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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:38 am    Post subject:

also al franken's "lies, and the lying liars who tell them" and "truth: with jokes"
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject:

Catcher in the Rye seems like a favorite...same with me..
LOTR- used to read it once a year..
Narnia.. not as good as Tolkien..but still worth it..

those searching for something should consider Donald Miller. a book called "blue like jazz" was amazing..

I started reading Da Vinci...its pretty good...i'm really enjoying it. We need to remember that this book is FICTION. Dan Brown is not a historian..as we all know from all the dates he gets wrong. Either way..good stuff..

There's a great leadership book called "Five disfunctions of a team." I believe by Lencioni...great read..
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PostPosted: Thu May 11, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject:

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Imna tell you which one I do NOT recommend: The Da Vinci Code.

Many ppl making a buzz over this book but its all based on unproved facts, it took National Geographic a half an hour documentary to put that book away. And Im not saying that cuz Im religious or something, cuz Im not, but that book was total BS.


word...it was the worst ever.

Sun Tzu - art of war

life lesson peeps
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 5:53 am    Post subject:

bump.

This is a good thread, we need more input.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 6:57 am    Post subject:

mbloves L.A. wrote:
angrypuppy wrote:
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Breakfast of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut.

Slaughterhouse Five - Kurt Vonnegut

1984 - George Orwell

My own biography - Me.



Have you tried Cat's Cradle? Perhaps Kilgore Trout's best novel, and totally aligned with your love of the Orwellian negative utopia.


Just started reading it, page 5 I believe.



Finished it about 2 days ago, really good, but was confused by which part aligned with 1984. Saw you later post and yeah I got it now, actually I read the back of Player piano yesterday and now contemplating which book goes with me today? Timequake or Player Piano?
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 7:11 am    Post subject:

mbloves L.A. wrote:
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mbloves L.A. wrote:
Breakfast of Champions - Kurt Vonnegut.

Slaughterhouse Five - Kurt Vonnegut

1984 - George Orwell

My own biography - Me.



Have you tried Cat's Cradle? Perhaps Kilgore Trout's best novel, and totally aligned with your love of the Orwellian negative utopia.


Just started reading it, page 5 I believe.



Finished it about 2 days ago, really good, but was confused by which part aligned with 1984. Saw you later post and yeah I got it now, actually I read the back of Player piano yesterday and now contemplating which book goes with me today? Timequake or Player Piano?




I corrected my original post, and flagged it as I made a mistake a little later that day. Though I loved Cat's Cradle, it's Player Piano that is the negative utopia.

I loved 1984, yet I'm a bit divided on Orwell's character, as the novel was in no uncertain terms a plagarized version of Eugene Zamiatin's We, a book that Orwell reviewed in the London Times a couple of decades prior).

Player Piano is a bit different than 1984 or We, though there are parallels. In some ways Player Piano (though more subtle) has more application within a professional subculture in society, which may perhaps have a spillover on a grander scale.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject:

DUNE

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 2:51 pm    Post subject:

I recommend Color Atlas of Human Anatomy by Thieme.

Great book with a lot of pictures.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 3:24 pm    Post subject:

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DUNE



lol, those were great books...

I'd have to recommend almost anything by James Michener, specifically, Hawaii which is a dramatization of the actual history of Hawaii starting with the beggining through WWII. Awesome book...he also has a book called Caribbean which is quite good.

If you're looking for a book thats difficult to read but will change your life try Remembrances of Things Past by Marcel Proust...some of it rambles, but do an internet search about Proust and you'll see why the work is so important. Its translated from French, but has some important realizations about life.

I also highly recommend Battlefield Earth by L Ron Hubbard...awesome book, horrible movie.

