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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 9:56 pm    Post subject: LAKERS -at- BUCKS - 3/7 - Thoughts and :-(( ratings

Decimated... Pick a definition of "decimated": 1. To inflict great destruction or damage on. 2. To reduce markedly in amount... Either one will do.

This game was lost back against the Spurs when the league decided to make up new suspensions. Kobe flailed again on a blocked shot last night and was forced to sit out this one as predicted. Throw in Ronny Turiaf, who didn't suit up because of the back spasms, and you've got yourself pretty good unit...on the DNP list.

It was tough mulling over who should lead off this report. We'll go with the leading scorer for the Lakers.


Evans -- -- We had Cold Mo last night, so Hot Mo showed up and led the Lakers with 22 points on 9-16 shooting. Not that it mattered. He brought his usual energy and tonight he was getting some of those perimeter in midrange shots to fall. He missed his first jumper, usually not a good sign. He drained his next look, however, from three. So, there was hope. He cleaned up a Bynum miss with a putback layup. After Patterson overpowered him on one end, Mo scored over him on the other. He hit a baseline jumper with the shotclock low. He drew FTs off an interior feed from Kwame, he made both. He attacked from the corner and scooped in a layup. Nice read defensively, switching under the hoop and stealing the pass. He missed a wing jumper. He hit a baseline jumper from 10 feet away. He got blocked twice at the rim by Skinner. He sank an odd looking hook or layup, not sure which, with his left. He attacked off the dribble and scored an And-1, he made the FT. He threw down a reverse dunk in the last minute.

Bynum -- -- Bynum missed a few chippies and short jumpers in this one. Defensively, it seemed like he was a second late to all the penetration we were giving up. Hi energy was pretty average after playing 39 minutes the night before. He scored 7 points on 2-6 shooting, grabbed 6 boards and had 1 assist in 26:32 of clock. For the second game in a row, he didn't block a shot. He hit Cook for the open jumper on his first post touch. He faced up, spun and missed a good look at a short jumper. He missed another good look at a jumper on his next touch. He missed another short jumper that he should have just powered up and tried to dunk on. He took the high entry over the smaller man and scored a layup. He drew his third foul midway through the second quarter battling for an offensive board (cheap call) and had to sit. He posted up Bogut, spun as Bogut flopped and hit the short jumper at the front of the rim. He was fouled on a double team and made one FT. He was fouled under the hoop and hit a couple FTs.

Cook -- -- After a career high 49 minutes last night against the TWolves, Cook played a team-high 40:23 in this one. Phil had to go with a rare Bynum/Kwame lineup for a few minutes just to get Cook some rest. What a mess. Cook scored 20 points on 9-16 shooting, had 5 boards and 2 assists. He sank a wing jumper off the pick and pop. He hit a short jumper on his next attempt. He flashed to the FT line, took the Bynum feed and hit the open jumper on his third attempt, scoring the Lakers first 6 points. He missed a three. He didn't square up and missed a sideline jumper. He got his next jumper to fall after it bounced three times on the front rim. He missed a short jumper, then tipped it in from behind Patterson. He drained a jumper from the top of the key on our last possession of the half. He missed an easy one not finishing strong off the interior feed from Bynum. He hit a runner over Skinner. He attacked off the dribble, drew a foul and made both FTs. He faced up and drained a wing jumper.

Smush -- -- The Bucks have a couple of free agent guards that could potentially take Smush's job if the Lakers were to go after them. Both had their moments -- Mo Williams with 10 points, 13 assists and Charlie Bell with 20 points and 2 assists. None of our guards showed much game tonight. Smush scored 10 points on 2-7 shooting (6-8 from the line), 5 assists and 2 turnovers in 26 minutes. He hit a jumper from the top of the key. He missed a forced shot off the glass, then fouled in the backcourt. He picked up his second foul attacking off a curl and had to sit with a few minutes left in the first. Kwame found him cutting on the baseline and he drew FTs, making one. He tripped and Mo Williams stole the ball. Smush started to get chewed up by Mo, who began to kill us dribble penetration...without the use of screens some of the time. Smush attacked off the dribble, spun and drew FTs, he made both. He drew a perimeter foul and made one FT. He attacked and kicked to McKie for a jumper. He missed a three, followed it up, took the board and scored a layup.

