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| JD wrote: | The reason he's coming out and admitting it now?
I think he's trying to come clean and look for penance. My personal opinion, is the guy doesn't look very healthy... and we'll probably find out he's terminally ill, in the not so distant future. |
They have penance in Thailand? The sicko was over there looking for child sex...
Seriously,.. I would buy that if he came clean here in the US.
I think he realized the US Court System is a little less harsh then the Thai when is comes to child sex/pornagraphy,.. so he came clean so he can get back here.
Either way... lock him up and throw away the key,.. let jailhouse justice take care of the death penalty.... |
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| TACH wrote: | | JD wrote: | The reason he's coming out and admitting it now?
I think he's trying to come clean and look for penance. My personal opinion, is the guy doesn't look very healthy... and we'll probably find out he's terminally ill, in the not so distant future. |
They have penance in Thailand? The sicko was over there looking for child sex...
Seriously,.. I would buy that if he came clean here in the US.
I think he realized the US Court System is a little less harsh then the Thai when is comes to child sex/pornagraphy,.. so he came clean so he can get back here.
Either way... lock him up and throw away the key,.. let jailhouse justice take care of the death penalty.... |
I understand what he was more than likely, in Thailand for. However, he was also corresponding with a reporter in the United States about his involvement... and obviously revealing enough details about what happened, to get himself arrested.
I don't believe for one second, he should be forgiven and that this somehow absolves him of guilt. Nor, do I think he should be shown any leniency. I was simply stating an observation, from what we know so far. |
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| JD wrote: | | TACH wrote: | | JD wrote: | The reason he's coming out and admitting it now?
I think he's trying to come clean and look for penance. My personal opinion, is the guy doesn't look very healthy... and we'll probably find out he's terminally ill, in the not so distant future. |
They have penance in Thailand? The sicko was over there looking for child sex...
Seriously,.. I would buy that if he came clean here in the US.
I think he realized the US Court System is a little less harsh then the Thai when is comes to child sex/pornagraphy,.. so he came clean so he can get back here.
Either way... lock him up and throw away the key,.. let jailhouse justice take care of the death penalty.... |
I understand what he was more than likely, in Thailand for. However, he was also corresponding with a reporter in the United States about his involvement... and obviously revealing enough details about what happened, to get himself arrested.
I don't believe for one second, he should be forgiven and that this somehow absolves him of guilt. Nor, do I think he should be shown any leniency. I was simply stating an observation, from what we know so far. |
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So who's going to replace John Ireland on Ltv now that he's been arrested?
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| had thought abought his appearence.. You might be right JD, the guy did look like an olsen twin. |
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| F Snaq wrote: | | So who's going to replace John Ireland on Ltv now that he's been arrested? |
Wow. I'm speechless. |
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I did a usenet search on him to see what comes up. 
To cut to the chase, visit www.powerwurks.com
He apparently started an organization for missing children months before the murder. |
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| DancingBarry wrote: | I did a usenet search on him to see what comes up.
To cut to the chase, visit www.powerwurks.com
He apparently started an organization for missing children months before the murder. |
Wow. This dude is scary...
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And the twists/turns just keep on coming. Keeps getting weirder and weirder.
| Quote: | Confession in JonBenet case questioned
By CATHERINE TSAI and JON SARCHE, Associated Press Writers 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
BOULDER, Colo. - For a moment, it seemed the decade-old mystery surrounding the slaying of a child beauty queen had been solved. But authorities Thursday cautioned against rushing to judge the schoolteacher who made a stunning confession that he killed JonBenet Ramsey.
For now, the only public evidence against John Mark Karr are his own words. And questions have already been raised about the details of his story, including whether he drugged the girl, sexually assaulted her or was even in Colorado at the time of the slaying.
Those questions led some to wonder whether Karr was the answer to the long-unsolved slaying or a disturbed wannabe trying to insert himself into a high-profile case.
"We should all heed the poignant advice of John Ramsey," Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy, quoting the little girl's father. "Do not jump to conclusions, do not rush to judgment, do not speculate. Let the justice system take its course."
