Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 10:29 am Post subject: How about this trade? D-Fish back to LA
As much as id love to get Jason Kidd,its just not looking realistic. I dont think we have to have a superstar PG to get over the hump. We just need a fundamentally sound PG ,who knows his limitations,will run the offense without costly mistakes,and knock down the 3 ball when wide open. Fisher is much more fundamentally sound then Smush,he won't make costly mistakes at crunch time.
Lakers Trade - Kwame , Brian Cook , Smush Parker
Lakers Receive - Matt Harpring and Derrick Fisher
It works for Utah because i think they would love to have Cook and Okur up front and run pick and pops all day long with Deron Williams. Kwame would provide defense for them off the bench,and Smush would backup Deron. I think it works for both teams. _________________ It's Showtiiiime
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: Re: How about this trade? D-Fish back to LA
Lamar2Kobe wrote:
As much as id love to get Jason Kidd,its just not looking realistic. I dont think we have to have a superstar PG to get over the hump. We just need a fundamentally sound PG ,who knows his limitations,will run the offense without costly mistakes,and knock down the 3 ball when wide open. Fisher is much more fundamentally sound then Smush,he won't make costly mistakes at crunch time.
Lakers Trade - Kwame , Brian Cook , Smush Parker
Lakers Receive - Matt Harpring and Derrick Fisher
It works for Utah because i think they would love to have Cook and Okur up front and run pick and pops all day long with Deron Williams. Kwame would provide defense for them off the bench,and Smush would backup Deron. I think it works for both teams.
Why would you want to trade for 6', soon to be 33 YO combo guard who has 3 more full seasons beyond this one @more than $20MM on his contract?
He has never been a great defender, career 40% shooter (BTW, that's exactly what he is shooting this season as well).
If he had expiring contract, I would understand the sentimental value of him finishing his career as a Laker. What for do you need him now?
Even horrible suggestion to trade for Earl Watson is better (he is younger, slightly cheaper and good defender, for a change)???
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The difference between Smush and Fisher is basketball fundamentals and IQ which is important in big games. Simple things like crossing half-court and tossing the ball out of bounds to Jack Nicholson or throwing the ball off Bynums foot in crunch time. You wont see Fisher doing that to often in close games. He was one of Tex Winters favorite players. He is also mentally tougher then Smush. Fisher is willing to take charges,do the little things. Also it's difficult to go deep in the playoffs with all youngsters,you need some veterens. Especially in the backcourt. The Bulls had Ron Harper ,BJ Armstrong,Paxon. All 3 were fundamentally sound players. We had Fisher,Brian Shaw ,Harper in the 3 peat years.
His percentage will go up playing with a superstar that draws double teams. In Utah he has to create his own shot a lot because they dont have players that draw double teams like Kobe and Lamar. _________________ It's Showtiiiime
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject:
Lamar2Kobe wrote:
The difference between Smush and Fisher is basketball fundamentals and IQ which is important in big games. Simple things like crossing half-court and tossing the ball out of bounds to Jack Nicholson or throwing the ball off Bynums foot in crunch time. You wont see Fisher doing that to often in close games. He was one of Tex Winters favorite players. He is also mentally tougher then Smush. Fisher is willing to take charges,do the little things. Also it's difficult to go deep in the playoffs with all youngsters,you need some veterens. Especially in the backcourt. The Bulls had Ron Harper ,BJ Armstrong,Paxon. All 3 were fundamentally sound players. We had Fisher,Brian Shaw ,Harper in the 3 peat years.
His percentage will go up playing with a superstar that draws double teams. In Utah he has to create his own shot a lot because they dont have players that draw double teams like Kobe and Lamar.
Just say you hate Smush. It would have been easier than trying to masquerade it with a ridiculous trade scenario. _________________
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The difference between Smush and Fisher is basketball fundamentals and IQ which is important in big games. Simple things like crossing half-court and tossing the ball out of bounds to Jack Nicholson or throwing the ball off Bynums foot in crunch time. You wont see Fisher doing that to often in close games. He was one of Tex Winters favorite players. He is also mentally tougher then Smush. Fisher is willing to take charges,do the little things. Also it's difficult to go deep in the playoffs with all youngsters,you need some veterens. Especially in the backcourt. The Bulls had Ron Harper ,BJ Armstrong,Paxon. All 3 were fundamentally sound players. We had Fisher,Brian Shaw ,Harper in the 3 peat years.
His percentage will go up playing with a superstar that draws double teams. In Utah he has to create his own shot a lot because they dont have players that draw double teams like Kobe and Lamar.
Just say you hate Smush. It would have been easier than trying to masquerade it with a ridiculous trade scenario.
dude...everybody knows where you stand on the pg issue...why even chime in ? back to the sack
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject:
lamarvelousodom wrote:
LuxuryBrown wrote:
Lamar2Kobe wrote:
The difference between Smush and Fisher is basketball fundamentals and IQ which is important in big games. Simple things like crossing half-court and tossing the ball out of bounds to Jack Nicholson or throwing the ball off Bynums foot in crunch time. You wont see Fisher doing that to often in close games. He was one of Tex Winters favorite players. He is also mentally tougher then Smush. Fisher is willing to take charges,do the little things. Also it's difficult to go deep in the playoffs with all youngsters,you need some veterens. Especially in the backcourt. The Bulls had Ron Harper ,BJ Armstrong,Paxon. All 3 were fundamentally sound players. We had Fisher,Brian Shaw ,Harper in the 3 peat years.
His percentage will go up playing with a superstar that draws double teams. In Utah he has to create his own shot a lot because they dont have players that draw double teams like Kobe and Lamar.
Just say you hate Smush. It would have been easier than trying to masquerade it with a ridiculous trade scenario.
dude...everybody knows where you stand on the pg issue...why even chime in ? back to the sack
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I'm certainly no fan of Smush, but seriously, at 33 yrs of age Fisher is not really an upgrade. Throw in that toxic contract of his and all I can say is..Don't do it Mitch!! _________________ Ringo "You retired too?"
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The difference between Smush and Fisher is basketball fundamentals and IQ which is important in big games. Simple things like crossing half-court and tossing the ball out of bounds to Jack Nicholson or throwing the ball off Bynums foot in crunch time. You wont see Fisher doing that to often in close games. He was one of Tex Winters favorite players. He is also mentally tougher then Smush. Fisher is willing to take charges,do the little things. Also it's difficult to go deep in the playoffs with all youngsters,you need some veterens. Especially in the backcourt. The Bulls had Ron Harper ,BJ Armstrong,Paxon. All 3 were fundamentally sound players. We had Fisher,Brian Shaw ,Harper in the 3 peat years.
His percentage will go up playing with a superstar that draws double teams. In Utah he has to create his own shot a lot because they dont have players that draw double teams like Kobe and Lamar.
Just say you hate Smush. It would have been easier than trying to masquerade it with a ridiculous trade scenario.
dude...everybody knows where you stand on the pg issue...why even chime in ? back to the sack
I'm sorry, are you a mod? No. So, since you aren't, you're in no position whatsoever to tell me nor anyone else what they can and cannot post. If you have a problem with certain posts, don't respond to them.
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Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject:
lamarvelousodom wrote:
LuxuryBrown wrote:
lamarvelousodom wrote:
LuxuryBrown wrote:
Lamar2Kobe wrote:
The difference between Smush and Fisher is basketball fundamentals and IQ which is important in big games. Simple things like crossing half-court and tossing the ball out of bounds to Jack Nicholson or throwing the ball off Bynums foot in crunch time. You wont see Fisher doing that to often in close games. He was one of Tex Winters favorite players. He is also mentally tougher then Smush. Fisher is willing to take charges,do the little things. Also it's difficult to go deep in the playoffs with all youngsters,you need some veterens. Especially in the backcourt. The Bulls had Ron Harper ,BJ Armstrong,Paxon. All 3 were fundamentally sound players. We had Fisher,Brian Shaw ,Harper in the 3 peat years.
His percentage will go up playing with a superstar that draws double teams. In Utah he has to create his own shot a lot because they dont have players that draw double teams like Kobe and Lamar.
