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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:35 pm    Post subject:

anyone on how long it usually stays in your system?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 4:06 pm    Post subject:

lakeshow03 wrote:
anyone on how long it usually stays in your system?


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THC in marijuana is rapidly absorbed by fatty tissues in various organs. Generally, traces (metabolites) of THC can be detected by standard urine testing methods several days after a smoking session. However, in chronic heavy users, traces can sometimes be detected for weeks after they have stopped using marijuana.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:01 pm    Post subject:

OK, I'll stir it up again.

ALL VICE should be legal for the exact same reasons.
Legal drugs make it LESS likely for people to use it, and safer for those that do. (example: Netherlands)
Legal Gambling makes it safe for those that gamble (examples:Vegas and On-Line sites)
Legal prostitution makes it safer for the girls, and for the guys (example:Nevada)

Regulate, Tax, Educate.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject:

JerryMagicKobe wrote:

Legal prostitution makes it safer for the girls, and for the guys (example:Nevada)

Regulate, Tax, Educate.

wat??........dude.no...prostitution is just wrong...NO on that...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject:

LakersChamps04 wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:

Legal prostitution makes it safer for the girls, and for the guys (example:Nevada)

Regulate, Tax, Educate.

wat??........dude.no...prostitution is just wrong...NO on that...


why? you may think its wrong personally...but why should it be a crime?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:02 pm    Post subject:

LakersChamps04 wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:

Legal prostitution makes it safer for the girls, and for the guys (example:Nevada)

Regulate, Tax, Educate.

wat??........dude.no...prostitution is just wrong...NO on that...


OK, then don't be a John. See how easy it was to not have some one else's business become YOUR problem. Prostitution is wrong because you have only seen the ILLEGAL version - seedy, drug infested, disease ridden exploitative kind. What about the legal brothels in Nevada, where women work WILLINGLY (and enthusiasticly) and make a TON of money. And the guys go there willingly and enthsiasticaly. Some go for a party, and some go because they have, ahem, issues (fat, old, ugly, uncool, whatever). But nowhere do you have someone who is not completley happy with the arrangements.

Condoms, safety for the girls, good hygene, no drugs (for the guys or girls), STD tests. Everyone wants to be safe and have a good time. If you don't like it, don't go. But this arrangement is better than the hookers, escorts, and massage parlors that millions go to now. At least give them a place that is safe for everyone.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:05 am    Post subject:

oh...my bad jerry...i kind of let my own personal feelings get in the way of that...to me its wrong...but still that doesn't mean it shouldn't be legalized...and i had NO idea that nevada had brothels...i always thought of prostitution the stuff you see on cops and stuff..haha...i just learned sumtin new today
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject:

LakersChamps04 wrote:
oh...my bad jerry...i kind of let my own personal feelings get in the way of that...to me its wrong...but still that doesn't mean it shouldn't be legalized...and i had NO idea that nevada had brothels...i always thought of prostitution the stuff you see on cops and stuff..haha...i just learned sumtin new today


I agree with you, LC04. It's a wierd issue, because on one hane it just seems obviously wrong. But, if both want to participate, and everyone is safe, who am I to judge?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:42 am    Post subject:

Doesn't weed have alot of riboflavin and vitamin e?????lol just playing. Gotta say that it is way more safer than ciggerettes. That's for sure.



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 12:41 pm    Post subject:

Phil wrote:
Live and let live. Free to decide for yourself as long as it doesn't hurt others.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 16, 2006 4:42 pm    Post subject:

JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Drifts wrote:
Phil wrote:
I'm getting into this late and I've spent 36 years working in the substance abuse field. For the first decade and a half I remember myself and many of my co-workers saying people that were for the legalization of drugs were insane. Then studies starting coming out that showed the generation with the highest alcoholism rate was the generation that learned their attitudes about alcohol during the prohibition years. Then, what State of our Union has the highest alcoholism rate per capita? If you remeber and know it's Utah you probably work/ed in the substance abuse field.

Slowly the research has shown conclusively. Make a substance illegal and you assure it will increase in use dramatically. it will make the users criminals and contrie that produce it will be ruled by the "lords of the fields" where it's produced.

With the decriminalization of marijuana it's use is way down. No longer for the slick hip and cool it's a useful drug for the terminally ill in most peoples minds.

If you've never seen "Traffic", easily the best movie/documentary on drugs it should be required to be seen before anyone avers an opinion on the topic.

I'm 34 years in recovery from alcoholism and drug addiction. the difference in addicts coming into the programs now versus 20 years ago is dramatic. Most addicts had 'done time" then and thier attitudes towards authority was hardened to make them anti-social and poor candidates for recovery. Now days people come in without the attitude and with their families and still social in their behavior. They recover at a much higher rate.

Cigarettes are the real drug that kills us and causes billions to society.

