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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 9:47 am    Post subject: Scouting Report - Nick Young by Mike@LG

Player Evaluation Sheet

Nick Young
Upside: Josh Howard; better perimeter skills
Average: Healthy Derek Anderson
Downside: Josh Childress


Reminds of you of: A far skinnier Paul Pierce out of Kansas. Better athleticism, less strength.

Statistical year:
http://draftexpress.com/viewprofile.php?p=385&page=stats

Videos:

USC Guards Gabe Pruitt and Nick Young on Jim Rome Is Burning
http://youtube.com/watch?v=n2PnIbBo7Eg
Highlights at 2:00 mark

One handed Reverse. Body Control and Mitts
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OYb34SCsLt0

6' 5'' 6' 6.75'' 206.0 7' 0'' 8' 4.5'' 6.8 39.5 40.5 6 11 3.25



Age: 23; June ’85 (Happy Birthday Nick)
Size:
1. Height – 6’5” w/o shoes, 6.6.75" w/shoes Very good.
2. Wingspan – 7' Elite.
3. Weight – 206lbs.
4. Body Fat – 6.8%
5. Standing Reach – 8'4.5"

Athleticism:
1. Lateral movement – 9/10. Very good. No wonder why he's a strong man defender. Scored 11 seconds flat in the lane agility drill, very good for a SG.
2. Initial quickness – 7.5/10. Good. Attacks the basket well with good first step. Could be quicker.
3. Top speed – 9/10. Right up there with elite SGs of the NBA and even faster than some NBA PGs in the league.
4. Vertical leap – 10/10. Recorded 44” vertical leap off the run. Usually translates to a standstill 36” vert.
5. Reflexes – 8/10.
6. Strength – 7/10. NBA height and length, but could still stand to add a few pounds to be stronger in the paint and keep up with the elite SGs of the league.
7. Footwork – 9/10. Very good defensive footwork. Allowed him to defend Brandon Wright very well for 20 minutes until he ran out of energy. Great use of jab-steps, pivots, fakes, and other footwork offensively.
8. Balance – 9/10. Creative finisher in the paint. Good base and follow through on the pull-up jumpshot.

Skill Level:
1. Offense
• Perimeter Play
• Dribble penetration – Average. He can drive to the basket with a good first step. Right hand dominant. Doesn’t opt to drive to the basket, but is opportunistic about it, instead of forcing the issue.
• Post play – Limited. Can expose a size matchup with a turnaround fadeaway jumpshot.
• Off-the-ball – 5.5/10. Cuts to the basket well. Active. Maintains spacing. Could stand to be better, since he always seems “on” with the ball and “off” without it. Sometimes gets lost in the game and disappears.
• Short game (0’-7’) – 8/10. Solid finisher once he’s in the paint. Huge hands and soft touch allow him to hit tougher layups.
• Midrange game (8’-18’) – 9.5/10. Biggest offensive strength. This is where he looks Kobe-esque. Goes into triple threat position immediately. Looks for the weakness in the defense and utilizes his good first step, jab-step, pivot, fakes, and other moves to create space on his jumpshot. Likes to fadeaway on his jumpshots after a jab-step to create space. Hits at a high clip. Needs the ball to examine the defense before creating his move, instead of having a catch and shot. #1 option player for his team and always came through.
• Long range (19’-23'9" or longer) – 7/10. Solid. During workouts hit 56 of 71 behind NBA 3pt. range. This will be a weapon but won’t be a staple of his offensive game, but should translate to 35%-40% for his NBA career pending work ethic.