Paraded before a raucous crush of reporters in Bangkok, Thailand, the sullen Karr told how he loved JonBenet, was with her when she died but that her death was an accident. And while vague on the details — "it would take several hours" — he answered flatly when asked if he was innocent: "No."
"The bottom line is that they now have a confession and until and unless they can corroborate that confession with either physical evidence or strong circumstantial evidence, that's all they have," said Scott Robinson, a Denver attorney who has followed the case from the beginning.
Added former Denver prosecutor Craig Silverman: "I have to believe they have more than this kooky confession."
Karr told investigators he drugged and sexually assaulted the little girl before accidentally killing her in her Boulder home, according to a senior Thai police officer who was briefed about the interview with U.S. authorities.
Yet JonBenet's autopsy report found no evidence of drugs, saying her death was caused by strangulation after a beating that included a fractured skull. And while it describes vaginal injuries, it makes no conclusions about whether she was raped.
Karr's ex-wife told TV reporters she cannot defend him, then insisted he was with her in Alabama during Christmas 1996, when JonBenet's battered body was found in the basement of her home. And authorities have not said whether Karr could have written the detailed ransom note found in the Ramsey home, with its demand for $118,000 (the bonus that had recently been awarded to the girl's father, John Ramsey).
Even the Colorado professor who swapped four years' worth of e-mails with Karr and brought him to the attention of prosecutors in May refused to characterize the suspect either as killer or kook.
"I don't know that he's guilty," said Michael Tracey, who teaches journalism at the University of Colorado. "Obviously, I went to the district attorney for a reason, but let him have his day in court and let JonBenet have her day in court and let's see how it plays out."
Karr himself added to the mystery, telling The Associated Press in Bangkok that JonBenet's death was "not what it seems to be."
Asked what happened when JonBenet died, he said: "It would take several hours to describe that. It's a very involved series of events that would involve a lot of time. It's very painful for me to talk about it."
Any previous relationship between Karr and the Ramseys remained a mystery Thursday, though both have ties to suburban Atlanta. District Attorney Lacy refused to discuss the case during a brief news conference and suggested Karr's arrest may have been forced by concern over public safety and fears the suspect might flee.
"There are circumstances that exist in any case that mandate an arrest before an investigation is complete," Lacy said.
Karr, 41, was arrested at a Bangkok apartment Wednesday, a day after he began teaching second grade at an international school, Lacy said.
Hours later, Thai authorities sat him before a crowded room of news crews. Karr stunned reporters by admitting: "I was with JonBenet when she died. Her death was an accident."
"I am so very sorry for what happened to JonBenet," Karr told the AP.
Legal experts said DNA evidence will likely be key: DNA was found beneath JonBenet's fingernails and inside her underwear and authorities have never said whether it matches anyone in an FBI database. U.S. and Thai officials did not directly answer a question at a news conference about whether there was DNA evidence connecting Karr to the crime.
Karr was given a mouth-swab DNA test in Bangkok, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. The results of that test were not immediately known. Karr will be given another DNA test when he returns to the United States in the next several days, the official said.
Karr will be taken within the week to Colorado, where he will face charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, Ann Hurst of the Department of Homeland Security told reporters in Bangkok.
Lin Wood, the Ramsey family's longtime attorney in Atlanta, said Karr went to great lengths to conceal his identity in e-mails to the university professor, going so far as to use a computer server in Canada.
Asked if authorities could tell whether Karr had firsthand knowledge of the murder or had just picked up information from news accounts, Wood said: "There is information about the murder that has never been publicly disclosed." He did not elaborate.
Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, was quoted by San Francisco television station KGO saying she was with her former husband in Alabama at the time of JonBenet's killing and she does not believe he was involved in the homicide.
Denver attorney Larry Pozner, past president of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, said there were "serious questions" about the case.
"I hope we have found the murderer of JonBenet, but I have not heard the evidence that compels that conclusion," he said.
