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 Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:43 am Post subject: OT-Magic johnson on Leno |
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| i did not see it. tivo'd it. i hope he did not rip kob like usual. usual he makes an appearance to promote his latest business venture and somehow the conversation turns to how bad the lakers are what a terrible leader kobe is. just my opinion on how it always turns into a kobe bashing session. kind of disappointing coming from in-house. just my opinion! |
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| Hopefully that didn't happen this time. Magic was quite complimentary of Kobe last year, so I think he was probably good... unless he talked about the stupid Shaq/Kobe thing again. |
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You know guys, in the past I t hink some criticism was given to Kobe as a way to motivate him to greatness.
I think with the way the media piled up so high with it, the rest of the Lakers staff realize that adding to the problem is NOT helping ANYONE.
Phil and Magic used to regularly be critical of Kobe in public but I haven't seen that in quite a long while. I am SURE the organization must talk about this stuff and what is useful to the team.
One thing you have to know about Magic, he is a businessman and he understands what it takes for a business to succeed. The business is the Lakers, not Kobe! Kobe is the golden boy employee of the business. The business that Buss and Magic are trying to help flourish.
Magic is NOT going to do anything that is detrimental towards the business. The truth is, Kobe needed a little prodding early on, he was wild and a bit undisciplined. Anyone who has watched him play over his career can see how much better he is now than he was early on.
Save your hate for the people who need it, there are plenty out there. Magic is on our side!! Trust me, he wants NOTHING BUT THE BEST for the Lakers.
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I don't believe that any public criticism of Kobe is anything but a cheap jab. If Magic wants to be helpful he should confront Kobe personally. Kobe isn't some child you just toy with. Nor do I believe that public criticism (as opposed to his hard work and personal guidance from the coaching staff) had anything to do with his improvement.
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I watched it. Unless I missed something, there was no mention of Kobe nor the Lakers. He was asked about the failure to win at the Olympics and the WC's. He made a point to say that there will only be 1 Dream Team. Then he rattled off some excuses like lack of commitment and team play, also pointed out how now these young guys get millions before ever playing a minute in the NBA, which makes them lose motivation to improve. And those other guys (like Greece) can shoot and excel in the team game.
He then briefly talked about his new business venture. Apparently he is starting a travel agent business that will allow people to own their own business to a degree. The focus as usual with Magic's businesses is gonna be low income single parent families. They would be provided a computer with all the necessary software and training (for $5,000), and you're off selling trips to Kandahar from your basement. I think he's got great business sense but this one will flop imo. |
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| eniq 0x00 wrote: | | I don't believe that any public criticism of Kobe is anything but a cheap jab. If Magic wants to be helpful he should confront Kobe personally. Kobe isn't some child you just toy with. Nor do I believe that public criticism (as opposed to his hard work and personal guidance from the coaching staff) had anything to do with his improvement. |
exactly. the public jabs made him over force feed his teammates when he needed to be scoring. how man times have you seen him go off and we barely win, or barel lose a few years back. then the world would jump him in the media and say how he is to selfish. then all of a sudden he dishes out 8 assist and probably could've had more then that if the guys would hit the open shots. next thing you know, "kobe is being selfish trying to show the world why he normally doesn't pass it to his teammates. look at him over pass it." or the reverse "kobe is so selfish, he needs to pass the ball to involve his teammates, look at him So selfish."
then magic would occasionally chime in and agree with the later part. and like i always said. Kobe aint no Point guard. so even though magic has a point. magic was the PG. kobe is not and has never been. when you have to force your best scorer to be the PG(a guy that is over 6'4) something is wrong with the lineup, or something is wrong with the way the coaching staff is approaching the gameplan. thats the truth of it. This is why other scorer dont get jumped for literally hot dogging. because the way their teams are setup. its okay for them to do so. because they're in the proper position within the offense. But who wants to tell the truth? |
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| Divac12_NoviBeograd wrote: | | I watched it. Unless I missed something, there was no mention of Kobe nor the Lakers. |
Hey, get that crap outta here. Why ruin a perfectly good rant session on something that never happened. We don't see enough of the kind of thing around here.
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^ First I agree with your point except for the PG needing to be 6'4 and under.
Second, Magic has always said Kobe could do what Magic did but his mental approach to the game is different.