2. Defense
• Man to man defense
Position – 8/10. Very good defender. Has the size to keep up with the elite wings. Lateral quickness may lack a bit but makes up for it with footwork and activity. No gripes about defending multiple positions either, though quicker guards may blow by him at times, while SFs will just take advantage of their strength and height advantage. Still, you’ll want him in the 4th quarter in the closing minutes. Underrated.
Anticipation – 5/10. Solid. Doesn’t really force turnovers.
• Off-the-ball defense
Position – 7/10. Does a great job of ball-denial. Has some problems fighting through screens with the skinnier frame. Great footwork. Think of a smaller Boris Diaw in terms of defense in this case. Good size, great length, not the best strength, but has a surprising base and continually plays defense with high IQ and position, rather than steals and blocked shots.
Anticipation – 4/10. Clearly needs work here. All of those athletic gifts and rarely forces turnovers.
• Team defense
Position – 7/10. Reads and recovers well, though is more of a strict man-defender..
Anticipation – 6/10.

Rebounding
1. Offensive
• Box-out – N/A
• Hustle – 6/10.
• Energy level – 7/10
• Position – 5/10. Average offensive rebounder for a wing
2. Defensive
• Box-out – 8/10. Uses his base surprisingly well. Takes a lot of effort out of him but can get the rebound if he really wants it.
• Hustle – 5/10. Doesn’t really put a lot of effort into rebounding as his effort is needed elsewhere.
• Energy level – 6/10.
• Position – 7/10. Average rebounder for a wing player, who’s shown to be even better during his sophomore campaign. As a starter in the NBA, he should be getting around 6-7rpg.

Intangibles
• Leadership – 7/10. Quiet leader. Friends with Jordan Farmar if that means anything.
• Attitude – 8/10. Leads by example. Stepped up to all of the challenges of the regular season and still had more to give in the NCAA tournament.
• Work Ethic – 8/10. At 23 today, could stand to have better ball-anticipation skills in forcing turnovers. Great self improvement though. Mature mid-range game and mature man-defensive play; exhibits those skills better than most NBA wing players.
• Competitiveness – 10/10. Brings it on both ends and steps up more when the pressure is on.
• Unselfishness – 7/10. Ties in with mental. When he’s on, he’s a natural scorer, natural playmaker, all within the context of the offense. When he mentally slips, he settles for the midrange jumpshot and gives up on passing.
• Toughness – 8/10. Strength is going to be an issue, especially at the NBA level with wings utilizing screens every play down the floor. Underrated man-defense. Looks like a 10/10 when he’s taking on bigger players but can’t hold that for an extended period of time.
• Mental – 6/10. His game slips with his energy level and concentration. It can make him inconsistent between the 1st half and 2nd half.
• Conditioning – 7/10. Ties in with mental. When he’s winded, loses concentration and focus, and doesn’t look as integral part of the offense or defense. Bears a lot of responsibility as the #1 guy on his team for both ends of the floor and it took a toll.
• Physical – 8.5/10. Nearly complete elite level of athleticism, sans elite lateral quickness and strength. Basically batting the average of NBA wing size with Jason Richardson, Kobe Bryant, Desmond Mason, Shawn Marion, Dwyane Wade, Caron Butler, Ray Allen, Gerald Green, and countless others right around the same height and length with a highly competitive level of athleticism. All of the guys listed are roughly 6’5”-6’7” with 6’10-7’ wingspans. Strength will be easy for him to put on. However, it’s not like he’s on McGrady’s level (practically 6’10”), Rashard Lewis, Kevin Durant, or LeBron between SF/SG in terms of size/height/athleticism combination.

Conclusion:

The Goods: Near elite NBA size/athleticism combination. Man defense. Midrange perimeter footwork/shot creating skills.

The Bad: Left-hand dribble penetration. Average 1st step compared to the elite wings. Conditioning may be an issue. Mental toughness/concentration can slip within the same game.

Expectations: At the NBA level, he won’t be more than a 2nd option on offense and could be a killer 4th option as well assuming the role is correct for his surrounding team. Underrated man defense and heavily prevalent mid-range game with proven ability to hit from NBA 3pt. range along with his 2-way ability, size, and athleticism on both ends of the floor may boost him right into the late lottery. He fits well in a structured game, and that’s how USC played. Opportunistic in transition but chose his spots well within the USC offense. He may get thrown off a bit when he receives the ball from 20’ from the basket instead of 15’-18’ that he used to get at the NCAA level. Comfortable in a situation where a combo guard instead of a natural point guard plays and runs the offense. Even shared some limited ball-handling duties setting up the offense. Inability to force turnovers is a bit worrisome but makes up for that with footwork, position, and length in terms of man-defense. With devoted effort could defend at a Raja Bell level of defense. I forgot to mention, huge mitts for hands. Allows him to put a softer touch on the ball around the basket, protect the ball when he’s creating a shot utilizing pivots and attacking the basket, and steal rebounds away from bigger players.