Karr's description of the case as an accident also rang false to experts.
"It's hard to imagine a more intentional, deliberate murder than hitting a little girl in the head so hard that she had almost a foot-long fracture in her skull and then deliberately fashioning a garrotte to twist until it buries in her neck and slowly stops her breathing," said Silverman, the former Denver prosecutor. "This has always been a case of deliberate murder." |
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| this is movie type drama. The twists keep coming. I smell FISH |
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Something doesn't add up in this.
Call me skeptical, because it is still very much in question if Patsy Ramsey wrote that note or not.
I hope this guy did it and the parents did not, but I am thinking he might be a crackpot.
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Now, it looks like we have a real "WACKO"... I felt there was something not right, when I said "stay tuned...".
There was another convincing story, not too long ago... There was another strange guy, that had a goal, of committing sex crimes, with children... Anyone remember that one??... The guy, apparently, committed suicide.
John Karr's ex-wife claims that he was with her, somewhere in the South [Alabama, or Georgia], when the murder was committed....??
This thing just gets weirder, and weirder...
There is this "Journal of Psychohistory", that even thinks that the Ramseys belonged to some kind of child sex cult!!... Karr may have been a member??
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I've been trying to find my copy of "The Journal of Psychohistory", with information about child sex cults, but I think I loaned it to one of my former Psych Professors..
Anyway, I found that you can find some very compelling evidence, which tries to link the Jon Benet Case, to a possible Satanic Ritual, e.g., the use of a garrot; the crime committed on Christmas, and the use of an electrical prod, etc... I'll try and give a link, but you can also Google the words: " Jon Benet, and Journal of Psychohistory", etc., and I think you will find some very interesting information... Some info. is too far-fetched... You be the judge.
http://home.earthlink.net/~sammark4/id225.html
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| LakerLanny wrote: | | ... but I am thinking he might be a crackpot. |
No matter how it turns out, I think that's safe to say. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| JD wrote: | And the twists/turns just keep on coming. Keeps getting weirder and weirder.
| Quote: | Confession in JonBenet case questioned
Paraded before a raucous crush of reporters in Bangkok, Thailand..."
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That footage reminded me of Lee Harvey Oswald. Very weird. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| LakersSpirit wrote: | Now, it looks like we have a real "WACKO"... I felt there was something not right, when I said "stay tuned...".
There was another convincing story, not too long ago... There was another strange guy, that had a goal, of committing sex crimes, with children... Anyone remember that one??... The guy, apparently, committed suicide.
John Karr's ex-wife claims that he was with her, somewhere in the South [Alabama, or Georgia], when the murder was committed....??
This thing just gets weirder, and weirder...
There is this "Journal of Psychohistory", that even thinks that the Ramseys belonged to some kind of child sex cult!!... Karr may have been a member?? |
Definitely weirder and weirder by the minute.... When he got popped for child porn,.. he was living in Cali,... guess what town.... the same town Polly Klaas was from...
| Quote: | Karr researched the Ramsey case extensively and was riveted by it and the 1993 slaying of 12-year-old Polly Klaas in Petaluma, California, where he and his wife lived in 2000, Lara Karr said.
Police in Sonoma County, California, said Karr was charged with five misdemeanor counts of possessing child pornography in 2001 but failed to appear in court after bailing out of jail. Karr had been working as a teacher and substitute teacher in Petaluma and Napa.
Lara Karr said in the divorce petition that she was 16 when they married and initially did not know about his Internet activities or his propensity for "kiddie porn." |
Like previously posted, his ex-wife and brother both say he was in Alabama the time of the JonBenet murder...
| Quote: | Karr's brother, Nate, told Atlanta Fox affiliate WAGA that his family will provide information Friday to prove the allegation that Karr killed Ramsey is "just ridiculous."
Karr's ex-wife, Lara Karr, said she also doubted his admission that he killed Ramsey, saying the couple were together in Alabama that entire Christmas season.