Third - Magic has always been my hero on the court, but the way he's treated Kobe and not defendend him while Barkley and the other goons just ran up for their free punch, I lost a lot of respect for him. This from the person who cried when I heard he had HIV
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Give me a break with this Magic apologistic crap. Kobe didn't need Magic's attacks when he was beyond stressed out during the year of his RAPE accusation. That wasn't motivational in the slightest, it was piling on a guy already terrified about his life and family. He didn't need attacks in any way, shape or form, so let's quit with that nonsense already. No one would have thought it appropriate to pile on Magic during his initial HIV scare when that used to be an automatic death sentence, and attacking Kobe during his rape case is no different. Magic was all about Magic and as a self-admitted Shaq lover, I have to believe Shaq's influence was a large part of it.
Back to present day, Magic has come around now that Shaq isn't here and he's seeing the team bond and excel together without a divisive influence. That's allowed not only Magic, but many around the team to see that perhaps it wasn't all about Kobe being a monster and Shaq being a saint. Consequently, perhaps Magic is finding himself better able to appreciate Kobe's game now.
He IS a human being and they CAN be influenced and find themselves taking sides during times of turmoil. Contrary to popular belief, Magic Johnson is not the Christ whereby he's perfect. |
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| LakerJam wrote: | Give me a break with this Magic apologistic crap. Kobe didn't need Magic's attacks when he was beyond stressed out during the year of his rape accusation. That wasn't motivational in the slightest, it was piling on a guy already terrified about his life and family. He didn't need attacks in any way, shape or form, so let's quit with that nonsense already. No one would have thought it appropriate to pile on Magic during his initial HIV scare when that used to be an automatic death sentence, and attacking Kobe during his rape case is no different. Magic was all about Magic and as a self-admitted Shaq lover, I have to believe Shaq's influence was a large part of it.
Back to present day, Magic has come around now that Shaq isn't here and he's seeing the team bond and excel together without a divisive influence. That's allowed not only Magic, but many around the team to see that perhaps it wasn't all about Kobe being a monster and Shaq being a saint. Consequently, perhaps Magic is finding himself better able to appreciate Kobe's game now.
He IS a human being and they CAN be influenced and find themselves taking sides during times of turmoil. Contrary to popular belief, Magic Johnson is not the Christ whereby he's perfect. |
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| postandpivot wrote: | | LakerJam wrote: | Give me a break with this Magic apologistic crap. Kobe didn't need Magic's attacks when he was beyond stressed out during the year of his rape accusation. That wasn't motivational in the slightest, it was piling on a guy already terrified about his life and family. He didn't need attacks in any way, shape or form, so let's quit with that nonsense already. No one would have thought it appropriate to pile on Magic during his initial HIV scare when that used to be an automatic death sentence, and attacking Kobe during his rape case is no different. Magic was all about Magic and as a self-admitted Shaq lover, I have to believe Shaq's influence was a large part of it.
Back to present day, Magic has come around now that Shaq isn't here and he's seeing the team bond and excel together without a divisive influence. That's allowed not only Magic, but many around the team to see that perhaps it wasn't all about Kobe being a monster and Shaq being a saint. Consequently, perhaps Magic is finding himself better able to appreciate Kobe's game now.
He IS a human being and they CAN be influenced and find themselves taking sides during times of turmoil. Contrary to popular belief, Magic Johnson is not the Christ whereby he's perfect. |
Just perfect^^^laker jam. you 've just been nominated for post of the week |
I second that nomination.
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Great stuff guys, right on queue!
I’m sure it was killing Kobe that he always publicly said that he loves Magic and has always been his all-time favorite and Magic would rarely defended him or even ask the public to give him a break.
I remember him saying something to the affect “that he likes Kobe, but he loves Shaq”.
It’s like he was jealous or threatened by Kobe’s love/legacy in L.A.  |
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I remember him saying something to the affect “that he likes Kobe, but he loves Shaq”.
It’s like he was jealous or threatened by Kobe’s love/legacy in L.A. |
Maybe Magic is just old school, and thinks that you win with big men, not perimeter players. If that was your belief, you would definitely suck to Shaq more than Kobe. As for Magic feeling threatened, I doubt that. He is still the greatest Laker of them all.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | jeso08 wrote: |
I remember him saying something to the affect “that he likes Kobe, but he loves Shaq”.
It’s like he was jealous or threatened by Kobe’s love/legacy in L.A. |
Maybe Magic is just old school, and thinks that you win with big men, not perimeter players. If that was your belief, you would definitely suck to Shaq more than Kobe. As for Magic feeling threatened, I doubt that. He is still the greatest Laker of them all. |
Actually I don't think it's that. It probably has to do with who you can relate more to.
Magic has the same funny, laid back demeanor that Shaq has. Magic was popular with teammates the way Shaq was through humor and basically being a big kid. They both love to entertain through their personalities.