From Draftexpress:


If his defender guards him too close, he has the athleticism (particularly the first step) and ball-handling skills to shake his man and blow right by him. His size (a hair under 6-6, w/out shoes, from what we were told separately by both his agent Aaron Mintz and strength and conditioning trainer Shawn Dassie), fantastic wingspan (6’11 ˝”) and absolutely massive hands help him greatly in this area, as does his explosive vertical leap, measured at an impressive 44 inches with a running start. He’s still a pretty skinny guy, but he’s added 9 pounds to his frame according to Dassie since he began working out, bringing him to 209 pounds on the day we were there.

He definitely could use another 5-6 pounds to help him fight through screens and finish stronger around the basket, two areas that he was just OK in from what we saw. He didn’t seem to be taking things all that seriously for the most part, though, laughing and joking around plenty once Granger decided to sit down. This was a pretty impressive workout regardless, though, even if there are only so many conclusions you can draw from here regarding his ability to fit in on an NBA team in a 5 on 5 setting. There is no doubt that teams are going to be impressed from what they see in the next few weeks, though.

In a bit of a change from years past, the NBA has decided to only invite 11 players to the “physical-only” part of the pre-draft camp (instead of 18 or 20 like in years past), meaning that players like Nick Young ended up getting squeezed out. His measurements and combine scores could have surely helped him.



Young started off the game looking like a man on a mission. His outstanding mid-range game was on full display, utilizing his devastating combination of jab-steps and hesitation moves from the triple threat position and looking like a true NBA shooting guard knocking down pull-up jumpers and fade-aways smoothly off the dribble. He elevates wonderfully from the mid-range and does a phenomenal job with his footwork and maintaining his body control to get off a clean look with an excellent release point.

His best play of the game came fairly early, throwing a quick jab at his defender and then just exploding towards the rim with an incredible first step before throwing down an emphatic one-handed jam in traffic. He caught North Carolina’s defense completely off-guard, and undoubtedly had scouts scribbling furiously after pulling off such a strong move. He also hit an open spot-up 3-pointer during this terrific initial burst he started the game off with.

Young was extremely active on the defensive side of the ball as well, doing an excellent job keeping Brandon Wright from establishing position on him and going around him to pull down rebounds over the 6-9 power forward, despite being a 6-5 shooting guard (playing out of position) himself. He had 5 rebounds in the first 6 and a half minutes, but was not able to maintain the same level of energy and only pulled down one board the rest of the way.



With his legs clearly not responding the way he needed them to in the second half, Young began resorting back to his old ways. He was too often the last stop in the flow of his team’s offense, receiving the ball, but never making any real effort to create for anyone else. The 0 assists he dished out compared to 6 turnovers is quite telling in this regard, but not all that surprising when you consider that he only averages 1.4 assists per game. North Carolina kept throwing fresh bodies at him in a constant wave, and Young responded by settling for too many contested outside shots, finishing the game 1-5 from behind the arc.

All in all, Young has probably showed enough in this tournament to secure himself a spot in the first round, and could very well be considered a strong pick in the 10-20 range of the draft when it’s all said and done if he works out with NBA teams as well as we think he can. He’s got great scoring tools as his extremely productive college career would indicate, well as a nice upside to continue to improve.




Defenders now have a serious quandary in deciding whether to leave him open or let him attack the basket. Young doesn't have an exceptional first step and is still on the skinny side, but has first-rate vertical explosiveness, good slashing feel and the ability to finish through contact. For the most part, Young attacks the basket aggressively at the slightest opportunity, and barely needs any advantage at all to get to the rim in transition. There are times when he can get passive and float around the perimeter, but he’s developed a fairly strong understanding of when dribble drive opportunities are available to him.

