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shaka zulu
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| Smush killed the momentum with the foul on snow and the technical foul, before this the lakers were up 7 points with the MO going there way. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Unbelievable. Hold on to Kwame instead of Kidd??
I gotta wonder just what games people have been watching. Right now, Kidd solves more of our problems than almost any other player out there could. Yes - he's getting a little on the old side. Yes - his knee is always a worry. Yes - his contract is large. But damm - his impact would be bigger than any of those worries IMHO. He is still playing top 5 ball at his position.
And not only that - free agents would be LOVE to play here again with Kidd on board, and not use us as leverage like they have been. Guaranteed.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| TEEGUNN wrote: | Unbelievable. Hold on to Kwame instead of Kidd??
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What is unbelievable is people can't see what Kwame brings by his abscence in this skid.
We are horribly soft.
Trading for Kidd makes us a slightly better version of the Nets. It does not get us out of the West nor near a championship.
Kidd will do great against the big PGs like Billups and he will do just ok vs speedy PGs. Granted that is alot better than Smush but we will be gashed on the inside.
It does not matter that Kidd gets more rebounds than Kwame. Kwame keeps our interior from collapsing and allows other Lakers to grab rebounds.
If Kwame was in there Anderson does not push Lamar under the basket for that key rebound off the LeBron FT miss. Because he is on Anderson.
We don't win the championship if we trade and we don't win it staying pat.
In that situation I would rather keep the 25 year old defensive C than the 34 year old All-Star PG making twice as much money with double the yeas left.
And Jason Collins sucks hard core. He can't shoot, he can' finish around the basket, he can't defend the post or perimenter.And he sucks as a rebounder too.
He can fall on his ass(flop) and he can set picks. Thats it.Any potential center worth a damn would require we give up something good to get him.
To plug in that hole at C with Kwame gone we would have to open up another one.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: |
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I guess since the Lakers have been talking to everyone about trading Kwame, that means they don't agree with you? Kwame is gone after next season even if he isn't traded. Kwame is as inconsistent as any player on this extremely inconsistent team. The best thing about having him healthy is making the bench stronger.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| Kwame can't play PF (or won't), and Drew is our future at C. Trade Kwame in a package for Kidd. Now. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| NestT wrote: | | TEEGUNN wrote: | Unbelievable. Hold on to Kwame instead of Kidd??
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And Jason Collins sucks hard core. He can't shoot, he can' finish around the basket, he can't defend the post or perimenter.And he sucks as a rebounder too.
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He related to Kwame and Samaki by any chance? |
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It's hilarious how absent can inflate one's value. Right now, Kwame's value is more the fact that Bynum can bolster up our bench, way more than his actual contribution. People act as if this team won 50 games with Kwame last year  |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| Michlake wrote: | | The Buss wrote: | | Michlake wrote: | | GameCock-MD wrote: | | venturalakersfan wrote: | | If we are worried about rebounding, consider that Kidd is a better rebounder than Kwame is. |
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yep and playing defense on the PG was just as big of a problem as rebounding, Kidd helps there too. |
Kidd's knee is what bothers me. |
sure, but you have to risk it on a Hall of famer. especially when you are only giving up kwame and maybe Farmar |
Farmar is one of only 3 quality draft choices we have made over the last decade. The kid has the potential to be a key piece in the the post-Kobe/Jackson Lakers era. Give em Kwame + (Evans, Cook, Sasha, Mckie, Mihm, Parker, VladRad, Williams), but Farmer, Turiaf, and Bynum, are the building blocks for the next chapter. As good as Kidd is, and as much as he would help us now (and he would help us a lot), I don't want to sacrifice our future for a 34 year old with bad knees. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| NestT wrote: | | TEEGUNN wrote: | Unbelievable. Hold on to Kwame instead of Kidd??
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What is unbelievable is people can't see what Kwame brings by his abscence in this skid.
We are horribly soft.
Trading for Kidd makes us a slightly better version of the Nets. It does not get us out of the West nor near a championship.
Kidd will do great against the big PGs like Billups and he will do just ok vs speedy PGs. Granted that is alot better than Smush but we will be gashed on the inside.
It does not matter that Kidd gets more rebounds than Kwame. Kwame keeps our interior from collapsing and allows other Lakers to grab rebounds.
If Kwame was in there Anderson does not push Lamar under the basket for that key rebound off the LeBron FT miss. Because he is on Anderson.
We don't win the championship if we trade and we don't win it staying pat.
In that situation I would rather keep the 25 year old defensive C than the 34 year old All-Star PG making twice as much money with double the yeas left.
And Jason Collins sucks hard core. He can't shoot, he can' finish around the basket, he can't defend the post or perimenter.And he sucks as a rebounder too.
He can fall on his ass(flop) and he can set picks. Thats it.Any potential center worth a damn would require we give up something good to get him.
To plug in that hole at C with Kwame gone we would have to open up another one. |
You do know that Anderson was not on Lamars side, in fact he was on Ronnys side. Lamar was to busy boxing out his guy like he was supposed to, why is that Lamars fault? The rebound went right over Ronnys head, but Lamar is blamed for it? WOW |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: |
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if we get collins with kidd, kwame is a none issue.
collins is a great low post defender. that's what he does best - just like kwame. and although he usually played pf for the nets - he's a 7 footer and can play center for us.
collins and kidd more than compensate for kwame's rebounding too.
the problem now becomes financial, but that's a different discussion all together.
if kidd comes with collins, kwame will be a distant memory in a matter of days. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| NBAFan07 wrote: |
You do know that Anderson was not on Lamars side, in fact he was on Ronnys side. Lamar was to busy boxing out his guy like he was supposed to, why is that Lamars fault? The rebound went right over Ronnys head, but Lamar is blamed for it? WOW |
Maybe that is true I only saw the play once before turning the TV off.
I just saw Anderson with his forearem on Lamars back while he was under the basket.
Same difference. Soft.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:30 am Post subject: |
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| davidse wrote: | if we get collins with kidd, kwame is a none issue.
collins is a great low post defender. that's what he does best - just like kwame. a
if kidd comes with collins, kwame will be a distant memory in a matter of days. |
Collins sucks as low post defender. Sucks. He may get some premier low post offensive player into foul troube from time to time but other than that he sucks.No where near Kwame.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:32 am Post subject: |
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Could we use Kwame's lost post defense?? Hell yes.
But take into account his lack of rebounding and scoring.
Take into account the fact that he shoots 40% from the line.
Take into account that it's a crap shoot if he actually catches a post entry pass.
Take into account we aren't resigning him after next year anyway.
And we have the chance to move him as the biggest piece in a trade for Jason Kidd - and people are balking?!?
I'm at a loss for words - really, I am. If ever there was a no-brainer trade, this is it.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| NestT wrote: | | davidse wrote: | if we get collins with kidd, kwame is a none issue.
collins is a great low post defender. that's what he does best - just like kwame. a
if kidd comes with collins, kwame will be a distant memory in a matter of days. |
Collins sucks as low post defender. Sucks. He may get some premier low post offensive player into foul troube from time to time but other than that he sucks.No where near Kwame. |
you simply have no idea what you're talking about.
he's one of the elite low post defenders in the nba. you could argue that its the only thing he does well, but that's a different story. its not even a matter of opinion - he's a great low post defender. |
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| Bynum cant get a break, not from Laker fans and damn sure not the referees. Bynum gets in foul trouble because we cant stop dribble penetration worth a damn, only one foul that i saw that was his fault when he jumped too early and Varejo got the and 1. Other than that, when eric snow, let me reprase that, ERIC (bleep) SNOW is taking your point guards off the dribble ( WORD TO SMUSH) and going to the basket like he's D- Wade, you have bigger problems than Bynum being soft. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| venturalakersfan wrote: | | I guess since the Lakers have been talking to everyone about trading Kwame, that means they don't agree with you? Kwame is gone after next season even if he isn't traded. Kwame is as inconsistent as any player on this extremely inconsistent team. The best thing about having him healthy is making the bench stronger. |
Says who? There is nothing concrete on that. If Kwame is gone next week you can crow.Right now there is no proof. People posting here that this or that trade is happening have been wrong at the trade deadline for years.
