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Caron1
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 Posted: Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: JonBenet Ramsey's Killer Arrested? |
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/16/ramsey.arrest/index.html
According to CNN an arrest has been made of a suspect in Thailand, after he confessed to parts of the crime that werent made available to the media. The suspect's identity hasnt been released yet but he is currently being taken back to the US it seems.
Interesting stuff, I always thought the parents were involved.
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| wow...if this case would go unsolved.... she would have been a sophomore in high school |
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I was sitting at work whne i first heard this on the news, All i could think of was of her poor parents. It reminded me of (i believe) elizbeth smart. they arrested someone who died in jail who was innocent. sad sad sad stories all around
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| TACH wrote: | | Cool... now that search for the 'real killer' in the OJ case... LOL... |
in my best Eddie from Barbershop impersonation
OJ did It!!!! |
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| Lakers999 wrote: | | TACH wrote: | | Cool... now that search for the 'real killer' in the OJ case... LOL... |
in my best Eddie from Barbershop impersonation
OJ did It!!!! |
Damn,.. I was hoping to delete that post...  |
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| TACH wrote: | | Lakers999 wrote: | | TACH wrote: | | Cool... now that search for the 'real killer' in the OJ case... LOL... |
in my best Eddie from Barbershop impersonation
OJ did It!!!! |
Damn,.. I was hoping to delete that post... |
too late now the oj is innocent supporters will be on your neck |
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Something is very fishy about this guy..arrested in a Bangkok prison(Perhaps he is saying this so that he can get out of Thailand jail) but there are many things about this dude that don't make sense if he had no relationship with the family..
1. How did he know that John Ramsey made 118,000 as his bonus(was written in the ransom note)
2. How come he was able to stay in the house for such a long time and write a practice note without the worry that someone would come home
3. The basement was a very remote location, how did he know where to find it
4. The paintbrush used to strangle JonBenet was a paintbrush that was in a box in another location in the house, how did he know where to find it
5. Finally, how did he even know anything about JonBenet, according to news reports, he lived in Georgia when JonBenet was 1 years old..how did he even get attracted to her..
All very strange..the story wont end here..very interested in knowing how everything works out..this little girl deserves justice |
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when I read the title, I thought: "Great! theyve finally arrested the parents"
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| LakerFanAlways wrote: | Something is very fishy about this guy..arrested in a Bangkok prison(Perhaps he is saying this so that he can get out of Thailand jail) but there are many things about this dude that don't make sense if he had no relationship with the family..
1. How did he know that John Ramsey made 118,000 as his bonus(was written in the ransom note)
2. How come he was able to stay in the house for such a long time and write a practice note without the worry that someone would come home
3. The basement was a very remote location, how did he know where to find it
4. The paintbrush used to strangle JonBenet was a paintbrush that was in a box in another location in the house, how did he know where to find it
5. Finally, how did he even know anything about JonBenet, according to news reports, he lived in Georgia when JonBenet was 1 years old..how did he even get attracted to her..
All very strange..the story wont end here..very interested in knowing how everything works out..this little girl deserves justice |
He lived in the same town in Georgia at the time... |
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i couldve sworn the parents were involved |
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You do know that her mother died this past June, right?
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| It was either court tv or discovery chan had a special on once. I didn't catch all of it, but it made the parents seem pretty innocent. Seemed like the police made a lot of mistakes. I always thought the parents had something to do with it until I watched that. Who knows maybe they did. I never followed the case really close. |
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I watched the parents interveiwed several times, the longest on several Larry King episodes. My wife and I are both therapists and both had the same reaction. The evidence and everything we know about family crime led us to think it was the parents. But, conversely from an emotional reaction every time we watched the parents we both thought, no way these people are killers. Wealthy blue bloods that wouldn't know a feeling if it hit them between their eyes, but not murderers.
I am happy and realeived for the father still alive and that the mother did know there was a suspect.
Please let this end. The truth does set free. |
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| I always thought the parents knew who did it but covered it up. I always thought it was their son who killed JonBenet and they covered it up. |
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| Well the guy did not help his case by living in Thailand, child sex capital of the world. |
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I never thought the parents did it. Sure, they seemed the most likely, but I firmly believe in the premise, "Innocent until proven guilty". Almost "naive" when it comes to this sort of thing.
Kinda OT- Hal Haddon. 
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Several things are very freaky about this case...
Just before the crime, I remember seeing a documentary, about those child beauty contests. I remember noticing how rediculously competitive those contests were... I remember thinking... "...one mother actually looks like she's ready to kill, just out of jealousy!!" Something seemed to be wrong, also, about making those little girls act so sexually precocious. Naturally, I already had my suspicions, when the crime was committed... I thought it might be one of the disgruntled mothers....
I'll admit, I suspected the Ramseys... I came to a personal conclusion, that, perhaps, the mother had lost her temper, accidently killed Jon Benet, in a fit of anger, and both parents tried to cover it up...
They say this new suspect has actually confessed... Stay tuned!!