Just say you hate Smush. It would have been easier than trying to masquerade it with a ridiculous trade scenario.
dude...everybody knows where you stand on the pg issue...why even chime in ? back to the sack
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I had the same feeling with Fish that I now have with Smush ...
Please God ... can't the franchise with a history of the greatest PGs ever PLEASE find SOMEONE to play the point who can facilitate AND defend??? PLEASE????
In case you don't understand ... my answer to a trade for Fish would be a very LOUD and CLEAR ....
There is no such thing as lockdown PG defense. What elite team in the NBA has a lockdown defender at PG? With the new rules where you can't even touch the PG ,to go along with having to get through screens ,it's nearly impossible to lockdown a quality PG. Did you watch the Nets vs Jazz game last night? Deron Williams got through screens just as easy with Jason Kidd guardng him as opposed to if Smush was guarding him. The difference is Kidd hustled more to rotate to other's,while someone else picks up his man. If you get by Smush and someone else picks up his man,he won't hustle to there man. Defense against quality PG's has to be a team effort. Rotate ,collapse,and quickly get back to your man. You have to hustle. This is how the Spurs and Pistons defend.
Like i said Fisher brings the intangibles that Smush does not have,and that can help in close games. Remember Game 6 last season,we had a 1 point lead with like 55 seconds remaining,and Kobe was on fire. Smush takes it,and does that ridiculous out of control spin move and bricks. The Lakers got a stop on the other end,and Kobe scored and we went up by 3. My point is had Smush not wastd that previous possession with a bad shot,we could have gone up by 5 on Kobe's layup over Marion ,instead of 3. Smush does this a lot in close games.
Fisher does not make silly mistakes where he basically loses the game for you because of costly turnovers. There is a reason Tex Winter called Fisher one of the smartest and steadiest players he has ever coached. _________________ It's Showtiiiime
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:49 am Post subject:
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Please God ... can't the franchise with a history of the greatest PGs ever PLEASE find SOMEONE to play the point who can facilitate AND defend??? PLEASE????
Actually, the Lakers have only had 1 great PG...2 if you wanna say Logo was a PG. _________________
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Please God ... can't the franchise with a history of the greatest PGs ever PLEASE find SOMEONE to play the point who can facilitate AND defend??? PLEASE????
Actually, the Lakers have only had 1 great PG...2 if you wanna say Logo was a PG.
"IF" we want to say West was a PG? Are you going to hold his ability to do it all against him??? He averaged 10 apg during our greatest season ever while still scoring 26 ppg. Yeah ... pretty fair PG.
As to only having 2 great ones ... yes ... only two hall of famers. However, we also had a few pretty decent PGs running the show sandwiches around the HoFers such as Jim Price, Lucius Allen, Norm Nixon ... who only averaged more than 8 apg for his career and still managed to score at a 16 ppg clip ... and, of course, the head case Nick the Quick.
I'd even take a young NVE over Fish or Smush and I HATED his attitude.
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:38 am Post subject:
The_Coach wrote:
LuxuryBrown wrote:
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Please God ... can't the franchise with a history of the greatest PGs ever PLEASE find SOMEONE to play the point who can facilitate AND defend??? PLEASE????
Actually, the Lakers have only had 1 great PG...2 if you wanna say Logo was a PG.
"IF" we want to say West was a PG? Are you going to hold his ability to do it all against him??? He averaged 10 apg during our greatest season ever while still scoring 26 ppg. Yeah ... pretty fair PG.
As to only having 2 great ones ... yes ... only two hall of famers. However, we also had a few pretty decent PGs running the show sandwiches around the HoFers such as Jim Price, Lucius Allen, Norm Nixon ... who only averaged more than 8 apg for his career and still managed to score at a 16 ppg clip ... and, of course, the head case Nick the Quick.
I'd even take a young NVE over Fish or Smush and I HATED his attitude.
West was never listed as PG, that's why I said that. But even still, it's just 2 great PGs. Those others you mentioned don't fall under the "great PG" category. _________________
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