I'm gonna have to go back through this thread and see what books I have to read!
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject:

^^ I thought you didn't read dirka dirka.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 3:37 pm    Post subject:

I just finished reading "Shake Hands With The Devil'. It's by LGen Romeo Dallaire who was a Canadian peacekeeper in Rwanda when the genocide happened over there and the whole international community didnt give a damn . It's very educational in the issue of third world development and the moral obligation of the west to assist those in need. This man screamed for help when no one was listening but he never stopped screaming. The story of the genocide was absolutely horrifying but I could'nt put it down.
Truly one of the most powerful political books ever...
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 3:53 pm    Post subject:

I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell- Tucker Max

Soon to be out there:

Alphabet of Manliness- Maddox
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 5:37 pm    Post subject:

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I just finished reading "Shake Hands With The Devil'. It's by LGen Romeo Dallaire who was a Canadian peacekeeper in Rwanda when the genocide happened over there and the whole international community didnt give a damn . It's very educational in the issue of third world development and the moral obligation of the west to assist those in need. This man screamed for help when no one was listening but he never stopped screaming. The story of the genocide was absolutely horrifying but I could'nt put it down.
Truly one of the most powerful political books ever...




I'll look for it, thanks. Now that we're on the continent, a couple of great African novels:

Best African novel, by an African: Things Fall Apart, Chinua Achebe.

First Runner-up, African novel by an African: The Palm-Wine Drinkard, Amos Tutuola


Best "White Man in the Tropics": Heart of Darkness, Joseph Conrad
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 6:52 pm    Post subject:

KOBE8LAMAR7 wrote:
To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee---I read it..and we're reading it in class right now..good book. I'm sure most of you read it already...no need for a summary...


One of my all time favorites. On a related note, check out the movie Capote.

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All Harry Potter Books, hehehe!!!

Popular for a reason. Very creative and superb use of antagonists.

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I've read one book my last 4 years, and it's a good one....
Cry, The Beloved Country
It's about Apartheid and forgiveness.


If you like the topic, "Biko" by Donald Wood, which was made into the movie "Cry Freedom", is a good read. The movie is excellent, if you aren't a reader.


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Sun Tzu - art of war

Always good, often applied to business or even Lakers.

Booby wrote:

Also The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand

Have you read Atlas Shrugged? I thought that was better. Although, the objectivist philosophy may rub some folks in this thread the wrong way. But, a very good book.

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Dan Brown sucks as a writer. I could not finish any of Digital Fortress, Angels and Demons, or Da Vinci Code. And I had English as one of my majors in college. Dean Koontz also sucks, I can't finish his crap either.


I read the Dan Brown books on CD while painting a couple of bedrooms. Digital Fortress is dull. The others were better, especially if you just consider it a thriller and don't get caught up in the debates. Pretty easy to get through books that way when multi tasking on mindless stuff.

Dean Koontz has some real hit and miss. Some of his stuff is just crappy. But a great, great read is Life Expectancy. Most people I've suggested that to have loved it. Some brilliant lines in there.


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The recent publication of Lost Gospel of Judas and theatrical release of Da Vinci code have made me hunger for some early Christian history. And yes, I realize the latter work is grossly inaccurate, but I'd like to learn more about how the early religion evolved.


There is a book out right now, Misquoting Jesus, which is probably of interest to you. The same author also wrote another book, The Lost Christianities. Both get into the early history in an academic fashion, the battles for the heart of the religion, forgeries and problems in translations of the Bible. Good reads.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject:

Anybody read Rich Dad Poor Dad? Heard a lot of good things about this book.

Also anyone read any Earnest Hemingway? I've been thinking about reading his stuff?
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject:

Drifts wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo - Edmund Dantes reminds me of Kobe so much...
Without Remorse - Mr. Clark's story.


The Count of Monte Cristo is one of my favorites.

Also liked Frankenstein a lot, much much different than the movie.

Animal Farm is another classic.

I've read all of the Sherlock Holmes and most of the Agatha Chrities.

Also enjoyed Perry Mason mysteries.
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2006 4:03 am    Post subject:

Zhengi wrote:
^^ I thought you didn't read dirka dirka.


what gave you that idea??? lol, actually sometimes I don't read because I have a reading problem, if a book is good, I cannot put it down.

end up reading all night, all the next day, etc...