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| Tony Montana wrote: | | LakerFanAlways wrote: | Something is very fishy about this guy..arrested in a Bangkok prison(Perhaps he is saying this so that he can get out of Thailand jail) but there are many things about this dude that don't make sense if he had no relationship with the family..
1. How did he know that John Ramsey made 118,000 as his bonus(was written in the ransom note)
2. How come he was able to stay in the house for such a long time and write a practice note without the worry that someone would come home
3. The basement was a very remote location, how did he know where to find it
4. The paintbrush used to strangle JonBenet was a paintbrush that was in a box in another location in the house, how did he know where to find it
5. Finally, how did he even know anything about JonBenet, according to news reports, he lived in Georgia when JonBenet was 1 years old..how did he even get attracted to her..
All very strange..the story wont end here..very interested in knowing how everything works out..this little girl deserves justice |
He lived in the same town in Georgia at the time... |
Wait a sec.... I thought the crime occurred in Colorado?? There's something to explain.
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According to Thai police, he did more than admit knowledge of confidential info. He's supposedly admitted to the murder.
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Suspect arrested in JonBenet Ramsey case
By CATHERINE TSAI, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago
BOULDER, Colo. - A former schoolteacher was arrested Wednesday in Thailand in the slaying of 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey — a surprise breakthrough in a lurid, decade-old murder mystery that had cast a cloud of suspicion over her parents.
Ramsey family attorney Lin Wood identified the suspect as John Mark Karr, 41. Federal officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed the name, and one law enforcement official told The Associated Press that Boulder police had tracked him down online.
The head of Thailand immigration police said Thursday that Karr admitted to the killing after he was arrested at his downtown Bangkok apartment Wednesday night. Karr arrived in Bangkok on June 6 from Malaysia to look for a teaching job, Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul told The Associated Press.
Wood said the arrest vindicated JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey. Patsy Ramsey died of ovarian cancer June 24.
"John and Patsy lived their lives knowing they were innocent, trying to raise a son despite the furor around them," Wood said. "The story of this family is a story of courage, and story of an American injustice and tragedy that ultimately people will have to look back on and hopefully learn from."
The attorney said the Ramseys learned about the suspect at least a month before Patsy Ramsey's death. "It's been a very long 10 years, and I'm just sorry Patsy isn't here for me to hug her neck," Wood said.
Karr was a teacher who once lived in Conyers, Ga., according to Wood. The attorney said the Ramseys gave police information about Karr before he was identified as a suspect.
Wood would not say how the Ramseys knew Karr. But JonBenet was born in Atlanta in 1990, and the Ramseys lived in the Atlanta suburb of Dunwoody, about 30 miles northeast of Conyers, for several years before moving to Colorado in 1991.
Thai police said that when Karr was arrested, he denied any involvement in JonBenet's slaying. A law enforcement source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the AP that Karr had been communicating periodically with somebody in Boulder who had been following the case and cooperating with law enforcement officials.
A University of Colorado spokesman, Barrie Hartman, said journalism professor Michael Tracey communicated with Karr over several months and contacted police. The CU spokesman said he didn't know what prompted Tracey to become suspicious of Karr.
Tracey produced a documentary in 2004 called "Who Killed JonBenet?" A woman who answered the phone at a number under his name said he didn't live there anymore; his office phone mailbox was full.
It was widely reported, but not confirmed by authorities, that Karr taught in California until he was stripped of his teaching credentials following an arrest on child pornography charges.
Sonoma County Chief Deputy District Attorney Joan Risse confirmed the child pornography charges and arrest warrant against a John Mark Karr, though she cautioned that she didn't know if he was the same person held in the Ramsey case. State records show Karr lost his teaching credential in 2002.
A woman who said she was the ex-wife of former Petaluma teacher John Karr told KGO-TV in San Francisco that they got divorced after his arrest. The woman, who the station identified as Laura Karr, said her ex-husband spent a lot of time reading up on the cases of Ramsey and Petaluma resident Polly Klaas, who was abducted and slain in 1993.
She said she does not believe her former husband was involved in JonBenet's killing and said she was with him in Alabama at the time of the homicide.
A search of public records indicates that a John M. Karr and a Lara Karr shared a Petaluma address as recently as 2001, but The AP could not independently confirm that they are the suspect and the woman identified by the television station.
Karr's brother, Nate Karr, said his brother's alleged involvement was a misunderstanding. He told Fox News his brother may have been implicated because of research he has done for a book about men who commit crimes against children.
"That is the only possible way we think he could have been brought into this," Nate Karr told Fox. He said his brother lived in Alabama until around five years ago before moving to California and since then they haven't talked as much. Nate Karr said his brother was married about 13 years ago and has three children but he wasn't sure if he was still married.
Bob Raines, superintendent and principal at Wilson Elementary School, twice hired a John Karr as a substitute at his Sonoma County school in 2001. He said a picture of the suspect resembled the man he hired, who stood out because of a "soft, Southern drawl."
Raines, who observed Karr in second- and fourth-grade classrooms, said he was an ineffective teacher with poor skills in keeping children focused.