Kobe is all about the game. I don't see why a guy like Magic would relate more to Kobe. I think a guy like Jordan would like Kobe more - because he would see that dedication and seriousness in Kobe that he has. Bryant is also the most loved player since Magic. The outpouring and support that Kobe got through his sexual assualt charges and Impending FA pretty much sealed his fate as a Laker. No Laker had ever got that kind of following or support through a crisis. I don't believe that Magic, Shaq or Phil thought for that the fans would be so pro-Kobe through the entire fiasco despite knowing that he was facing a potential jail sentence.
I think Magic has stated that Buss made the right decison (So that comment had nothing to do with who he would have chosen) - I'm sure that Magic if majority owner would choose a 26 year old franchise player over a 32 year old franchise player too. Especially if the 26 year old has a 5-1 favor with the Laker fans. Magic is an excellent buisness man. He wouldn't hurt his buisness that way for keeping the player he liked more as a person. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | jeso08 wrote: |
I remember him saying something to the affect “that he likes Kobe, but he loves Shaq”.
It’s like he was jealous or threatened by Kobe’s love/legacy in L.A. |
Maybe Magic is just old school, and thinks that you win with big men, not perimeter players. If that was your belief, you would definitely suck to Shaq more than Kobe. As for Magic feeling threatened, I doubt that. He is still the greatest Laker of them all. |
He may be the Greatest, but I don't think the fans ever loved him quite like they do Kobe. As evidenced by this board, Kobe's defended and loved as if he were LA's very own son. LA has watched him grow up, watched him learn to fail, learn to succeed, go through the rape case, and now him giving it his all to bring them back to the promised land. All this while, for the most part, the media has done everything to discredit their golden boy.
LA watched Magic and loved him as greatly as any city could love it's star player, but it just seems "different" than the love they have for Kobe. Magic was held in the highest of regard by all media members. Kobe doesn't get the same treatment, and for whatever reason, LA fans feel it necessary to defend him against any slight, either real or perceived.
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| magic_bryant wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | jeso08 wrote: |
I remember him saying something to the affect “that he likes Kobe, but he loves Shaq”.
It’s like he was jealous or threatened by Kobe’s love/legacy in L.A. |
Maybe Magic is just old school, and thinks that you win with big men, not perimeter players. If that was your belief, you would definitely suck to Shaq more than Kobe. As for Magic feeling threatened, I doubt that. He is still the greatest Laker of them all. |
He may be the Greatest, but I don't think the fans ever loved him quite like they do Kobe. As evidenced by this board, Kobe's defended and loved as if he were LA's very own son. LA has watched him grow up, watched him learn to fail, learn to succeed, go through the rape case, and now him giving it his all to bring them back to the promised land. All this while, for the most part, the media has done everything to discredit their golden boy.
LA watched Magic and loved him as greatly as any city could love it's star player, but it just seems "different" than the love they have for Kobe. Magic was held in the highest of regard by all media members. Kobe doesn't get the same treatment, and for whatever reason, LA fans feel it necessary to defend him against any slight, either real or perceived. |
I feel the same way. In fact, it makes me defensive to a fault when dealing with things related to Kobe. I saw him grow into the man that he is now, and to me (right now) he can do no wrong. I love his dedication, his hard work, his single-minded pursuit of winning, his sacrifice. It makes me proud for him to be on our team-and as such, I'll defend him when I see him being disgraced.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| eniq 0x00 wrote: | | magic_bryant wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | jeso08 wrote: |
I remember him saying something to the affect “that he likes Kobe, but he loves Shaq”.
It’s like he was jealous or threatened by Kobe’s love/legacy in L.A. |
Maybe Magic is just old school, and thinks that you win with big men, not perimeter players. If that was your belief, you would definitely suck to Shaq more than Kobe. As for Magic feeling threatened, I doubt that. He is still the greatest Laker of them all. |
He may be the Greatest, but I don't think the fans ever loved him quite like they do Kobe. As evidenced by this board, Kobe's defended and loved as if he were LA's very own son. LA has watched him grow up, watched him learn to fail, learn to succeed, go through the rape case, and now him giving it his all to bring them back to the promised land. All this while, for the most part, the media has done everything to discredit their golden boy.