I'm more of a recovering readaholic.
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:02 pm    Post subject:

Guys, I've been reading Clacy for a while now...I'm planning to read Cussler. Who's better, Clancy or Cussler?
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2006 6:35 pm    Post subject:

Other books I like:

To Kill a Mockingbird
First They Killed My Father
Animal Farm
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:04 am    Post subject:

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Booby wrote:

Also The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand

Have you read Atlas Shrugged? I thought that was better. Although, the objectivist philosophy may rub some folks in this thread the wrong way. But, a very good book.




I prefer Altas Shrugged as well, though I find her characters a bit too "cartoon" like. If you've ever read any "scientific socialism" works, you'll find the same character simplification. I find "objectivism" to be a bit too spiritually bankrupt for my liking, though it is a perspective that should be examined and respected.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 6:15 am    Post subject:

DocK36 wrote:
Drifts wrote:
The Count of Monte Cristo - Edmund Dantes reminds me of Kobe so much...
Without Remorse - Mr. Clark's story.


The Count of Monte Cristo is one of my favorites.




I never made it to The Count. I spent some of my deformative years in high school reading (on the sly) some of Dumas' D'Artagnan novels:

The Three Musketeers
Twenty Years After
The Vicomte de Bragelonne

I never made it through the last, which in its complete edition actually contains Man in the Iron Mask.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:16 pm    Post subject:

The Tipping point: Malcolm Gladwell

Good to Great: Jim Collins

The Historian: Elizabeth Kostova (This is a great book....it's a puzzle book in the vein of Da Vinci Code...only this book tracks Dracula, or Vlad the Impailer...much, much better than Da Vinci Code IMO)

The Preacher: Ennis/Dillon (If you are into Graphic Novels....you HAVE to read thise series.)

The Watchmen:Alan Moore. Another great graphic novel...going to be a movie soon.

Shadow Divers: Robert Kurson. Great read about two American Divers in NJ who risk everything to dive down to a sunken german uboat from ww2. True story.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject:

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I find "objectivism" to be a bit too spiritually bankrupt for my liking, though it is a perspective that should be examined and respected.


Well, and rightly so (re: spiritually bankrupt)... I mean it is called "object"ivism.

Her philosophical problems could best be seen in her personal life, which was a mess at times. She had trouble with reconciling the inner vs. the outer, IMO. And while she was good at cornering dogma, she was over the top trying to stamp out spirituality. Her characters sometimes flat in a sense because she was...as was her ideal person. Having said all that, there are a lot of truths in Atlas Shrugged. Sound truths about the ethical battle between the group vs. the individual and when the group goes too far. That is where she is at her best, IMO.


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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject:

surfbu wrote:
The Tipping point: Malcolm Gladwell


Good book, especially if you do something in marketing.

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Shadow Divers: Robert Kurson. Great read about two American Divers in NJ who risk everything to dive down to a sunken german uboat from ww2. True story.


I'll admit, I'm a sucker for submarine movies and stories. I'll have to check this one out.
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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 4:49 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
angrypuppy wrote:

I find "objectivism" to be a bit too spiritually bankrupt for my liking, though it is a perspective that should be examined and respected.


Well, and rightly so (re: spiritually bankrupt)... I mean it is called "object"ivism.

Her philosophical problems could best be seen in her personal life, which was a mess at times. She had trouble with reconciling the inner vs. the outer, IMO. And while she was good at cornering dogma, she was over the top trying to stamp out spirituality. Her characters sometimes flat in a sense because she was...as was her ideal person. Having said all that, there are a lot of truths in Atlas Shrugged. Sound truths about the ethical battle between the group vs. the individual and when the group goes too far. That is where she is at her best, IMO.


I hope my reply didn't sound too dry. The book is written on a couple of levels and people should be able to enjoy it without having to think too much about Rand and her philosophies. She does a good job of making a compelling story and fitting her beliefs in there.
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