While Young's impressive junior season probably has him in line for First Team All Pac-10 honors and on the short list of legitimate conference POY candidates, there are still things he can work on. Young's offensive consistency has improved, but one gets the feeling that he can still become a better day-in, day-out go to scorer (see the disappointing loss @Arizona State in which he scored just 11 points). At times he will forget about attacking the basket and settle for lower percentage outside shots. While not a poor defender, Young's focus and intensity on the other side of the ball can certainly improve.




Against Washington, Young’s all-around ability was on display for much of the game. He did most of his damage slashing to the hoop against the solid defense of Quincy Pondexter. Young made 8 of his 10 free throw attempts in the game, and used his ability to hang in the air and control the ball to create the free throw attempts. Despite starting off slow, his jumper looked very solid, as did his defense. During both overtime periods, Young was responsible for making some huge shots from both the field and the three point line. Without these clutch shots, there is no way USC would have pulled this game out.

Young has solid all-around ability, but we’re still wondering what exactly his bread and butter is. He doesn’t stick out as the type of player with all-star potential at the next level, and he still hasn’t quite carved out a niche for himself as a go-to guy at the college level. Still, Young is the type of player that GMs will have a hard time passing up when searching for a complete role player. To best help his draft stock, Young will need to help USC be competitive in the Pac 10 for the rest of the season, and preferably make and win a game or two in the NCAA Tournament. If he can do this and get his free throw shooting back to where it was last season, he will have a shot at landing in the first round if he decides to come out.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:09 am    Post subject:

Nice report Mike, thanks for doing it. What type of role do you see Nick Young having if he somehow fell to the lakers? Do you look for him to be given the ball and asked to create or have others create for him while he moves w/out the ball? I guess what i am trying to ask is how well would he fit in the triangle.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 11:19 am    Post subject:

ballerxj wrote:
Nice report Mike, thanks for doing it. What type of role do you see Nick Young having if he somehow fell to the lakers? Do you look for him to be given the ball and asked to create or have others create for him while he moves w/out the ball? I guess what i am trying to ask is how well would he fit in the triangle.


Complimentary wing to Bryant. Goodrich to Jerry West.

He does need to be given the ball, but not every possession. He can create for himself but only at a 2nd or 3rd option level.

He's a triangle fit.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:28 pm    Post subject:

Nice job, Mike.

Considering Granger dropped to 17th in 2005, what shake up would you imagine happening for Nick to possibly fall? I think the Clippers have to draft--as well as ATL's second lotto pick--for need for Nick to fall, but probably a few other things as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:24 pm    Post subject:

He's my ideal pick at #19. Would love to have him and Kobe on the wings.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject:

Lakers 71-72 wrote:
Nice job, Mike.

Considering Granger dropped to 17th in 2005, what shake up would you imagine happening for Nick to possibly fall? I think the Clippers have to draft--as well as ATL's second lotto pick--for need for Nick to fall, but probably a few other things as well.


Young won't drop like Granger. Granger was from a smaller school and didn't have as elite athleticism as Young.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject:

Im going on record by saying two things, first Nick will never don a Laker Jersey and Second goes hand and hand with the aforementioned, Nick will not last to 19. book it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:26 pm    Post subject:

Chad Ford picks him as the Lakers pick but says he could go as high as 8th.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2007/insider/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=MockDraft-070604
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 8:48 pm    Post subject:

The Lakers need something similar to NY taking Balkman last year to shake things up.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 9:51 pm    Post subject:

I love Nick Young... he's the hidden gem of this draft basically because he plays at USC, not UCLA... If he's there at 19, the Lakers MUST take him.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:06 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers need something similar to NY taking Balkman last year to shake things up.


You mean draft player in the first round you could have of got in the second round?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:16 am    Post subject:

I really think Lakers should get Nick Young. ESPN mock draft 3 has the Lakers getting him, but we all know how accurate those can turn out.

