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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:32 am    Post subject: LAKERS -at- CLIPPERS - 12/2 - Thoughts and :-)) ratings

Depth Charge... The Lakers started the fourth quarter with Kobe on the bench resting and Lamar out with foul trouble. It was a key stretch when the Clippers could have tried to take control of the game. With Kwame as the only starter on the floor, they managed to not only hold down the fort, but extend the lead.

The Lakers bench depth played a critical role in securing the 97-88 win over the Clippers, and guaranteeing a split of the season series. The Lakers put together a rare combination of perimeter D and some clogging of the lane to sink the Clippers. "There was good balance," Phil said. "Our bench gave us some lift, coming up and providing us some scoring and defense."

The Lakers took advantage of 18 Clipper turnovers, converting them into an impressive 28 points. All 11 Lakers who played in the game scored, led by Vlad Rad off the bench. "That's what a team is about," Radmanovic said in the Daily News. "We all have to be aware that we can't only rely on two guys. They do a great job, but we all have to step up and take a game over sometimes. Tonight, we did a pretty good job, and hopefully, we're going to continue with that."


Kobe -- -- Kobe struggled at times to the tune of 7 turnovers and a couple shots blocked by Livingston. The Clippers did a good job crowing him with multiple defenders all night. Kobe still managed to score 29 points on 11-23 shooting (0-4 from three) and 7-8 from the line. He added 5 boards and 3 assists in his 39:52 of action. He played some turnover-prone ball in to start each half, then seemed to settle down. He missed a three early on trying to beat the shotclock. He was surrounded by four players in the paint, he spun and somehow threw in a hook before falling out of bounds. He attacked in transition, took contact in the paint and scored an And-1 over the help D. He missed a long jumper the next time down. Aggressive again on the next possession, he attacked off the dribble, spun past his man into the lane and scored with his left. He found Kwame in the lane after drawing a double and it resulted in an And-1. He threw away a pass in traffic in transition, resulting in points on the other end. He missed a turnaround. He forced another pass trying to find Bynum in traffic and it was picked off. He got swatted by Livingston on an attack. On the next possession, Kobe was called for a hook as he spun while trying to attack. He pumpfaked and hit a bank from the wing. The highlight play of the night: He took a feed cutting off Walton in the post, he spun in the air away from Kaman and flipped in a backwards layup. He got blocked in the lane again by Livingston, looking a bit hesitant on what he wanted to do. He slithered his way through the D off a screen from Kwame and scooped in a lefthander in a two-for-one situation at the end of the half. He had 13 points on 6-11 shooting and 3 assists in the first half. He started off the second half slow again, with a travel, a charge, a miss on the break, a bad-idea pass picked off for a layup, and a travel slipping on the floor. In between that, he swished a turnaround jumper from the elbow and drew FT on another attack, making just one. The Lakers lost their lead, and Kobe turned it up, attacking to split the double, stepping through and swishing a floater. He then attacked in transition, pulled up and swished a jumper in the middle of the lane. He swished a wing jumper working off a high screen. He missed a three with the clock low. He posted up, missed at the rim with his left, then slapped a ball loose from Maggette and we regained possession. He attacked off the dribble, took contact from Brand and banked in an And-1 with under a minute left (as chants of "MVP" were irking the Clipper fans). He drained a bunch of FTs in the final few seconds.

Odom -- -- Lamar struggled with foul trouble and eventually fouled out of the game. He was still very much part of the one-two punch offensively for the team, scoring 18 points on 8-13 shooting (2-5 from three) and dishing a couple of assists without a turnover. Defensively, he really helped anchor the paint and did especially well as we put him on Kaman again. He had a couple of silly reach and touch fouls that you could say his foul problem wasn't a result of being out-sized. Lamar still battled in that limited time with 8 boards, 3 blocks and 1 steal in just 31 minutes. There was also a brief stretch in this game where Phil had Lamar at the SF. Earlu in the game, Lamar attacked to his left, drew contact on Kaman and hit the And-1 bank, he missed the FT. Back in after a rest, he faced up and hit a wing jumper. He iso'd on Kaman and hit a stepback jumper that Kaman didn't have a chance on. He missed a three, Kobe got it back, drew the D and fed Lamar who attacked for a layup. He hit the rim on a halfcourt runner. He had 8 points on 4-7 shooting and 5 rebounds in the first half. He attacked in transition off a rebound and scored a layup. With the shotclock low, he took an inbounds pass and rattled in a corner three. Lamar picked up his third and fourth fouls and had to sit 5 minutes into the third quarter. Back in to start the fourth while Kobe sat, Lamar hit an iso jumper from 18 feet over Kaman. On the next defensive stand, he picked up a touch foul on the perimeter out of the zone (silly foul) and he had to sit. Off a Kobe jumpball, he squared up with the shotclock low and knocked down a 29-foot three from the wing to just about ice the game with 2 minutes left. Lamar fouled out with 42 seconds left when Livingston bricked a layup.

Walton -- -- Luke struggled to find his offensive game early on and put together one of his weaker nights, stat wise. He scored just 5 points on 1-6 shooting and had 2 assists with 3 turnovers in 31 minutes. He missed a baseline jumper. He missed a runner in the lane. He missed his fade in the lane. Good entry over the fronting D to set up Bynum for a layup. Another nice feed to Kobe over a defender for a layup. He missed a post up, strong off the glass. Luke finally set up from behind the arc and swished a three for his first make. On the other end, he then forced Kaman into a turnover with some help D under the hoop. With Cassell on him, Luke moved under the hoop, took an offensive board and drew a loose ball foul, he made both FTs with 2:53 left (Lakers were 3-12 from the line before those important makes).

Smush -- -- Smush played an excellent first half on both ends. The hustle was there defensively with some nice contests, rotations and defensive help on the boards. Cassell had 16 points, but on 16 shots and with just 4 assists with 5 turnovers on the night. The effort Smush put in defensively, as well as giving something back on the other end, was one of the keys for the Lakers holding the Clippers to just 88 points. Cassell hit a couple of jumpers early, then Smush forced him into a turnover challenging a jumper well. He missed a hurried looking three off a pinch post. Great hustle for an offensive board, he then gave it up to Kobe, got it back and hit a three. He disrupted a pass and Kwame picked it off, then he took it up court, ball faked Kaman out of a lane and scored a layup. He attacked off the high pinch post and scored off the glass over Mobley. He sank a corner jumper standing on the three line. He was called for a charge attacking Brand on the break (bad call). He drew a push-off foul (I think it was Smush) on Cassell on an inbounds pass. He missed a wide open 8-footer in the lane, got it back and drew FTs on Brand who was in disbelief (the bad call now evened out), Smush missed both FTs, however. He had 9 points on 4-6 shooting and 5 boards in the first half. He popped out behind a screen, quickly squared up and drained a wing jumper. He went under a screen when our big was playing for Smush to go over and we gave up a three. He missed a midrange jumper and a three. On a switch on Thomas defensively, Smush drew a push off when he went to the floor in the post. Good job by Smush tonight on both ends. Glad to see him step up the hustle like that.

Kwame -- -- A pretty strong game from Kwame defensively, although we had a few instances of not controlling the defensive glass. Still, none of the Clipper bigs went off and clogging the lane well at times. He ended the night with 3 blocks and 3 steals. Offensively, he couldn't connect on his FTs, going 1-6 from the line. He still scored 7 points on 3-5 shooting and pulled down 8 boards on the night. He had multiple touches early that resulted in turnovers: a bad pass, a fumbled dribble, and a pass off where he stood in the lane for three seconds. He also drew a foul and missed both FTs. Good help D swat on Cassell to save a hoop. He stole an inbounds pass (after we made a hoop) and it resulted in a score for LO. Great D jumping the passing lane to steal a post entry. He took a feed from Kobe, attacked, came to a stop under the hoop, head faked and scored an And-1 layup, he missed the FT. He posted up and bricked a jumphook badly off the glass. He bobbled away a sure offensive board. He dropped Cassell with no call at the end of the half (not the only guy to bounce off him during the game). He posted up and clanked badly off the backboard. Phil then benched him for Bynum as we weren't controlling the glass or getting post scoring. Back in later and Kwame gave his best effort of the night. He clogged the lane and took a charge on Maggette. He couldn't secure a defensive board and gave up an And-1, but he got an And-1 himself, the hard way...he drew a foul on Brand, made the first FT, missed the second, got his own board and scored a layup off a jumpstep. Great effort with under 5 minutes left battling on the offensive glass to pull one down and then get an And-1 to drop as he fell to the ground, he missed the FT. Kwame, who leads all Lakers this season on +/-, led the team tonight with a +12.

Bynum -- -- Bynum again worked off the bench, covering both Brand and Kaman defensively. He had a couple of nice contests. Brand was a tougher cover and he seemed to hold his own against Kaman. He had his moments offensively, although our post play was largely a token effort by the team tonight. Bynum scored 4 points on 2-2 shooting, had just 1 board, 2 assists, 1 block and 3 fouls in his 12 minutes. In late in the first and Brand quickly attacked him off the dribble for a foul. He was fronted by Kaman and Luke hit Bynum with a pass over the top for an easy layup. He picked up his second foul on a blocking call against Maggette and had to sit at the end of the first. Nice close out on a perimeter player to force an airball. He got a rare post touch, backed Kaman into the lane, then dropstepped him and banked easily.

Radmanovic -- -- Last game, Vlad didn't rally impact the action in the thick of the fight. Tonight, he was neck deep with both Kobe and Lamar on the bench to start the fourth quarter. He came up big on both ends of the floor during that stretch. Vlad led the bench in scoring with 10 points on 4-7 shooting (2-3 from three, nice to see) and he also had 3 boards in his 11 minutes. He outplayed his Clipper replacement, Tim Thomas, who had 3 points on 1-7 shooting in 14 minutes. Early on, Vlad Rad missed a three on his first attempt. He fired up his next three from the corner without hesitation and swished over the zone. Excellent pinch post attack, faking the handoff and attacking down the lane for a layup (I think that's about the third time he has done that this season and it should be a weapon he can pull out every game). He missed a pull-up jumper in the lane. He drew a hook on Maggette in transition D. Sasha attacked and kicked to Vlad in the corner and he swished a key rainbow three in the fourth. He attacked Thomas off the dribble, held the ball out with one hand and banked on the run. On the other end, he held his ground in the post against Thomas and we got a miss. He missed a midrange jumper. Nice offensive board from behind Thomas, Vlad got the ball back in the post against Mobley, but was stripped. That was his only turnover of the night. He hasn't had any of those "triangle turnovers" where he throws a lazy, predictable pass or gets himself into a bad situation out of the offense in the past two games.

Turiaf -- 8) -- Serviceable minutes from Ronny tonight. Good to see him get some run against the Clipper bigs. Ronny scored 2 points on 1-3 shooting and had 1 block and 1 steal in 8 minutes. Short stint with Bynum off the bench in the first. They went back to it early in the second half when Lamar got his fourth foul. Ronny bobbled a post feed, backed Kaman down and hit a jumphook over him in the middle of the lane. Excellent D on the pick and roll to recover and snag the return pass to his man (it resulted in a transition score). That's not the first time he's done that, and he really does defend the pick and roll pretty strong at times.

Evans -- -- He matched up with Maggette again, and although Maggette had 15 points on 5-9 shooting, Mo did a pretty good job defensively. For his part, Mo scored 4 points on 2-5 shooting in 16 minutes. He missed a corner three. He drew a charge on Maggette who tried to post him up. He missed a good looking jumper pulling up off a wing Kwame screen. He attacked the wing and kicked it out to an open Sasha for three. In off the bench in the third and he knocked down a long baseline jumper on his first touch. He posted up Maggette and swished a 9-foot turnaround. Good contest on Maggette off a screen and we got a miss (that extra effort to fight around the screen and contest well can make a lot of difference defensively). Mo was second on the night in +/- with a +10.

Farmar -- -- Jordan had a big time play in the fourth. With the shotclock running low, he took a kickout pass from Kwame while going to his left and he knocked down a one-footed runner over Kaman. For his other score earlier in the game, he attacked the paint against a zone, stopped on a dime and hit a short turnaround. He was 2-2 for 4 points and had 1 board and 1 assist without a turnover in 13 minutes. Defensively, he had a couple pass deflections and generally did a solid job.

Vujacic -- -- We had a couple of quality moments from Sasha and defensively, he didn't give up much of anything. He scored 3 points on 1-4 shooting and had 1 assist in 9 minutes. In to match up with Livingston, he swished a wing three on a drive and kick from Evans. Early in the fourth, he tried to attack off the dribble out of the offense, pulled it back, then attacked again and hit Radmanovic on the other side of the court for the open three (a key play). He missed a wing three. He clanked a wide open three from the corner and was then subbed out for Smush.

Phil -- -- Phil put Lamar (who had four fouls) in to start the fourth while he rested Kobe. He got a jumper from LO, but also the fifth foul just 35 seconds into the quarter and he had to yank him. He then went with a Farmar, Sasha, Evans, Radmanovic, Kwame lineup. They got multiple stops on one end and a three from Vlad, a turnaround from Evans, a drive from Vlad, a floater from Farmar and had the Lakers biggest lead of the night. That bought enough time for Kobe to rest and Lamar to sit... The Lakers went 1-7 from the line in the first half and were 3-12 from the line until the last three minutes, when they went 7-7... Phil benched Kwame for Bynum early in the third as we weren't getting any post scoring or securing defensive boards. Kwame came back later with a better effort. (Nice having that luxury as opposed to late last season.)...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:43 am    Post subject:

Nice game from Vlad Rad tonight.

By the way as many others do, I really appreciate how you break down the games every night. Especially when I havent been able to watch.

Thought I'd mention it.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:46 am    Post subject:

thanks for the recap db...not able to watch the game on TV or the 'net...

how was bynum in terms of effort and hustle coming off the bench tonight?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:51 am    Post subject:

dino wrote:

how was bynum in terms of effort and hustle coming off the bench tonight?


Not too bad. You'd like him to do a little better on the boards...but he also had some solid efforts contesting shots and that made a difference on a few occasions. Throwing him on Brand right off the bench is a tough assignment, considering Bynum's inexperience.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:02 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB.

We got a pretty good preview of what Radman might be able to bring this team once he's completely healthy. With that injury, he's had to fight for minutes by bringing energy and defense.

The Clips just seem a tad dispirited tonight. I wonder if that first loss to the Lakers let the air out of the tires of that Clipper team.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject:

Glad that you didn't see a bad movie like "Babel" before writing your always great analysis

Re: Substitution Patterns
It seems like, outside of Kobe and LO, Phil was making substitutions quicker/sooner in this game that provides the ability/opportunity to play full-out when on the court.

Did I imagine this?!?!

Can anybody provide the breakdowns to see if it my imagination(s) was real or not?!?!

Re: Livingston & Kobe
I halfway expected Kobe to go "one-on-one" when he was blocked by Livingston. He did one time when he drove the paint but got called for a "hooking" foul.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:23 am    Post subject:

angrypuppy wrote:

We got a pretty good preview of what Radman might be able to bring this team once he's completely healthy.


I think so, too. A good combination of his three-ball shooting to go with some creativity within the offense at different spots. Combine that with a little bit of D and you get some solid minutes.

It used to be that if he had daylight on a three, it was gone. We haven't seen that Vlad Rad with the injury and confidence in shooting with it issues. You see guys sag off him still quite a bit...that used to be trouble. Once he has that kind of confidence again, that will make the other parts of his game better.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 1:25 am    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
It seems like, outside of Kobe and LO, Phil was making substitutions quicker/sooner in this game that provides the ability/opportunity to play full-out when on the court.

Did I imagine this?!?!

Can anybody provide the breakdowns to see if it my imagination(s) was real or not?!?!


Check out Popcorn's game flows, you can see all the substitutions:

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 2:18 am    Post subject:

Thanks DB!

Anything that counts as a road win couldn't be too bad.

Farmar seemed to be a sparkplug.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 4:15 am    Post subject:

Thanks for the recap. It's great feeling to get W's.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:17 am    Post subject:

Thankyou very much for the recap!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:39 am    Post subject:

vlad was NOT going to be an "OO"-fer in this game. He was bummed about his sonics performance (his other former team). he knew what he could do with the clips, having practiced with them just last season. unlike our pfs of last year (in their given young stage of development), vlad WAS NOT in awe of eBrand, having practiced against him the entire last year. (eBrand had just eight rebbies..... however kaman had 12 .... a sore point also was we lost the rebbie battle by seven)....

if there is one player I would compare vlad to is, the UofU's forward tom chambers (who played with seattle and phoenix); chambers was a nba-all star mvp (when the game was held in seattle----> a little bit of homerism ). chambers had a nice midrange game; complementing his J was a very nice drive to the basket ala vlad. vlad, is a better defender (yes, I know I'll irk a few haters).

hey, dunleavy wanted Vlad to remain a clip; ended up with tim thomas.... I personally think we got the better end of the deal.

I'm liking the two headed center in kwame and 'drew; here's why:
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1. first and foremost, it brings down the MINUTES for 'drew from 22 mpg to a more reasonable, 11-15 mpg ; 'drew is probably done growing, but I'm sure he's still has a way to go with the physiological maturation. short minutes, intense play. give 'drew another year and a half.... look at yao..... he's a MUCH different center than when he first came into the league (I saw him do a back to back block (well almost, at least an intimidation, then block), in yesterday's game.

2. andrew is a student of the game, these spot minutes will allow him to go full out for the 11-15 mpg... much like running speed drills for distance runners. lessening 'drew's minutes, will allow him to develop & stay interested... without sacrificing his future contributions. and 'drew will contribute in the short term also (barring the dreaded "I" word )....INCLUDING later this season!!!**** imagine this for AD, getting to play the game you love, then having all your questions answered by either kareem (IMO one of the nba's greatest centers), phil, frank or kurt (who has gotten better these past few years as a coach)..... and who knows? chris mihm might be back by season's end (I would not count on it ) IMO: chris needs 12 to 18 months rest/recovery from his surgery a month or so ago).

3. both (active) centers know their roles..... kwame is the starter, 'drew is the future starter and understudy. kareem's always there give his take to bynum on the "means in which a big man produces for many a year"..... in other words, the best thing that kareem imparts to 'drew, is the professionalism, i.e. preparation, study and training/& more training.

4. the different centers give opposing front liners a different look, i.e. kwame's the banger with very quick moves, emotional (less volatile than two years ago). (with the hands of stone.... but getting better!!! ); bynum offers the length (albeit less athleticism than kwame.... however, IMO, he's athletic enough, softer hands.... (IMO: his attitude and emotional maturity are his most IMPORTANT assets).

5. the lakers are doing an UNDERRATED job, developing the young players.... kobe's been stellar in the lockerroom.... thanks in part to shaq+++


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****similarly, a few of the laker types remain steadfast that smush's playoff dive had much to do with playing relatively big minutes during the regular season (along with his then fragile ego ) ......

+++if there's one impression that shaq left on kobe, i.e. NOT to alienate potential contributors with one's own personal hidden agendae..... kobe's "unconditional love" is welcomed by numerous lakers, especially vlad and kwame....


similar to our two headed center; I'm beginning to like our two headed PG, i.e. smush/jordan.

smush offers length; anticipation and a different look (sometimes bad; but in the past few games a few good looks).... smush is getting better with regulated minutes....... last year he averaged 33 mpg for 82 games, (quite a jump from his previous 9 mpg for only 16 games (at phoenix). smush had to play a little more than the lakers would like him to play; due to matchup scenarios and foul issues...... last year he played several 44+ mpg late in the season....

jordan: I love his mid-range game... underrated IMO. I'm surprised by his quickness and anticipation. mostly, though, I'm very pleased with his sense of the game. he understands what needs to be done at the appropriate time, which doesn't necessarily mean scoring on his part. jordan has done this both on the offensive and defensive end. last night, I'd seen him make a move on an uncovered clipp (with the ball at top of the key), who would have either shot it or driven to the basket........ since farmar made a move to him, that player (I forgot exactly who... maggette, thomas, mobley, livingston, williams???? ).... anyway, the clipp with the ball became HESITANT..... jordan deserves a .... also... props to aaron mckie & bshaw, who's talked/worked with farmar on the defensive end.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 6:59 am    Post subject:

you know, i hadn't realized that bshaw and mckie were providing farmar what kareem is providing bynum -- veteran insight and counsel at the pro level -- until jeremy laid it out. both mentorships are going to pay off handsomely...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject:

thanks for recap DB. Good stuff.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 7:59 am    Post subject:

lakersflambe wrote:
you know, i hadn't realized that bshaw and mckie were providing farmar what kareem is providing bynum -- veteran insight and counsel at the pro level -- until jeremy laid it out. both mentorships are going to pay off handsomely...


good point flambe!

the lakers has taken a page out of the mav's coaching/mentoring schemes (of years past).

years ago, the mavs were kidded about having a coach for every nuance of the game.

IMO, in this day and age of acquiring younger players, it's imperative to provide the coaching AND mentoring.

the mavs were ahead of their time (I can't stand dallas ). similarly, the lakers have been stellar in this regard (i.e. adding coaching type/player support personnel).

so props also for craig hodges (shooting FT..... trying to help smush ; smush is getting better, but he regresses with this regard)...... also props to clem (jim cleamons) for the defensive adjustments...... also (as noted several times in the nba telecasts)...... props to tex winter, for working with the lakers the day AFTER that dreaded loss to the bucks (where the bucks switch to a defensive zone, then we ZONED cold (jacking up a record 37 or so treys ).... the tri is made to handle zones.... tex made his point, i.e. keep the spacing, run the offense and attack (& don't settle for jumpers)..... oh yes, also addressed was "passing to progress," not just passing around the perimeter, but pass to create or to set up some type of advantage...
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:00 am    Post subject:

jeremysnow wrote:
lakersflambe wrote:
you know, i hadn't realized that bshaw and mckie were providing farmar what kareem is providing bynum -- veteran insight and counsel at the pro level -- until jeremy laid it out. both mentorships are going to pay off handsomely...


good point flambe!

the lakers has taken a page out of the mav's coaching/mentoring schemes (of years past).

years ago, the mavs were kidded about having a coach for every nuance of the game.

IMO, in this day and age of acquiring younger players, it's imperative to provide the coaching AND mentoring.

the mavs were ahead of their time (I can't stand dallas ). similarly, the lakers have been stellar in this regard (i.e. adding coaching type/player support personnel).

so props also for craig hodges (shooting FT..... trying to help smush ; smush is getting better, but he regresses with this regards)...... also props to clem for the halftime defensive adjustments...... also (as noted several times in the nba telecasts)...... props to tex winter, for working with the lakers the day AFTER that dreaded loss to the bucks (where the bucks switch to a defensive zone, then we ZONED cold (jacking up a record 37 or so treys ).... the tri is made to handle zones.... tex made his point, spacing, run the offense and attack....


You should ask wolf about my thoughts on the Lakers-Dallas connection.

Seems as if we've become Dallas Mavericks 2.0, the mentally tough version.

The reliance on the 3-ball. Attacking from teh top of the key to pickup easy fouls. The reliance on always exploiting the mismatch in the post, be it at the 3, 4, or 5. The gritty team defense, despite NOT having a lot of DEFENSE-first players outside of Kwame, Turiaf, and Kobe.

Phil fell in love with the Mavericks last year, even picked them to win all at the beginning of the season and has now built the Lakers in that same mold.

Only differences? Lakers are A) mentally tough, B) have the two greatest winners at their respective positions in Kobe and Phil, and C) far better big man play in Bynum, Kwame, and Turiaf.

This team will reach the WCF. Winning the title is entirely dependent on how much was learned from last year's heart-breaking defeat, Bynum's ability to play with energy on the road as a starter OR backup, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Kobe taking the final step to his legendary status (which I think he will, given how willingly he's passed this ball).

I said it at the beginning of the year, everything else - the defense at PG, defense at 4/5, etc - won't matter once Kobe "gets it". Once he "gets it", the league will just have to wait for him to retire before they can expect the Lakers to not be an elite team.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:11 am    Post subject:

magic_bryant wrote:
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you know, i hadn't realized that bshaw and mckie were providing farmar what kareem is providing bynum -- veteran insight and counsel at the pro level -- until jeremy laid it out. both mentorships are going to pay off handsomely...


good point flambe!

the lakers has taken a page out of the mav's coaching/mentoring schemes (of years past).

years ago, the mavs were kidded about having a coach for every nuance of the game.

IMO, in this day and age of acquiring younger players, it's imperative to provide the coaching AND mentoring.

the mavs were ahead of their time (I can't stand dallas ). similarly, the lakers have been stellar in this regard (i.e. adding coaching type/player support personnel).

so props also for craig hodges (shooting FT..... trying to help smush ; smush is getting better, but he regresses with this regards)...... also props to clem for the halftime defensive adjustments...... also (as noted several times in the nba telecasts)...... props to tex winter, for working with the lakers the day AFTER that dreaded loss to the bucks (where the bucks switch to a defensive zone, then we ZONED cold (jacking up a record 37 or so treys ).... the tri is made to handle zones.... tex made his point, spacing, run the offense and attack....


You should ask wolf about my thoughts on the Lakers-Dallas connection.

Seems as if we've become Dallas Mavericks 2.0, the mentally tough version.

The reliance on the 3-ball. Attacking from teh top of the key to pickup easy fouls. The reliance on always exploiting the mismatch in the post, be it at the 3, 4, or 5. The gritty team defense, despite having a lot of DEFENSE-first players.

Phil fell in love with the Mavericks last year, even picked them to win all at the beginning of the season and has now built the Lakers in that same mold.

Only differences? Lakers are A) mentally tough, B) have the two greatest winners at their respective positions in Kobe and Phil, and C) far better big man play in Bynum, Kwame, and Turiaf.

This team will reach the WCF. Winning the title is entirely dependent on how much was learned from last year's heart-breaking defeat, Bynum's ability to play with energy on the road as a starter OR backup, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, Kobe taking the final step to his legendary status (which I think he will, given how willingly he's passed this ball).

I said it at the beginning of the year, everything else - the defense at PG, defense at 4/5, etc - won't matter once Kobe "gets it". Once he "gets it", the league will just have to wait for him to retire before they can expect the Lakers to not be an elite team.


You make me so excited about these guys. I'm also very happy to see Kobe have so much confidence in these guys and in seeing that look of determination that Odom had in his eyes against the Clips. I know he wanted to headhunt. That kid is slowly but surely building that killer instinct.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 9:02 am    Post subject:

thanks DB
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 11:10 am    Post subject:

I was impressed by the defense of Kwame, Odom and Parker.

Kwame - Positional D was good and was active at helping. Missed out on some box outs but that's forgivable considering the rest of his defensive game.

Odom - Lots of shotblocking and rebounding through crowds. Lamar really rebounded hard tonight - it's two consecutive games where I have seen him make a big difference for us in the rebounding department.

Parker - Very good effort. Lots of fighting for position and not allowing Cassell to just get any shot he wanted. While this is probably considered "average" D at the PG position where it is so hard to defend in this era, this is good D.

Other than that - big game from my boy Radmanovic. He's showing what I've been saying for the longest time. Talented player ... at 6'10 you can really see him have alot of success in the future.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:52 pm    Post subject:

magicbryant:

astute observation.

IMO, we're still at best, a year away from serious WCF contention; if we keep the core together and continue to develop chemistry, I expect further progress.

we'll be a much better team in a year, as farmar/smush/"whoever is acquired at PG," learns when to give our bigs the ball at the right time.

we're one solid player +; away from serious contention.

we just need someone, besides kobe and lamar, who'll get us the rebound when needed.


eniq: I agree that lamar is slowly healing from a lot of issues, last year it was his shoulder... this year it's jayden. the refs are giving lamar little headway, when it comes to fouls. hopefully, if he gets a nomination to the allstar team, he'll draw a lot more respect from the zebras. lamar is still a relatively young player..... IMO is one of the most unique players in the nba; just needs a little more umph! in his cuts to the basket (without the ball).

wolf: radman knows how to attack the spaces, off the dribble. the guy loves to battle and I like how he challenges shots close to the rim. I've noticed that his energy at the low post is contagious. radman has both the length and the grit to be a serviceable post player, off the dribble (vs. bcook). thus far, I've liked his vision and decisiveness.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 12:54 pm    Post subject:

jeremysnow wrote:
magicbryant:

astute observation.

IMO, we're still at best, a year away from serious WCF contention; if we keep the core together and continue to develop chemistry, I expect further progress.


The league is wide open IMO we have a chance.
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wolf: radman knows how to attack the spaces, off the dribble. the guy loves to battle and I like how he challenges shots close to the rim. I've noticed that his energy at the low post is contagious. radman has both the length and the grit to be a serviceable post player, off the dribble (vs. bcook). thus far, I've liked his vision and decisiveness.

Agreed. That is what I have been saying in the Radmanovic threads. He is still not the player he should be - because of that hand - but in the longrun this injury and offense will make him a far more complete player.

6'10 deadly 3 point shooter who can drive right, pass and post up is quite a steal for the MLE. When he puts it all together that is.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 3:06 pm    Post subject:

Good "Road" win for the Lakers. Great game played. The Clippers have a lot of work to do, to get back to where they were last year.
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wolf: radman knows how to attack the spaces, off the dribble. the guy loves to battle and I like how he challenges shots close to the rim. I've noticed that his energy at the low post is contagious. radman has both the length and the grit to be a serviceable post player, off the dribble (vs. bcook). thus far, I've liked his vision and decisiveness.

Agreed. That is what I have been saying in the Radmanovic threads. He is still not the player he should be - because of that hand - but in the longrun this injury and offense will make him a far more complete player.

6'10 deadly 3 point shooter who can drive right, pass and post up is quite a steal for the MLE. When he puts it all together that is.


He should complement LO well.


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True - I was thinking of that watching Radman. He loves to drive right and LO loves to drive left.

They'd be lethal tag team if we could get two balls out there !
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