Almost 500, 000 die yearly. Alcohol kills 50-60 thosand. All the drugs combined don't appoach what alcohol does.

Gotta go, my wife calls.


why's that? yeah, because you can easily buy them in stores near you.

It's a sad age when 15 year olds are able to casually walk to a "weed store" with a fake ID and buy drugs legally.


It is much more difficult to get a fake ID today than it was 20 years ago whem I was underage. Yes, if someone wants to break the law and create or buy a fake ID, and then break another law by using it to purchase a substance while underage, and then break another law when consuming it underage, then they could probably get their hands on it. What is the answer? You prosecute them for the three crimes that they committed, and make drug education (in whatever form) a mandatory part of their sentenance. But it would deter the 90% of the kids who don't want to break all of those laws for weed.


I don't know about the fake ID thing. I have a lot of employees who are college students, and most of them seem to have one. From time to time, they get bored and compare for quality, and talk about how they got it. I just roll my eyes and continue walking back to my office. Kids
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 7:54 pm    Post subject:

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Alos, let's compare weed to another "societal ill" - gambling. We all heard about the terrible consequences of gambling - bookies breaking your legs and "Sopranos-type" tactics ruining lives. But sitting in a casino in Vegas is about the safest place on the planet. Why, because there is nothing but consenting adults being provided with a regulated and controlled environment in which they are free to play games of chance, provided that they do so according to the rules of the house and gamble money that they have on hand.

Are there sometimes people who lose too much and it ruins their life? Yes
Are there family members who are negatively affected by that? Yes
Is there any societal benefit to gambling, other than leisure? No

But it works when it is legal, and when it is illegal it is a mess of crime, violence, loan-sharking, and extortion. It burdens the criminal justice system, it by-passes govenment regulation, and taxation, and does nothing to deter gambling itself.

Same with drugs. Legalization, regulation, taxation and education is the ONLY thing that works. If you really want to help keep kids off of drugs, then you have to control it to put street dealers out of business, regulate it to sell only to consenting adults, tax it to raise money for education, and educate kids to the REAL consequences of drug use.

Or how about prostitution. Legalization in Nevada has cleaned up a very dirty business. The "cat-houses" regularly test the girls for STDs, require condoms, prohibit drug use, and ensure a safe place for censenting adults. Again, if it is legal, it doesn't mean it is morally right for the girl or the guy, but for those who want to do it, regulation, taxation, and education work again.


legalization doesn't make it right...I just gets you off legal troubles. But be that as it may, it's never a good thing. Maybe someday the hookers accociation of america can hold a 3-day seminar to encourage our sweet 16 yr old daughters to consider a rather fullfilling/exciting careers as legal prostitutes. "Good money, lots of fun" - let that can be their slogan.

No more saving for college funds. If you're 18, your good to go. Sweet.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject:

Drifts wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Alos, let's compare weed to another "societal ill" - gambling. We all heard about the terrible consequences of gambling - bookies breaking your legs and "Sopranos-type" tactics ruining lives. But sitting in a casino in Vegas is about the safest place on the planet. Why, because there is nothing but consenting adults being provided with a regulated and controlled environment in which they are free to play games of chance, provided that they do so according to the rules of the house and gamble money that they have on hand.

Are there sometimes people who lose too much and it ruins their life? Yes
Are there family members who are negatively affected by that? Yes
Is there any societal benefit to gambling, other than leisure? No

But it works when it is legal, and when it is illegal it is a mess of crime, violence, loan-sharking, and extortion. It burdens the criminal justice system, it by-passes govenment regulation, and taxation, and does nothing to deter gambling itself.

Same with drugs. Legalization, regulation, taxation and education is the ONLY thing that works. If you really want to help keep kids off of drugs, then you have to control it to put street dealers out of business, regulate it to sell only to consenting adults, tax it to raise money for education, and educate kids to the REAL consequences of drug use.

Or how about prostitution. Legalization in Nevada has cleaned up a very dirty business. The "cat-houses" regularly test the girls for STDs, require condoms, prohibit drug use, and ensure a safe place for censenting adults. Again, if it is legal, it doesn't mean it is morally right for the girl or the guy, but for those who want to do it, regulation, taxation, and education work again.


legalization doesn't make it right...I just gets you off legal troubles. But be that as it may, it's never a good thing. Maybe someday the hookers accociation of america can hold a 3-day seminar to encourage our sweet 16 yr old daughters to consider a rather fullfilling/exciting careers as legal prostitutes. "Good money, lots of fun" - let that can be their slogan.

No more saving for college funds. If you're 18, your good to go. Sweet.