But Lara Karr's attorney, Michael Rains, said his client "sincerely believes there was no Christmas ... anytime between 1989 and 2000 when they were married ... when her husband was not with her and her family at Christmastime."
Evidence from the Colorado crime scene contradicts Karr's version of events. JonBenet's death was violent, investigators found. An autopsy showed she received a massive blow to the head and was strangled with a rope that the killer tightened by twisting an attached paintbrush handle.
Karr has not publicly given details about how he got into the Ramsey house and, if he did so, how he found his away around the maze of rooms, hallways and closets.
Even police overlooked the storage room where JonBenet's body was found during their first search after the girl was reported missing.
Karr's connection to Colorado is also vague. Although his e-mail correspondence with a University of Colorado journalism professor led to his arrest in Thailand, authorities said, they have produced no evidence to show Karr was ever in Colorado.
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Some are saying he was writing a book about child abduction/murder but had trouble finding a publisher.... think he'll have that problem now?
Stay tuned, I'm sure we are bound to hear more crazy stuff....
PS - I officially call 'Shenanigans' (I really feel for the family if this is 'bravo sierra')... |
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I'm just watching the Headline News - "Nancy Grace Show", and they were comparing handwriting, from on of Karr's old high school yearbooks, and the ransom note, and I'm afraid that they looked pretty similar...
Alot of inconsistencies, however... I don't know... I will feel pretty foolish, again, if this "wacko" actually committed the crime.
Some FBI, or police specialist came on, later, on the news, and couldn't find much similarity, in handwriting style...  Sure looked similar, to me... Then, there is some kind of abbreviation, or anagram(?), that has a biblical meaning, or something... This is going to be one of those deep psychological things, when it comes out in a book, or movie..
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to tell the truth i dont think he did it because crazy ppl like him just want the attention!!
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I always wondered why write the ransom note if the person had already killed JonBenet and left her in the house?
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Hey guys - I never followed this case that much.
Was there any real concern that the parents did it? And if so what was the motivation? |
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Hey guys - I never followed this case that much.
Was there any real concern that the parents did it? And if so what was the motivation? |
They were suspected from jump because it did occur in their house and they were acting odd(apparently calling a lawyer first before answering anything that may incriminate them is considered odd go figure) with their lack of emotion so to speak.
I never thought they did it but a lot of folks thought Patsy just lost it when it was rumored that JonBenet didn't want to be in beauty pageants anymore. And they were trying to cover it up.
Hal Haddon was their lawyer at the time of course years later he ended up representing Kobe.
There were a lot of problems with the Boulder police department let me tell ya. |
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| Balki Bartokomous wrote: | | Great news that the Ramsey case may finally close, now OJ's on the clock. :roll: |
did you know that OJ took a lie detector test and failed it miserably! that evidence wasnt allowed in court...
and... He was lucky for getting Chris Darden as a prosecuting attorney that made him try on that glove.... very damaging evidence in favor of OJ
also OJ got very lucky for having a detective like Mark Fuhrman handle the crime scene!!! |
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| Lakers999 wrote: | | Balki Bartokomous wrote: | | Great news that the Ramsey case may finally close, now OJ's on the clock. :roll: |
did you know that OJ took a lie detector test and failed it miserably! that evidence wasnt allowed in court...
and... He was lucky for getting Chris Darden as a prosecuting attorney that made him try on that glove.... very damaging evidence in favor of OJ
also OJ got very lucky for having a detective like Mark Fuhrman handle the crime scene!!! |
When they moved the trial from Santa Monica to Downtown LA citing it was "closer to Brentwood", you knew the case was going in the toilet.
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You know what bothered me, today??... I was researching more information, on the Jon Benet case, and I ran across the story of the guy that raped that girl, in Iraq, and killed her, and her family...
I began to wonder, why so many get excited by the death of Jon Benet, and we hardly give any attention, to the Iraqi Case... Both involved innocent people, from my understanding. Anyway, this country should not condone rape, and indescriminate killing, of non-combatants. How can we tell the Iraqis that we mean to help their country??
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