LA watched Magic and loved him as greatly as any city could love it's star player, but it just seems "different" than the love they have for Kobe. Magic was held in the highest of regard by all media members. Kobe doesn't get the same treatment, and for whatever reason, LA fans feel it necessary to defend him against any slight, either real or perceived. |
I feel the same way. In fact, it makes me defensive to a fault when dealing with things related to Kobe. I saw him grow into the man that he is now, and to me (right now) he can do no wrong. I love his dedication, his hard work, his single-minded pursuit of winning, his sacrifice. It makes me proud for him to be on our team-and as such, I'll defend him when I see him being disgraced. |
Don't feel bad, I've done the same before. But I was mostly just making a point that I don't think the love for Magic was the same as the love the fans have for Kobe. Kobe's like family to most of the LA fans I've seen. They'll defend him through any and everything. Magic was treated as just another great artist, who just happened to be the best at his craft.
Kobe just has a different love and respect from his fans.
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you guys have been hitting the pipe too hard. no laker has ever meant more to the team, the city, and the fans than magic. his statue is in front of the freakin arena. it's not even close. kobe is a polarizing figure to a lot of people while EVERYONE loves magic.
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| Magic Johnson changed the game, he was the GOAT before Jordan came around, and could have arguably won more championships had he never contracted HIV. |
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| magic_bryant wrote: | | eniq 0x00 wrote: | | magic_bryant wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | jeso08 wrote: |
I remember him saying something to the affect “that he likes Kobe, but he loves Shaq”.
It’s like he was jealous or threatened by Kobe’s love/legacy in L.A. |
Maybe Magic is just old school, and thinks that you win with big men, not perimeter players. If that was your belief, you would definitely suck to Shaq more than Kobe. As for Magic feeling threatened, I doubt that. He is still the greatest Laker of them all. |
He may be the Greatest, but I don't think the fans ever loved him quite like they do Kobe. As evidenced by this board, Kobe's defended and loved as if he were LA's very own son. LA has watched him grow up, watched him learn to fail, learn to succeed, go through the rape case, and now him giving it his all to bring them back to the promised land. All this while, for the most part, the media has done everything to discredit their golden boy.
LA watched Magic and loved him as greatly as any city could love it's star player, but it just seems "different" than the love they have for Kobe. Magic was held in the highest of regard by all media members. Kobe doesn't get the same treatment, and for whatever reason, LA fans feel it necessary to defend him against any slight, either real or perceived. |
I feel the same way. In fact, it makes me defensive to a fault when dealing with things related to Kobe. I saw him grow into the man that he is now, and to me (right now) he can do no wrong. I love his dedication, his hard work, his single-minded pursuit of winning, his sacrifice. It makes me proud for him to be on our team-and as such, I'll defend him when I see him being disgraced. |
Don't feel bad, I've done the same before. But I was mostly just making a point that I don't think the love for Magic was the same as the love the fans have for Kobe. Kobe's like family to most of the LA fans I've seen. They'll defend him through any and everything. Magic was treated as just another great artist, who just happened to be the best at his craft.
Kobe just has a different love and respect from his fans. |
It wasn't the same love. It was leaps and bounds above anything fans have for Kobe. Magic was beloved by everyone. There just wasn't Lakersground or the internet to express it. Had there been, you'd have the same rabid obsession with Magic times 10.
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| eniq 0x00 wrote: |
I feel the same way. In fact, it makes me defensive to a fault when dealing with things related to Kobe. I saw him grow into the man that he is now, and to me (right now) he can do no wrong. I love his dedication, his hard work, his single-minded pursuit of winning, his sacrifice. It makes me proud for him to be on our team-and as such, I'll defend him when I see him being disgraced. |
Wow, there's a shocker. Just kidding, but what you wrote above would perfectly describe Magic, as well as Kobe, or most other NBA greats. It is likely more a generational thing than anything, some here didn't experience the electricity around LA and the Forum during the Showtime era. It was electric.
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Nah. Magic was loved by everyone. That's true. But I don't think it was the same as the way Kobe's fans. Kobe's fans aren't as great in numbers, I agree. But their level of support is insane. Any criticism offered and the critic is immediately labelled a hater.
Magic was revered. As a performer.
Kobe is treated as if he were everyone of his fans own son. "How dare you talk about my child that way!?!?", etc.
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| magic_bryant wrote: | Nah. Magic was loved by everyone. That's true. But I don't think it was the same as the way Kobe's fans. Kobe's fans aren't as great in numbers, I agree. But their level of support is insane. Any criticism offered and the critic is immediately labelled a hater.
Magic was revered. As a performer.
Kobe is treated as if he were everyone of his fans own son. "How dare you talk about my child that way!?!?", etc. |
Or it could just be Internet generation vs. non-Internet generation.
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I love both kobe and Magic 
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| Vancouver Fan wrote: | | I love both kobe and Magic |
Of course. How can you be a Lakers fan and NOT love both?
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