Wow, that is quite a meaningless response...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:44 pm    Post subject:

Drifts wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Alos, let's compare weed to another "societal ill" - gambling. We all heard about the terrible consequences of gambling - bookies breaking your legs and "Sopranos-type" tactics ruining lives. But sitting in a casino in Vegas is about the safest place on the planet. Why, because there is nothing but consenting adults being provided with a regulated and controlled environment in which they are free to play games of chance, provided that they do so according to the rules of the house and gamble money that they have on hand.

Are there sometimes people who lose too much and it ruins their life? Yes
Are there family members who are negatively affected by that? Yes
Is there any societal benefit to gambling, other than leisure? No

But it works when it is legal, and when it is illegal it is a mess of crime, violence, loan-sharking, and extortion. It burdens the criminal justice system, it by-passes govenment regulation, and taxation, and does nothing to deter gambling itself.

Same with drugs. Legalization, regulation, taxation and education is the ONLY thing that works. If you really want to help keep kids off of drugs, then you have to control it to put street dealers out of business, regulate it to sell only to consenting adults, tax it to raise money for education, and educate kids to the REAL consequences of drug use.

Or how about prostitution. Legalization in Nevada has cleaned up a very dirty business. The "cat-houses" regularly test the girls for STDs, require condoms, prohibit drug use, and ensure a safe place for censenting adults. Again, if it is legal, it doesn't mean it is morally right for the girl or the guy, but for those who want to do it, regulation, taxation, and education work again.


legalization doesn't make it right...I just gets you off legal troubles. But be that as it may, it's never a good thing. Maybe someday the hookers accociation of america can hold a 3-day seminar to encourage our sweet 16 yr old daughters to consider a rather fullfilling/exciting careers as legal prostitutes. "Good money, lots of fun" - let that can be their slogan.

No more saving for college funds. If you're 18, your good to go. Sweet.


good thing we have you to make all our decisions for us based on your set of morals.

did you ever stop to think how ridiculous your argument is? if prostitution was legal our young, qualified women in this country would suddenly be clammoring to do it? you don't know much about the culture we live in do you? the same type of people who are already prostitutes would simply remain prostitutes. except this time they wouldn't be spreading diseases around. i guess your out dated, puritan views are better.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:56 pm    Post subject:

I don't have a problem with it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 20, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject:

Drifts wrote:
JerryMagicKobe wrote:
Alos, let's compare weed to another "societal ill" - gambling. We all heard about the terrible consequences of gambling - bookies breaking your legs and "Sopranos-type" tactics ruining lives. But sitting in a casino in Vegas is about the safest place on the planet. Why, because there is nothing but consenting adults being provided with a regulated and controlled environment in which they are free to play games of chance, provided that they do so according to the rules of the house and gamble money that they have on hand.

Are there sometimes people who lose too much and it ruins their life? Yes
Are there family members who are negatively affected by that? Yes
Is there any societal benefit to gambling, other than leisure? No

But it works when it is legal, and when it is illegal it is a mess of crime, violence, loan-sharking, and extortion. It burdens the criminal justice system, it by-passes govenment regulation, and taxation, and does nothing to deter gambling itself.

Same with drugs. Legalization, regulation, taxation and education is the ONLY thing that works. If you really want to help keep kids off of drugs, then you have to control it to put street dealers out of business, regulate it to sell only to consenting adults, tax it to raise money for education, and educate kids to the REAL consequences of drug use.

Or how about prostitution. Legalization in Nevada has cleaned up a very dirty business. The "cat-houses" regularly test the girls for STDs, require condoms, prohibit drug use, and ensure a safe place for censenting adults. Again, if it is legal, it doesn't mean it is morally right for the girl or the guy, but for those who want to do it, regulation, taxation, and education work again.


legalization doesn't make it right...I just gets you off legal troubles. But be that as it may, it's never a good thing. Maybe someday the hookers accociation of america can hold a 3-day seminar to encourage our sweet 16 yr old daughters to consider a rather fullfilling/exciting careers as legal prostitutes. "Good money, lots of fun" - let that can be their slogan.

No more saving for college funds. If you're 18, your good to go. Sweet.


Or you can parent your own daughter so that she gets a good education and has other options available to her. But if you fail miserably as a dad, and your daughter turns to prostitution, at least if it is legal, she will be safe from someone beating her up, safe from STDs and AIDS, and using a condom every time. She won't have some greasy pimp stealing her money, and she will be off drugs, and out of jail. Perhaps the extra money she keeps will allow her to retire earlier. Again, to quote myself
"if it is legal, it doesn't mean it is morally right for the girl or the guy, but for those who want to do it, regulation, taxation, and education work again."
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 22, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject:

Prostitution is legal in Germany and Holland. It is also legal in England, but with restrictions on how business can be conducted. I don't think those countries are going down the drain any time soon. And after observing those countries during the past year, I think legalizing prostitution the way the English do would be OK here, though it will never happen.

Also gambling is legal in England; don't think anyone's raising hue and cry about that there.
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