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threetimechamps Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:40 pm Post subject: Brilliance Of Jerry West |
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How in the world did Jerry West pull of a trade that includes Shane Battier for Rudy Gay.....Unbelivable.....
Mitch where are you......I hope your taking notes.....
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eagles nut Star Player
Joined: 06 Jul 2001 Posts: 6240 Location: Baltimore, MD
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Battier is a solid player. Gay is unproven. I like the deal for Houston better. |
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threetimechamps Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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eagles nut wrote: | Battier is a solid player. Gay is unproven. I like the deal for Houston better. |
Battier Carreer Numbers:
10.5pts 5rpg 45%fg
I just dont see how those carreer numbers are better than picking up a potential all star. If he turns out to be a bust then more than likely he will be averaging battier's carreer numbers |
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clutchkobe Star Player
Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 1982
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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it used to be so fun to be a laker fan because we never knew what jerry west would do...but you knew he would try to do something. with mitch kupcake you know nothing will be done. not during the offseason, not during the season and not during the draft. jerry west might not always be right but it was exciting. Until the lakers get rid of mitch kupcake the lakers cant go anywhere. |
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eagles nut Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Good defender. Good leader. Intangibles that transcend his statistics. |
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elbonian Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Let's see, nice solid role player, good team guy vs a potential allstar
I would make that trade in a second... Memphis needs another allstar next to Gasol to win it all.
That's a terrific gamble by West. I wish he never left... freaking Phillips fault. The demise of the dynasty started when he left |
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Nynuk Sixth Man
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's a good deal for houston in the short term. Battier is a proven 3 point shooter (close to 40% for several seasons) and a good perimeter defender. Definately a Jeff Van Gundy type of guy. Gay, he could be an all-star, but it would probably take several seasons at least. Not a glamorous move for the rockets, but it helps them right now. |
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ajaxxx Star Player
Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 2006 Location: Avondale AZ
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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does this mean rockets are going to try to move Mcgrady? |
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Nynuk Sixth Man
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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ajaxxx wrote: | does this mean rockets are going to try to move Mcgrady? |
I think if they were going to move Tmac, then they would have kept Gay. Trading him for Battier is pretty much an attempt to win now before Tmac breaks down physically. |
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Ziggy Franchise Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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eagles nut wrote: | Good defender. Good leader. Intangibles that transcend his statistics. |
Spot on. Battier's impact can't be found in a stat box. Gay is a couple years away. Shane will have an immediate impact. With Yao and TMac carrying the offese, Shane is the perfect utility player for them. |
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Magic'sSon Starting Rotation
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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So the core future of the Grizz is
Gasol
Warrick
Gay
:roll: Not to shabby of a frontcourt. |
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Kobe>Lebron Star Player
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Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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I think this is a steal by West, Battier has already peaked a good utility player, but Rudy Gay could become a great player. _________________ "I was laying myself on the line by saying, if this doesn't work in three to four years, if we're not back on the top then I will step down because that means I have failed,"
Jim Buss (2013) |
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laker4life Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:16 am Post subject: |
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We are witnessing the continuous brillance of West . . .
and the mediocre of Kupchak . . .
and the stupidity of Isiah Thomas. |
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calistrtballr Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Jerry West is just simply amazing. To get both Swift and Gay for a role player is trully remarkable. |
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unggoy Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 7:25 am Post subject: |
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eagles nut wrote: | Good defender. Good leader. Intangibles that transcend his statistics. |
Exactly. They didn't aquire him for his PPG. |
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LakerLanny Retired Number
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Ziggy wrote: | eagles nut wrote: | Good defender. Good leader. Intangibles that transcend his statistics. |
Spot on. Battier's impact can't be found in a stat box. Gay is a couple years away. Shane will have an immediate impact. With Yao and TMac carrying the offese, Shane is the perfect utility player for them. |
Griz needed to make a move. They have to try and take the step to the next level and they were not moving forward with Battier.