"He just seemed like somebody who thought he wanted to be a teacher," Raines said. "After a few days, I could see it just wasn't for him."
He instructed his secretary not to call Karr again unless they were desperate, and in April 2001 they received a letter from the county superintendent of education saying Karr had been taken off a list of acceptable substitutes.
District Attorney Mary Lacy said the arrest followed several months of work, but she said no details would be released until Thursday.
JonBenet was found beaten and strangled in the basement of the family's home in Boulder on Dec. 26, 1996. Patsy Ramsey reported finding a ransom note in the house demanding $118,000 for her daughter.
The image of blonde-haired little JonBenet in a cowgirl costume and other beauty pageant outfits has haunted TV talk shows ever since, helping feed myriad theories about her killer, and the case became one of the most sensational unsolved murder cases in the nation.
Over the years, some experts suggested that investigators had botched the case so thoroughly that it might never be solved.
Investigators at one point said JonBenet's parents were under an "umbrella of suspicion" in the slaying. And some news accounts cast suspicion on JonBenet's older brother. But the Ramseys insisted an intruder killed their daughter, and no one was ever charged.
In the months after the slaying, Patsy Ramsey went before the cameras, vigorously defending herself and her husband, chastising the media and blasting local law enforcement as incompetent.
In a statement Wednesday, John Ramsey said: "Patsy was aware that authorities were close to making an arrest in the case, and had she lived to see this day, would no doubt have been as pleased as I am with today's development almost 10 years after our daughter's murder."
The Ramseys moved back to Atlanta after their daughter's slaying.
Wood lashed out at the frenzy that long surrounded the case, and he accused the media of "the most obscene false accusations." "I think the public's mind was so poisoned against this family that no one was able for too many years to look at the evidence," he said.
Patsy Ramsey's sister, Pam Paugh, of Roswell, Ga., said the family was celebrating the news of the arrest. "We are elated. We are elated. If this is, in fact, the killer, then we have a very heinous killer off the streets to never harm another child," Paugh said.
Lib Waters of Marietta, Ga., visited the gravesites of Patsy and JonBenet Ramsey in the Atlanta suburb immediately after hearing news reports about the arrest.
Waters, who described herself as a longtime friend of the Ramsey family, taped a piece of notebook paper to JonBenet Ramsey's headstone that read: "Dearest Patsy, Justice has come for you and Jon. Rest in peace."
In 2003, a federal judge in Atlanta concluded that the evidence she reviewed suggested an intruder killed JonBenet. That opinion came with the judge's decision to dismiss a libel and slander lawsuit against the Ramseys by a freelance journalist, whom the Ramseys had named as a suspect in their daughter's murder. The Boulder district attorney at the time said she agreed with the judge's declaration.
"Today is additional vindication of the family," Wood said.
Wood said he and the Ramseys "have been totally amazed and impressed with the professionalism of law enforcement" under Lacy's direction. Lacy became district attorney in 2001.
DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear, but Wood said two years ago that detectives were unable to match it to anyone in an FBI database. It was not immediately known Wednesday whether investigators had any DNA evidence against Karr. |
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| LakerFanAlways wrote: | Something is very fishy about this guy..arrested in a Bangkok prison(Perhaps he is saying this so that he can get out of Thailand jail) but there are many things about this dude that don't make sense if he had no relationship with the family..
1. How did he know that John Ramsey made 118,000 as his bonus(was written in the ransom note)
2. How come he was able to stay in the house for such a long time and write a practice note without the worry that someone would come home
3. The basement was a very remote location, how did he know where to find it
4. The paintbrush used to strangle JonBenet was a paintbrush that was in a box in another location in the house, how did he know where to find it
5. Finally, how did he even know anything about JonBenet, according to news reports, he lived in Georgia when JonBenet was 1 years old..how did he even get attracted to her..
All very strange..the story wont end here..very interested in knowing how everything works out..this little girl deserves justice |
I'm with you... sounds fishy....
Now his wife and brother are claiming he was in Alabama during the times of the murder.
I'll say this,.. he's a creepy looking mofo!!
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so they still have the DNA and can cross examine it with that od Karrs. But if he did do it, Why come out and admit it now? Maybe i missed something from the article, but he was already a family suspect? and the family didnt reveal how they knew him friom before?
This is gonna be another good one for conspiracy lovers. |
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Interesting stuff. That dude is seriously creepy, I wonder what he was doing in Colorado. He lived near them in GA, but I dont understand his timeline after that.
About the beauty pageants - Those things have always concerned me. Not only are they ridiculous, send the wrong messages to little kids, and too serious, but the potential for pedophilia always seemed realistic. Kids are not celebrities, and shouldnt be judged in front of the public.
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The reason he's coming out and admitting it now?
I think he's trying to come clean and look for penance. My personal opinion, is the guy doesn't look very healthy... and we'll probably find out he's terminally ill, in the not so distant future. |
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Great news that the Ramsey case may finally close, now OJ's on the clock. :roll:
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