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who you prefer to see in purple and yellow next year? |
Odom |
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Butler |
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pipios Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject: Butler or Odom |
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who do you want to keep? |
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djb Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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I'd rather see Butler in Magenta and Gold. _________________ Los Angeles Lakers |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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I think I'll start a poll myself.
How many Butler or Odom polls will we see before the end of the summer?
I think we're in the 20's so far. |
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BIGMAN Moderator
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I like Butler, but he is does not fill a need that Odom does. Odom has been somewhat disappointing. that said it makes more sense to trade Butler. Of course you trade Odom for a big forward with real talent, hmm? _________________ When will they be good again? "Sooner than later," Kobe Bryant said. |
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Sky Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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Odom. He can't be dealt for a quality starting 4 given his contract and the shoudler surgery. Butler, a pick and last years can get Boozer or Magloire. Odom cannot. He makes too much for Utah and they don't need him, New Orleans wants to draft Marvin Williams.
The Lakers must add a new 4 that puts the power in power forward or it's right back to the lottery. Only Butler can get a starting 4 in realistic trade. The MLE can't deliver a starting 4, just a nice backup in Birdman. The draft can't deliver a starting 4, the 4's are projects that will require years. The starting 4 can only come in trade, Odom cannot retrieve one while Butler can, therefore Butler has to go. No brainer.
I know you're going to be really angry with Kupchak if he deals Butler pipios, but this team goes nowhere without a new starting 4. Bigger picture prirorities are at play. Come up with a realistic Odom trade for a quality starting 4 and you can keep Butler. Otherwise, vaya con dios Caron. |
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drzucchini Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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Where is the "Neither" option? |
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cital Star Player
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject: |
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I dont think this is a fair question because (in reality) we don't know what we can get for one or the other. I might keep one player only because of what the other player could get us in a trade. But if all things were equal I would keep Odom. I just think he is more of a player than Butler, I like Butler's passion and he is a better outside shooter, but Odom was very uncomfortable this season and he was playing out of position plus Odom is more of what we need at this point. |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Easy decision for me - Caron should stay and Lamar should go. To tell you the truth, I don't see how Lamar moving to the 3 will make that much of a difference. He might score an extra 2 or 3 points a game, but his rebounds will go down. He has the length to guard SF's, but he doesn't have the lateral speed. He's the prototypical 'tweener, only he comes at an 8 figure price tag. He's good but he's just not worth that kind of money in my eyes. |
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CBaller8 Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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How many SF's could actually take Lamar Odom off the dribble? Rashard Lewis...no, his handle isn't good enough. Peja...no. AK-47, no b/c he lacks above average ball handling skills as well. Maybe Marion b/c he is lighting quick. The only the guy that could probably consistently take Lamar off the dribble is Ron Artest who has deceptively good handles but he's not that nearly as quick as Marion or Kirilenko. |
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GoldenSmith Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Both are worthy to have a longer probation. I think if we had a better PG and coach, as well the inside depth, the current team will certainly build chemistry. |
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wolfpaclaker Retired Number
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sky wrote: | Odom. He can't be dealt for a quality starting 4 given his contract and the shoudler surgery. Butler, a pick and last years can get Boozer or Magloire. Odom cannot. He makes too much for Utah and they don't need him, New Orleans wants to draft Marvin Williams.
The Lakers must add a new 4 that puts the power in power forward or it's right back to the lottery. Only Butler can get a starting 4 in realistic trade. The MLE can't deliver a starting 4, just a nice backup in Birdman. The draft can't deliver a starting 4, the 4's are projects that will require years. The starting 4 can only come in trade, Odom cannot retrieve one while Butler can, therefore Butler has to go. No brainer.
I know you're going to be really angry with Kupchak if he deals Butler pipios, but this team goes nowhere without a new starting 4. Bigger picture prirorities are at play. Come up with a realistic Odom trade for a quality starting 4 and you can keep Butler. Otherwise, vaya con dios Caron. |
Agreed.
However, that's assuming we can land Boozer or Magloire with Butler. If we can, great.
However if we can't, then we must not force a trade just to get power at the 4. We need to be patient Sky, and only do good deals ala Magloire/Boozer
No Kwame. No moving up in the draft unless it's for Bogut. No trading for unproven starters. |
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 1:24 am Post subject: |
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I'd keep both and start Kobe at Point Guard, Caron at Shooting Guard and Lamar at Small Forward with Lamar switching to Point Guard on offense.
I even think Phil would consider this lineup... |
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Sonicc64 Star Player
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 3:11 am Post subject: |
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ODom doesn't fit this team, without or with Phil Jack., , . . ODOm must go |
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defencewins Starting Rotation
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Odom - I agree - enough with this topic. |
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angel Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 6:59 am Post subject: Purple and Gold? |
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If it's yellow and gold, it definitely has to be Odom. _________________ "Darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate. Only love can do that." ~~Martin Luther King Jr.~~ |
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illestkb8 Starting Rotation
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Raptor2k Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 8:51 am Post subject: |
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wtf? |
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el juey Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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illestkb8 what's your problem ? _________________ I live near my avatar, Combate Beach, Cabo Rojo, PR |
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PrplReign Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Why did you resurrect this thread? Was it for the sole purpose of padding your post count by saying wtf? to speculation that occured back in May of this year? Seriously, what was the point of the rehash? |
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Hatori Hanzo Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Freedom of expression......err I dont think so _________________ if it aint broke.......shatter it |
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LakersSpirit Franchise Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Toward the end of last season, Kobe and Butler got something going, between them. I don't know if the Lakers had already decided to "showcase" Caron, or not. What I saw is that Kobe and Caron were in sync together, and acting like another "Dynamic Duo".
Having said this, however, I think that Odom has the potential of establishing the same harmony, with Kobe, if both parties agree. In addition, Lamar brings his long arms, height, and rebounding ability. Many people (including coaches) have also pointed out Lamar's ballhandling abilities.... [okay]... :roll: _________________ "Teamwork is a nebulous thing. It is as ephemeral as love, disappearing at the latest insult.".... Phil Jackson |
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Serious NBA Fan Star Player
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Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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LakersSpirit wrote: | Toward the end of last season, Kobe and Butler got something going, between them. I |
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