It is a risk sure, but West understands that you have to be willing to give up value to get value and you have to be willing to take a risk. _________________ Love, Laker Lanny |
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The Dagger Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: |
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calistrtballr wrote: | Jerry West is just simply amazing. To get both Swift and Gay for a role player is trully remarkable. |
I agree, that was just robbery. JW is still the best in the biz. Battier is a Rick Fox type player - nickel a dozen. Gay may just be the best player in this draft and has superstar potential. To top it off he got Swift to replace Lo Wright. If I was a Houston fan I'd be protesting right now. _________________ The great Laker Center Tradition continues.....Mikan, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Gasol, AD....Gasol. |
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Ozendorph Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 9:54 am Post subject: |
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It's about finding a situation that fits both teams. Houston is looking to add good players around TMac and Yao that can contribute immediately. Shane is such a player. Gay might be better long term, but everybody knows he's more of a raw athelete, and is going to need time to develop his skills. I think both teams improved through this trade. _________________ Dumbledore closed his eyes and slowly lowered his head before Kupchak. "Teach me," he whispered. |
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carlosLisboa Star Player
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Battier is the best side.
A very good team player, knows how to play, good defender, should score more. |
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angel Franchise Player
Joined: 31 Jul 2004 Posts: 14226 Location: city of angels
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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Rudy Gay has the potential of being the best player in the draft. He may not be ROY, but he's got the talent to be a good gamble on upside. Swift will keep the Grizzlies from slipping this season as Lo Wright clears salary. The Grizzlies may take a small step backwards by investing in developing the rookie this season, but the hope is eventually breaking through. Being a team that makes the Playoffs to be bounced in the first round is not what they want to do. Jerry West is trying to take them to the next level. He provided the leadership to transform them into a Playoff team from a dysfunctional group of talented individual players. He is continuing to improve their potential with the goal of making them into a contender. _________________ "Darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate. Only love can do that." ~~Martin Luther King Jr.~~ |
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Crazy LA Fan14 Starting Rotation
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:30 am Post subject: |
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Exactly why I am such a big Jerry West fan, because it's moves like these.
I was thinking the same thing about his brilliance. W/o him, there would be no Kobe Bryant/Shaq duo or either on the lakers for that matter. _________________ A Clipper/Laker Fan
--------D12, Livy, Iggy, O.J. Mayo, Randy Foye & Rudy Gay-------- |
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Showtime_Returns Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:46 am Post subject: |
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angel wrote: | Rudy Gay has the potential of being the best player in the draft. He may not be ROY, but he's got the talent to be a good gamble on upside. Swift will keep the Grizzlies from slipping this season as Lo Wright clears salary. The Grizzlies may take a small step backwards by investing in developing the rookie this season, but the hope is eventually breaking through. Being a team that makes the Playoffs to be bounced in the first round is not what they want to do. Jerry West is trying to take them to the next level. He provided the leadership to transform them into a Playoff team from a dysfunctional group of talented individual players. He is continuing to improve their potential with the goal of making them into a contender. |
Finally someone who gets it. The deal makes no sense from Houston's perspective. They aren't close to be a title contender and they give up a player who could take them to that next level for a solid role player? West once again show why he's head and shoulders above most GMs. |
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Charles Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 11:54 am Post subject: |
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eagles nut wrote: | Battier is a solid player. Gay is unproven. I like the deal for Houston better. | Vlade is a solid player. Kobe is unproven. I like the deal for Charlotte better.
see how that works out? I ain't comparing Rudy to Kobe, but if you don't take risks in the business you won't go far. |
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carlosLisboa Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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the lakers didn't need Vlade anymore, since they had got Shaq that summer, right? |
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thegreatest Star Player
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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carlosLisboa wrote: | the lakers didn't need Vlade anymore, since they had got Shaq that summer, right? |
they hadn't gotten sahq yet |
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