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akula Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:39 am Post subject: |
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can some one post a comparison of Odom vs Magic Johnson? |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Lamar doesn't have Magic's hoop IQ, post game, and absolutely refined ball-handling/passing skills.
Nowhere near as intuitive. Similar skill levels in terms of triple threat skills in a 6'9"+ package.
That's it.
As for Odom, he's no freak athletically, he's no slouch either. Definitely above average with elite SF size to pick up for the lack of speed. Wingspan. Long strides. Long frame. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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kbmvp05 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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C'mon guys, Lamar is a very gifted athlete, he is fast has a good dribble and can penetrate at will. He just needs more basketball sense (maybe Pip and PJ will each him) and he will be an all star level player. _________________ proud Laker fan from PR |
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jwbrown77 Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know how many times I've said this, but I'll say it again...
No one in this league can keep Lamar from getting to the basket.
This means that if Lamar ever figures this out, he's going to be lethal both scoring wise and passing wise.
Getting to the rim is a difficult skill to master, but he's got it down. Now comes four things:
1. Get a bit better at finishing at the rim. (He has the length to allow for this)
2. Get a bit more refined at passing off the dribble (again, good enough court vision to accomplish this, needs the right guys around him)
3. Get Kobe to stop dominating the dribble. Make him play off the ball.
4. THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT: Have some frickin FAITH in your abilities! Stop getting timid and take the ball to the rim. Be more aggresive! |
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kbmvp05 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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yeah, agressiveness is the key 4 him _________________ proud Laker fan from PR |
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stlalkb Sixth Man
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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PF=Point Foward |
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AllorNothing Franchise Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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I thought Lamar did lose weight before coming to the Lakers thinking that he would be more of an initiator. I think he was 10 lbs less than when he was in Miami. |
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SV_18 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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lamar did lose some weight before coming here..not so sure if it was 10 lbs or not...and i agree with that lamar definitely HAS to get agressive |
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Voice Of Reason Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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One thing I definitely have noticed is that he is a terror in the open court. When he has the mindset and says, "Okay, I want to get to the basket" there is absolutely nobody in the league that can stop him. Remember your coaches screaming to stop the ball? There is no way you can stop a 6'10" dude with his kind of ballhandling skills from getting to the hole.
The problem with him has always been consistency. He can definitely take guys off the dribble, but he doesn't do it nearly enough. He needs to finish stronger, but that's not as big of a concern as him actually getting to the rim regularly.
He is definitely Phil's kind of player. No he's not the defender or the dunker that Pippen was, but I think Phil is dreaming of offensive sets to iso Odom in the post then move out slightly and take PFs off the dribble. Or to overpower SFs. He wants Kobe to be the wing scorer. The physical skills are all there, and it's all about getting him into the right mental attitude. And really, is there a better coach for that? |
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Luca Brasi Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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LakerLanny wrote: | Odom rebounded very well for the Lakers last season, better than I had hoped in my wildest dreams.
His defense was not good and his offensive game could use a lot of work (does he have any move other than the left handed drive with the soft finish and requisite charging foul on the flop?) but overall, he is long and lanky and fairly athletic and somewhat interesting in that he forever teases with his upside.
It will be interesting to see if Phil Jackson can help raise his game. I hold out hope for Lamar Odom, with a big bulky player helping him out inside, he definitely can do some damage. And the Lakers went into the tank once he got hurt, he was arguably more key than Kobe to last year's team because he was the only guy who could clear a rebound, ever. |
Averaged more rebounds than Shaq last year, but that's not saying much. |
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#StayInYoLane Star Player
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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true talk by both men........ odom has potenial but just didnt play in the right posiiton |
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ThaLakeShow Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Tierre could get to the basket at will, too! |
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A Mad Chinaman Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:08 am Post subject: |
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As Sir Charles has stated:
Once Caron/LO have a meaner mindset and passion to playing winning basketball, they will climb to the next level of basketball excellence. Their passiveness has been their downfall. However, Caron at the end of the season provided a glimpse of what he can do and LO has shown that he can take KG to the hole multiple times (as done in a past TWolves game).