Vujacic -- -- Ugly game at times from Sasha. Fans hoping to see No. 24 making their jaws drop with sensational plays instead got to see Sasha. If only he could have gotten hot and dropped 40 points and 7 or 8 assists on the Bucks. Sasha, instead, finished with 6 points on 2-7 shooting, 3 boards, 3 assists with 2 turnovers and 1 steal in 27 minutes. He started off with a horrible entry to Bynum that was easily picked off. He missed a wing three. Another horrible return pass to Bynum that clanked off the rim. He then dribbled a ball out of bounds after we came up with a steal. He sank a long three over the zone. Poor clock management bricking a three early in the final set at the end of the third quarter. He scored the Lakers first field goal about 6 minutes in the fourth when he was fouled on a wing jumper, he made the FT. Back to the bench he goes...although Phil sent him there already when he started Farmar in the second half and moved Smush to SG.

Kwame -- -- Not lost in the mess was an improved game in the post from Kwame. He was back to knocking guys around and rattling in layups. He scored 13 points on 5-8 shooting (3-5 from the line), had 6 boards, 2 assists with 4 turnovers and all 3 of the team's blocked shots. Post scoring and blocked shots, very nice. Hopefully, he's starting to get a little more comfortable out there. He still is not playing above the rim yet offensively. Nice swat of Mo William's penetration early on. He dropstepped and missed an easy layup. He shed his man who was fronting and scored a layup. He missed a jumphook at the front of the rim. He set up Mo for FTs with an interior feed. He sealed and scored an And-1 at the front of the rim, he missed the FT. He backed down the defender and hit a jumphook. He drew a foul missing an And-1 layup, he made both FTs. He found Smush cutting for FTs. He overpowered his man, went up and under and scored off the glass. Good first half, scoring 10 points on 4-7 shooting and chipping in with 2 blocks. He slapped at an offensive board and tipped it in. He was fouled in transition and made one FT.

Shammond -- -- Shammond set new Laker career highs, with 8 points and 6 boards (not counting his 28-point career high against the Lakers 7 years ago). Unfortunately, he also had a Laker career high of 4 turnovers. He still played some steady minutes, but we could have used a true point tonight playmaking for others without Kobe, Luke or LO in there. On one of his rare playmakes, he attacked and set up Bynum with a nice pass, but Drew couldn't finish. He sank a wing three on his first attempt. He dribbled into Kwame in transition and lost the ball. Nice post entry over the D to Bynum for a score. He drained a three off a kickout from Kwame in the post. He was fouled and made both FTs.

McKie -- -- Quiet minutes from McKie. He scored 2 points on 1-2 shooting and had 2 assists in 20 minutes. He had to match up with Patterson for some stints and seemed to hold his own. Nice transition D to knock the ball off the Bucks at the end of the first quarter. He slapped a ball loose on the defensive end, then charged on the other end. He sank an open baseline jumper on a drive and kick from Smush.

Farmar -- -- He got the start in the second half in place of Sasha. Phil sat him halfway through the third and brought him back when the game was all but over. He scored 2 points on 1-4 shooting and had 1 assist in 12 minutes.He missed a couple of threes. He scored a layup with his left on the last possession.

Phil -- -- Phil went to a Bynum/Kwame lineup to start the second quarter. A bit choppy. Essentially it looked like a double low post Tri, with some reluctance to leave the post by either of the bigmen. Defensively, it could have worked decently if we had some players in front of them that could defend... The Bucks shot 58 percent in the first half to the Lakers 50 percent. The Bucks led the turnover category 11-9... He benched Sasha to start the second half, moving Smush to SG and bringing in Farmar at PG... The offense stalled in the third quarter (17 points) and the defense got picked apart. Ballgame... The fourth quarter was all garbage time. We didn't get our first field goal until about 6 minutes in to the fourth... The Lakers shot 47 percent to the Bucks 59.5 percent. Ouch... Redd had just 10 points, but Bell, Villanueva and Bogut were all over 20. Villanueva was swishing everything he took, finishing 10-12 and 6-8 from three... Can't fault Phil much in this one. We've lost all flexibility defensively and all of our dynamic offensive players...
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:02 pm    Post subject:

I am a founding member here of the Kwame Krewe here at lg.net.

But I would readily admit that Kwame's game is based on size and athleticism not on skill.

He has a gimpy ankle and is more or less hoping around on one leg,having lost much of his explosiveness.

