hell, you're probably not even looking up his career stats. However, it's finally an equal discussion,, and I do expect Kobe to rise above him by career's end.

numero-ocho · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:55 am Post subject:

No disprespect to West, but I'd put Kobe ahead of him simply because West never had the burden of having to carry the franchise by himself.

F - Baylor
F - Worthy
C - Kareem
G - Magic
G - Kobe

Mikkelson was way before my time, so I can't vote for him. Wilkes, OTOH, I remember very well. The HOF committee may disagree but, IMO, he was every bit as good in his prime as Worthy without the flash. I give Big Game the edge because he had a longer career with the team.

F - Wilkes
F - McMillan/Hairston
C - Shaq
G - West
G - Goodrich

AirKobe8 · Star Player Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 8586

My all time Lakers 12 would be:

C - Wilt
PF - The Captain
SF - Kobe
SG - Logo
PG - Magic

Bench:

Shaq
Mikan
Worthy
Elgin
Coop
Goodrich
Vlade or Nixon
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Buck32 · Star Player Joined: 30 Apr 2001 Posts: 7325

I agree completely with ProBasketball News' all-time Laker team. No if's or but's (like "but Kobe will be there in 5 years").

As for Kareem vs. the other great centers, he's always been underrated. He dominated from the get go when he gave the Bucks a title on his soph year. He won in HS, college and the pros. He dominated without being the biggest or strongest (ala Wilt) or being surrounded by HOF'ers 2 to 10 (ala Russell).
He scored on everybody, even though everybody knew how he was going to score.
He has as many rings as Jordan. Can be the top dog on his team, and also graciously giving way to a young leader when necessary. The only knock was his aloofness, but that's not even bball related.

B_Rabbit1212 · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:20 am Post subject:

All lakers first team:

Magic, Kobe, Elgin, Worthy, Kareem

second team:

Goodrich, West, Wilkens/Cooper, Wilt, Shaq

Honorable Mention: Bob McAdoo, Mikkelson, Norm Nixon, George Mikan, Happy.

All Teams All Time:

Magic, Jordan, Oscar/Bird, Russell, Kareem.

2nd Team All Time:

Stockton, Kobe, Oscar/Bird, Duncan, Hakeem.

Texas_Pete · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:31 am Post subject:

Vlade · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: