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| LuxuryBrown wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LuxuryBrown wrote: |
 Dude, the facts are the facts: Kidd can't shoot and he dominates the rock = Not good for a Triangle PG. |
Just like Ron Harper, huh? |
Hmm? I take it someone doesn't remember Ron Harper pre-Laker days, do they?
Harper was NEVER a ball-dominant PG, in fact, he was never a PG until MJ came back and Phil moved him to PG. Also, Harp had a jumper...MUCH better than Kidd. |
You are right. Harper was never a ball dominant PG. He was a ball dominant SG, easy dinctintion to miss. Sort of like Jerry Stackhouse but with a more balanced game. Yet still one of the best triangle role players in existence, ball dominating or not. I guess for Harper it just took someone defining his role and putting giving him a chance in the triangle.
I doubt a selfless point guard like Jason Kidd could even hope to accomplish such a feat. Too bad.
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | LuxuryBrown wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LuxuryBrown wrote: |
Dude, the facts are the facts: Kidd can't shoot and he dominates the rock = Not good for a Triangle PG. |
Just like Ron Harper, huh? |
Hmm? I take it someone doesn't remember Ron Harper pre-Laker days, do they?
Harper was NEVER a ball-dominant PG, in fact, he was never a PG until MJ came back and Phil moved him to PG. Also, Harp had a jumper...MUCH better than Kidd. |
You are right. Harper was never a ball dominant PG. He was a ball dominant SG, easy dinctintion to miss. Sort of like Jerry Stackhouse but with a more balanced game. Yet still one of the best triangle role players in existence, ball dominating or not. I guess for Harper it just took someone defining his role and putting giving him a chance in the triangle.
I doubt a selfless point guard like Jason Kidd could even hope to accomplish such a feat. Too bad. |
Being a ball-dominant SG and a ball-dominant PG are completely different from each other. One runs the team and the other doesn't. No comparison whatsoever.
Why do you think it was easy for Harper to move to Triangle PG? Because it's basically the same as SG in other conventional offenses.
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^^^^ going into zen meditation Phil-Jax style...I refuse to argue about J-Kidd again, I refuse to argue about J-Kidd again
there's no place like home, there's no place like home....
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| LuxuryBrown wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LuxuryBrown wrote: |
Dude, the facts are the facts: Kidd can't shoot and he dominates the rock = Not good for a Triangle PG. |
Just like Ron Harper, huh? |
Hmm? I take it someone doesn't remember Ron Harper pre-Laker days, do they?
Harper was NEVER a ball-dominant PG, in fact, he was never a PG until MJ came back and Phil moved him to PG. Also, Harp had a jumper...MUCH better than Kidd. |
Harper was a ball dominant offensive player. A total offensive player, who changed when he went to the Bulls and they needed him to run the point. It is quite presumptious to think that Kidd could never do the same. Based on history, Phil thinks he can.
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| LakerSanity wrote: | ^^^^ going into zen meditation Phil-Jax style...I refuse to argue about J-Kidd again, I refuse to argue about J-Kidd again
there's no place like home, there's no place like home.... |
Again, because there's nothing to argue about, bro. There's no way you can compare Kidd to Ron Harper...makes no sense at all.
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True, Kidd is a much better player. But having a conception that the only player who can play PG for the Lakers is one that has triangle experience is being rather shortsighted.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | LuxuryBrown wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LuxuryBrown wrote: |
Dude, the facts are the facts: Kidd can't shoot and he dominates the rock = Not good for a Triangle PG. |
Just like Ron Harper, huh? |
Hmm? I take it someone doesn't remember Ron Harper pre-Laker days, do they?
Harper was NEVER a ball-dominant PG, in fact, he was never a PG until MJ came back and Phil moved him to PG. Also, Harp had a jumper...MUCH better than Kidd. |
Harper was a ball dominant offensive player. A total offensive player, who changed when he went to the Bulls and they needed him to run the point. It is quite presumptious to think that Kidd could never do the same. Based on history, Phil thinks he can. |
Bro, don't even try it. It's useless and senseless to try and ACTUALLY compare Harper to Kidd. Just stop it. 2 different players that played different positions. Not even close.
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| He's not worth trading for. We have something going with our squad this year. |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | True, Kidd is a much better player. But having a conception that the only player who can play PG for the Lakers is one that has triangle experience is being rather shortsighted. |
Um...show me where I EVER said that? I didn't, so where'd you get that from?
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From the fact that every PG that we discuss coming to the Lakers you dismiss because they are ball dominant and can't play the triangle. Though I know you are with me in welcoming Billups.
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | From the fact that every PG that we discuss coming to the Lakers you dismiss because they are ball dominant and can't play the triangle. Though I know you are with me in welcoming Billups. |
Not true, so I have no idea where you got that from? The only ball-dominant PG that keeps coming up is Kidd to which I say is a bad Triangle PG fit.
Why do you think the Lakers were going after guards like Antonio Daniels and Derek Anderson? Because their games wouldn't be affected if the rock is taken out of their hand once put into the triangle PG spot. They also have a good stroke and can bang from the 3. Those are the type of guards the Triangle O likes.
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Kidd is a cancer.
He has never won anything anywhere.
He deserves to be in New Jersey.
Don't want him.
Don't need him.
Don't like him.
I like the team we have and am patient enough to wait for their time next year or the year after.
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Well I am with you ventura. Only one team plays the triangle and only one coach has ever used it successfully in NBA history.
Until a player is given the chance to play for that coach, guessing how well they would fit in the triangle is just speculation.
To Ventura, myself, and many others, the evidence seems to point to Kidd being a good fit, to a minority including Luxury, he wouldn't.
Now when Kidd is never traded, no less to the Lakers, we can sit and ruminate on how all these arguments were worthless anyways.
Anyone want to argue about the estate tax with me? j/k
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| The Angry Buddhist wrote: | Kidd is a cancer.
He has never won anything anywhere.
He deserves to be in New Jersey.
Don't want him.
Don't need him.
Don't like him.
I like the team we have and am patient enough to wait for their time next year or the year after. |
You are an angry buhddist..I am enjoying the oxymoron.
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| Quote: | | To Ventura, myself, and many others, the evidence seems to point to Kidd being a good fit, to a minority including Luxury, he wouldn't. |
What "evidence"? You mean all of our OPINIONS? That's not evidence, bro
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evidence being Jason Kidd's career and play. That is the basic thing we disagree about.
You think there is no evidence to support Jason Kidd as a good fit, while we think there is a lot of it. I don't need to get into examples as again we have argued this point extensively.
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| Spurs are shopping Brent Barry. |
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| Quote: | | evidence being Jason Kidd's career and play |
But that's still not the evidence needed to be right or wrong. The ONLY evidence would be if he played in the triangle and either failed or succeeded. Using his career is a barometer at best but not evidence, since in his career he has never played in the triangle.
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| RetroNikes wrote: | | Spurs are shopping Brent Barry. |
Do it, Mitch! NOW!
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| RetroNikes wrote: | | Spurs are shopping Brent Barry. |
The best part is, they think they can get Maggette for him. |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | The Angry Buddhist wrote: | Kidd is a cancer.
He has never won anything anywhere.
He deserves to be in New Jersey.
Don't want him.
Don't need him.
Don't like him.
I like the team we have and am patient enough to wait for their time next year or the year after. |
You are an angry buhddist..I am enjoying the oxymoron. |
More of a dichotomy, or an ironic sobriquet, but hey, I'm probably only saying that because I'm enjoying an oxycontin 
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| LakerSanity wrote: | | The Angry Buddhist wrote: | Kidd is a cancer.
He has never won anything anywhere.
He deserves to be in New Jersey.
Don't want him.
Don't need him.
Don't like him.
I like the team we have and am patient enough to wait for their time next year or the year after. |
You are an angry buhddist..I am enjoying the oxymoron. |
I always say the same thing about President Bush.
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Jason Kidd's wife is shopping.... Do it Mitch!
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| LuxuryBrown wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | LuxuryBrown wrote: |
Dude, the facts are the facts: Kidd can't shoot and he dominates the rock = Not good for a Triangle PG. |
Just like Ron Harper, huh? |
Hmm? I take it someone doesn't remember Ron Harper pre-Laker days, do they?
Harper was NEVER a ball-dominant PG, in fact, he was never a PG until MJ came back and Phil moved him to PG. Also, Harp had a jumper...MUCH better than Kidd. |
oh no he didn't. cant let THAT one go. check back to harpers cleveland days. the reason they traded him to the clippers is because they were resigned to the fact that his release on his jumper would never change and therefore he would NEVER be a good shooter. harper could make an outside shot but he was NEVER someone any team counted on to be a consistent outside shooter. he shot outside shots, but his % was never considered "good." in chicago do you recall him being a 3 pt shooter? nope, it was kerr, kukoc (sp?), pippen, jordan, and all the rest. haprer's jumper was inconsistent past the free throw line. i know this because i followed his entire clipper career. |
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| RetroNikes wrote: | | Spurs are shopping Brent Barry. |
maybe the lakers could trade mckie and a 7th rd pick to get him? |
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