Going up against decent bigs in Skinner and Bogut he got 13 & 6 with 3 blocks and two assist.

NOT BAD.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:51 pm    Post subject:

Thanks DB,

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Essentially it looked like a double low post Tri...


Have you ever played in the triangle system? You seem to know some of the terminology very well. I'm still learning.

Glad to see Kwame have a good outing. Let's get our next one on Friday.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:03 am    Post subject:

DB - it must have been PAINFUL to breakdown this game.

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** Smush is a second tier guard who is not a PG or SG while consistently getting beat

** Sasha missed an excellent opportunity to show the type of player he was in Europe, but didn't tonight

** Cook, in his best opportunity to showcase his abilities, didn't show the necessary fire - though he filled up the stat sheet

** Farmar - still learning on the job

** Bynum - still learning and growing up while show a glimpse of a bright future

** Starting lineup of Sasha, Smush, Cook, Bynum and Evans - OMG?!?!?!?!

DB - will the Lakers be able to stay above .500 w/o LO and Luke?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
** Smush is a second tier guard who is not a PG or SG while consistently getting beat


Agreed on that. And if he could simply stay in front of his man defensively he would be a decent starter. So much dribble penetration was allowed today.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:00 am    Post subject:

As expected? I hope Stu Jackson gets beatwn with a baseball bat!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:51 am    Post subject:

Almost unwatchable last night. Not even a good NBDL team.....
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:50 am    Post subject:



thanks DB.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 6:42 am    Post subject:

Holy crap, someone actually watched this game? I boycotted this game and didn't think anyone else would bother.

Unless a miracle occurs and this team somehow makes it to the WCF this year, and no less, this thing may have to be torn up and everyone but Kobe and Bynum will be expendable. What good is depth when the depth we have is no good?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:21 am    Post subject:

encina1 wrote:
Holy crap, someone actually watched this game? I boycotted this game and didn't think anyone else would bother.

Unless a miracle occurs and this team somehow makes it to the WCF this year, and no less, this thing may have to be torn up and everyone but Kobe and Bynum will be expendable. What good is depth when the depth we have is no good?


No team in the history of the NBA has the type of depth that would allow literally four starters (Kobe, Mihm, Odom, Walton) and two main rotation players (Vlad, Turiaf) to sit out a game and still have the team play well. Throw in the fact that Kwame is still trying to play himself into shape and we are looking at top 7 of our top 10 rotation players being out or affected by injuries/suspension.

Seriously ... name one team that could have ever absorbed such a loss of talent.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:22 am    Post subject:

I boycotted watching the game. Stu Jackson felt that was an unnatural act and, as punishment, made me watch it anyway.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject:

It seems like Bynum has forgotten what he learned from Chandler. He's standing still again. He needs to rewatch his tapes, and recognize that you have to apply that for every game, and not just for a couple of games or so.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:42 pm    Post subject:

Mation wrote:
Thanks DB,

Quote:
Essentially it looked like a double low post Tri...


Have you ever played in the triangle system? You seem to know some of the terminology very well. I'm still learning.

Glad to see Kwame have a good outing. Let's get our next one on Friday.


I was being more descriptive than technical with that. I haven't played in the Tri, just read Tex's book a couple of times, studied tapes of Tri instruction and watched our beloved Lakers and the Chicago Bulls play in it.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:


DB - will the Lakers be able to stay above .500 w/o LO and Luke?


It's possible. We need Ronny, though, because our bigman depth is miserable without him.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:45 pm    Post subject:

KOBEhastheMAGIC wrote:
As expected? I hope Stu Jackson gets beatwn with a baseball bat!


Once Stu set the precedence with the previous bogus suspension did you really expect him to change his mind about this one? That would be admitting he was wrong. Fat chance he'll do that.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject:

encina1 wrote:
Holy crap, someone actually watched this game? I boycotted this game and didn't think anyone else would bother.


Thoughts and Ratings... It's a dirty job sometimes...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:50 pm    Post subject:

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No team in the history of the NBA has the type of depth that would allow literally four starters (Kobe, Mihm, Odom, Walton) and two main rotation players (Vlad, Turiaf) to sit out a game and still have the team play well. Throw in the fact that Kwame is still trying to play himself into shape and we are looking at top 7 of our top 10 rotation players being out or affected by injuries/suspension.