I can almost gaurantee that the Lakers will not let Kwame walk for nothing.If he is traded in the summer or next year hopefully it is for something better than a 34 year old with MF surgery on a knee.
But we both don't know exactly what the FO thinks until they trade Kwame,let him walk, or sign him to another contract.
We shall see.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:42 am Post subject: |
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| davidse wrote: | | NestT wrote: | | davidse wrote: | if we get collins with kidd, kwame is a none issue.
collins is a great low post defender. that's what he does best - just like kwame. a
if kidd comes with collins, kwame will be a distant memory in a matter of days. |
Collins sucks as low post defender. Sucks. He may get some premier low post offensive player into foul troube from time to time but other than that he sucks.No where near Kwame. |
you simply have no idea what you're talking about.
he's one of the elite low post defenders in the nba. you could argue that its the only thing he does well, but that's a different story. its not even a matter of opinion - he's a great low post defender. |
You are completely clueless. Elite? Laughable. If that were the case they would not consider trading Kidd for Kwame.
In that case they have a great low post defender now, pay him less than Kwame, and they have Kidd.
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like i said - money is an issue. big big issue if we get kidd.
and if you don't know that low post defense is collin's specialty - you have no right to use the term "clueless". |
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| davidse wrote: | like i said - money is an issue. big big issue if we get kidd.
and if you don't know that low post defense is collin's specialty - you have no right to use the term "clueless". |
Collins specialty is low post defense and he just recently put it on display when the nets played the knicks at madison square garden when he shut eddie curry all the way down. |
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| SQUAD UP wrote: | | Bynum cant get a break, not from Laker fans and damn sure not the referees. Bynum gets in foul trouble because we cant stop dribble penetration worth a damn, only one foul that i saw that was his fault when he jumped too early and Varejo got the and 1. Other than that, when eric snow, let me reprase that, ERIC (bleep) SNOW is taking your point guards off the dribble ( WORD TO SMUSH) and going to the basket like he's D- Wade, you have bigger problems than Bynum being soft. |
Well, I think Bynum can help matters a little bit by cutting off the penetration, instead of waiting till the last moment. See, what makes Kwame so effective is that he cuts off penetration before the point guard ever gets into the charge area. Ronny and Bynum can learn a lot about this. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Look - no one wants to take on Collins when he costs 12 mil per with lux tax. And no one wants to give up Farmar.
Which is why Kidd isn't in PnG yet.
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| Nets fans cringe over Collins' offense just as much as we cringe over Kwame's. Neither a great rebounder. They are a wash in all aspects. 2 big trees with no offensive game. Kwame wouldn't be missed if he was replaced by Collins, it would be as if he never left. |
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| ProjectAB wrote: | | SQUAD UP wrote: | | Bynum cant get a break, not from Laker fans and damn sure not the referees. Bynum gets in foul trouble because we cant stop dribble penetration worth a damn, only one foul that i saw that was his fault when he jumped too early and Varejo got the and 1. Other than that, when eric snow, let me reprase that, ERIC (bleep) SNOW is taking your point guards off the dribble ( WORD TO SMUSH) and going to the basket like he's D- Wade, you have bigger problems than Bynum being soft. |
Well, I think Bynum can help matters a little bit by cutting off the penetration, instead of waiting till the last moment. See, what makes Kwame so effective is that he cuts off penetration before the point guard ever gets into the charge area. Ronny and Bynum can learn a lot about this. |
Yes kwame does cut off penetration beforehand. |
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| Capt.Skyhook wrote: | | Nets fans cringe over Collins' offense just as much as we cringe over Kwame's. Neither a great rebounder. They are a wash in all aspects. 2 big trees with no offensive game. Kwame wouldn't be missed if he was replaced by Collins, it would be as if he never left. |
In the westren conference kwame can play the screen n roll pretty well giving him the advantgae defensively, kwame is pretty quick when he jumps the point guards no matter who it is. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| shaka zulu wrote: | | davidse wrote: | like i said - money is an issue. big big issue if we get kidd.
and if you don't know that low post defense is collin's specialty - you have no right to use the term "clueless". |
Collins specialty is low post defense and he just recently put it on display when the nets played the knicks at madison square garden when he shut eddie curry all the way down. |
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