He is going to be the suprise of this draft.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject:

Mike, who do you like the best between N. Young and Pruitt for the Lakers? Who would be the best defender against NBA guards?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:51 pm    Post subject:

DzLaker wrote:
Mike, who do you like the best between N. Young and Pruitt for the Lakers? Who would be the best defender against NBA guards?


If this is about fit within the team, Pruitt. Pruitt can defend PGs. Pruitt has the footspeed along with the wingspan. Young mostly relies on length and vert.

Would it surprise me to see either as high quality defenders at the NBA level? No.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:53 pm    Post subject:

BallerAli wrote:

He is going to be the suprise of this draft.


Count me in the Nick Young bandwagon. He's going to be special. We'll have to move up in the draft to get him though. That's the reason why we don't give up on our pick this year, not in a draft this deep.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:50 am    Post subject:

Hope Nick Young can slide to 19th pick
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:29 am    Post subject:

nick young is flying up my draft book at the moment...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:05 pm    Post subject:

Dude, these scouting reports are awesome. Thanks for taking the time.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject:

Awesome write up Mike.

I am hugely bullish on Nick Young, I think he is going to be a good to very good NBA player in a relatively short period of time.

Maybe a more skilled Jason Richardson type?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:38 pm    Post subject:

I think Nick has potential to be like a poor man's Kobe.... a perennial all-star in the same vein as Vince Carter or a worse-shooting/taller and more athletic Ray Allen. A better shooting, not as strong Cory Maggette. A more skilled Jason Richardson.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject:

LakerLanny wrote:
Awesome write up Mike.

I am hugely bullish on Nick Young, I think he is going to be a good to very good NBA player in a relatively short period of time.

Maybe a more skilled Jason Richardson type?


He's got a game that few can get a fix on really. There hasn't been a SG like him that has come out in a long while. He's not really as quick as people think when he drives, or not really as explosive.

I do think he came out a bit of a workout warrior type, but in his case, they were surprising numbers in his favor and he was a stud on both ends of the floor for USC as well.

I still like the Josh Howard comparison though. Both guys are crafty in the paint in similar ways, like shooting from midrange, though Young has more moves, quicker, a bit longer, and a far better athlete. Paul Pierce skills on both ends of the floor in Josh Howard frame/athleticism. Makes a lot of sense to me. Both he and Pierce have similar shot selection and optimize their midrange game in very similar ways.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:14 pm    Post subject:

Couldn't agree more about Nick Young being a good pro even a star I would think. I'm a SC fan so I've watched most of their games and Nick is a crafty player with that fall away mid range jump shot that's money! I would be very happy if the Laker could somehow draft him.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:30 pm    Post subject:

Paul Pierce is the best comparison if you ask me...
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:32 pm    Post subject:

ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote:
Paul Pierce is the best comparison if you ask me...


He's more athletic than Paul...seems to have a better first step, more of a penetrator and leaper. Paul is more of a hybrid 2/3....Nick is definitely a 2.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject:

Mike@LG wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
Awesome write up Mike.

I am hugely bullish on Nick Young, I think he is going to be a good to very good NBA player in a relatively short period of time.

Maybe a more skilled Jason Richardson type?


He's got a game that few can get a fix on really. There hasn't been a SG like him that has come out in a long while. He's not really as quick as people think when he drives, or not really as explosive.

I do think he came out a bit of a workout warrior type, but in his case, they were surprising numbers in his favor and he was a stud on both ends of the floor for USC as well.

I still like the Josh Howard comparison though. Both guys are crafty in the paint in similar ways, like shooting from midrange, though Young has more moves, quicker, a bit longer, and a far better athlete. Paul Pierce skills on both ends of the floor in Josh Howard frame/athleticism. Makes a lot of sense to me. Both he and Pierce have similar shot selection and optimize their midrange game in very similar ways.


When all is said and done, I think Young could be better than Pierce....of course he could flop, but I really believe he ha superstar potential. He doesn't really fit a mold. I definitely think he is an SG though.
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