Seriously ... name one team that could have ever absorbed such a loss of talent.


It's the truth. Injuries our the great X factor that can pull down any team. It's happened to the current champions. It happened to our Showtime Lakers and killed them in the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
DB - will the Lakers be able to stay above .500 w/o LO and Luke?
It's possible. We need Ronny, though, because our bigman depth is miserable without him.
Just had a wild thought - would now be the time to see how "The Triangle" can work with a "Don Nelson" and/or Phoenix Suns-type line-up - if it not already?

With a lineup with the following:
** Center - Cook
** PF - Kobe
** SF - Evans
** SG - Smush/Sasha
** PG - Sasha/Jordan

Let Cook act like LO often does, wonder around the top of the key while being a "Catch and Shoot" player. This would allow him to do what he does best, shoot and wander around the 3-point line

Kobe would have the room to post-up in the paint and pass to cutters while allowing him breathers since he is playing major min utes. At times, he can set-up on the wing, taking opposing PFs out of the paint

Evans is athletic enough to match up with the vast majority of the SFs of the league. Hopefully his energy and consistent PT will allow him to learn how to be more consistent

Smush/Sasha is again the weak spot since neither is consistent in scoring because they cannot create on their own. Sasha has the best potential of being consistent since he is closest to the Ron Harper/BShaw model

Jordan/Smush - Jordan would have versatile players throughout the court with room to drive the paint since Cook will be at the 3point line and Kobe's presence will keep single coverage on Jordan. Smush - well, nobody knows what he can bring to the dance, but we do know that he can definitely pout very well at the end of the bench.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:03 pm    Post subject:

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No team in the history of the NBA has the type of depth that would allow literally four starters (Kobe, Mihm, Odom, Walton) and two main rotation players (Vlad, Turiaf) to sit out a game and still have the team play well. Throw in the fact that Kwame is still trying to play himself into shape and we are looking at top 7 of our top 10 rotation players being out or affected by injuries/suspension.

Seriously ... name one team that could have ever absorbed such a loss of talent.


It's the truth. Injuries our the great X factor that can pull down any team. It's happened to the current champions. It happened to our Showtime Lakers and killed them in the playoffs.


Exactly. These guys have been out so long it seems we forget they were injured. We would've made the playoffs in 05-06 if we had no injuries.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:05 pm    Post subject:

A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Just had a wild thought - would now be the time to see how "The Triangle" can work with a "Don Nelson" and/or Phoenix Suns-type line-up - if it not already?


Problem is, you've got to play the other side of the ball, too. If we are giving up 60% shooting to another team, doesn't matter what kind of offense we run...we will get outgunned.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject:

DancingBarry wrote:
A Mad Chinaman wrote:
Just had a wild thought - would now be the time to see how "The Triangle" can work with a "Don Nelson" and/or Phoenix Suns-type line-up - if it not already?
Problem is, you've got to play the other side of the ball, too. If we are giving up 60% shooting to another team, doesn't matter what kind of offense we run...we will get outgunned.
Agreed

Could one consider the following with a faster tempo being played (especially considering that Phil has already upped the tempo):
Cook at 5 - the most problematic match-up issue. If Cook is hitting his shots, hopefully would be like a matchup such as Okur, Brad Miller, etc. where by the end of the game the opposing 5s would either be tired and/or fouled out.

Kobe at 4 - probably able to defend many at the "4" except players such as Rasheed, Duncan and KG. With his quickness, hopefully he would be able to denied easy entrances into the paint area and caused the other people to always "be against the clock" - Just as the Suns' Marion and his energy causes constant havoc, it could work especially since Kobe has the strength to play down in the post.

Evans at 3 - the most traditional match-up and with his athletic ability would be able to defend most SFs

Smush/Sasha at 2 - Hey, the same problems of denying penetration would exist. At the faster tempo, it might allow them to leak out when beaten and get easy baskets on the other end - especially since the team's best players would be bringing up the ball (Kobe and maybe Evans)

Smush/Jordan at 1 - Jordan would thrive at the faster tempo and has the ability to defend many (not all) opposing PGs. Maybe the faster tempo will allow Smush to play more relaxed?!?!

Of course, the above-listed lineup wouldn't play more than 20+ minutes because of the energy that it requires - but at least it is a change of pace and sometimes adversity is the mother of all investions?!?!?!
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