I agree that a better comparson/goal for LO is to become another Magic-type player slash Pippen |
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angel Franchise Player
Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 14226 Location: city of angels
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:51 am Post subject: |
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Hopefully, some of Scottie will rub off on Lamar, and the others for that matter. _________________ "Darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate. Only love can do that." ~~Martin Luther King Jr.~~ |
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c728 Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:29 am Post subject: |
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Voice Of Reason wrote: | One thing I definitely have noticed is that he is a terror in the open court. When he has the mindset and says, "Okay, I want to get to the basket" there is absolutely nobody in the league that can stop him. Remember your coaches screaming to stop the ball? There is no way you can stop a 6'10" dude with his kind of ballhandling skills from getting to the hole.
The problem with him has always been consistency. |
A closely related issue is that he needs a coach to light a fire under his ass. He's a mild, mellow, fairly passive personality by nature. I'm interested to see what Phil can do for him (noting that Phil teaches in his 1st year with a team). _________________ Lakers |
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kbmvp05 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:16 am Post subject: |
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He needs some motivation and he needs the ball in his hands, he cant perform well off the ball and that's a fact _________________ proud Laker fan from PR |
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B_P Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:21 am Post subject: |
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As some of you have said - it's all about DEFENSE with Lamar. Charles Barkley is right - if Odom can kick up his intensity level, he can take that "next step" as an NBA player. And I think that intensity should start with his defense.
If I'm Phil, I tell him that all I want him to think about this summer is rehabbing his shoulder and DEFENSE. I'd say, "Lamar, we're going to utilize all of your skills on offense, so don't worry about that - but I want you to dedicate yourself to becoming an all-league defender this year. I want you to make defense your PASSION. I want you to make it your mission this year to stopping your man every game and I want you to make an impact in every game with great HELP-OUT defense as well."
Weather or not he actually makes the all-defensive team this year isn't really the point (although, how dope would that be!), but just the fact that he's now made playing passionate defense a priority in his game is what's important.
Once that's in there, the physical part will take care of itself. He has all the tools, he just needs to change his mindset. _________________ Everything. Changes.
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AllorNothing Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Lamar has poor lateral movement however, he does take big strides. Hopefully, this will all come down in practice. |
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Bystander Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:31 am Post subject: |
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So Lamar is guard??? And all those talks about playing him as SF. |
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Bystander wrote: | So Lamar is guard??? And all those talks about playing him as SF. |
Phil Jackson would tell you that in the triangle offense, MJ played SF while Pippen played guard. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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*Purple&Gold* Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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Lamar has the talent to take over a game at any given moment...and we need players like that! I dont believe we have seen the best he has to offer in LA yet, so keep your fingers crossed. |
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KwamesMyGuy Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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i think with pips guidance and odom playing the sf spot he can avg 1.5bpg -2bpg and over 1 steal per game. that should help get him consideration for the defensive team. im hoping for some numbers like 18ppg 9rebs 6ast 2bpg 1.4spg _________________ "Formerly known as The_Butler_Did_It"
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Awfully extreme defensive expectations.
Odom isn't the athlete Pippen was. It's like turning Fisher into a 2stlpg player just because he had a great defensive coach.
Defensive coaches can't instill great physical attributes defensively. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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KwamesMyGuy Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Mike@LG wrote: | Awfully extreme defensive expectations.
Odom isn't the athlete Pippen was. It's like turning Fisher into a 2stlpg player just because he had a great defensive coach.
Defensive coaches can't instill great physical attributes defensively. |
odom is more physically gifted than pip but he doesnt possess the same attitude for defense. i think the blocks can come easier but the steals will be harder to get. hes 6'10 playing sf which has an avg height of probably 6'7 6'8. _________________ "Formerly known as The_Butler_Did_It"
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Mike@LG Moderator
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Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Odom is more physically gifted in height. That's it.
Pippen had better vert, lateral quickness, floor speed, footwork, and equal 7' wingspan.
If you're going to be an elite All-NBA defender, you better have the almost all the necessary physical tools outside of defensive mentality just to improve. _________________ Resident Car Nut.
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