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Jordan-esque Star Player


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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| ForumBlueFrank wrote: | | Quote: | Fisher expected to sign with Lakers next week
Wednesday, July 11, 2007
Fisher expected to sign with Lakers next week
By KEVIN DING
The Orange County Register
The Lakers and Derek Fisher moved closer Wednesday to finalizing a basic agreement that will bring Fisher back to his original team, though no deal can be officially signed until later next week.
Fisher is expected to sign a three-year deal, starting at about $4.5 million. He has been determined to relocate to Los Angeles to get specific treatment for his 1-year-old daughter Tatum's rare form of eye cancer. The Lakers need a veteran ball-handling guard and value Fisher's leadership and triangle-offense knowledge.
The earliest he could officially sign would be next week, because the Lakers have to wait for Fisher to clear seven-day waivers before giving him a new contract.
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/sports/pros/abox/article_1762116.php
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Hector the Pup Retired Number

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Well, that's the end of that.  |
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Jordan-esque Star Player


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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Heard that deal was actually around the $4.3 million, so the Lakers still have a $1 million to spare. Who could they lure? |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Coby Karl with a 3 year deal.
That's pretty much it.
$1 million is less than the vet minimum for anyone with more than 6 years under their belt. |
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drew4lakers Star Player


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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Jordan-esque wrote: | | Heard that deal was actually around the $4.3 million, so the Lakers still have a $1 million to spare. Who could they lure? |
I can't recall where i saw it, but one line of thinking is that the Lakers would leave the 15th roster spot open and also have some money in reserve so that later on in the year they might be able to pick up a vet waived (by another team for contract dumping reasons) later on in the season. _________________ When you hate on the Lakers, I hate back. |
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Balki Bartokomous Star Player


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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Jordan-esque wrote: | | Heard that deal was actually around the $4.3 million, so the Lakers still have a $1 million to spare. Who could they lure? |
As long as were bringing back broken down fan favs, why not EDDIE???
Thus far...
Magic ('96 comeback)
Byron (Kobe's mentor)
AC Green (starting PF for '00 title team)
Vlade (don't ask)
Fisher (overpaid by at least double?)
Eddie (be nice to have him come full circle as well) _________________ "Now we're so happy we do the dance of joy." |
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drew4lakers Star Player


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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | Coby Karl with a 3 year deal.
That's pretty much it.
$1 million is less than the vet minimum for anyone with more than 6 years under their belt. |
That makes more sense than what I just posted.
I'm no cap expert & am not familiar with specific contract conditions (like vet minimum amounts) _________________ When you hate on the Lakers, I hate back. |
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Balki Bartokomous Star Player


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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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If not traded, Farmar starts at point. Fish is a 20 min per night guy from now on. _________________ "Now we're so happy we do the dance of joy." |
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LakersMD Star Player

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| drew4lakers wrote: | | Jordan-esque wrote: | | Heard that deal was actually around the $4.3 million, so the Lakers still have a $1 million to spare. Who could they lure? |
I can't recall where i saw it, but one line of thinking is that the Lakers would leave the 15th roster spot open and also have some money in reserve so that later on in the year they might be able to pick up a vet waived (by another team for contract dumping reasons) later on in the season. |
You mean like Jalen Rose and Chris Webber?
Chances are those vets who are waived will sign with a team closer to a title. |
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rock0100 Star Player


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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | Coby Karl with a 3 year deal.
That's pretty much it.
$1 million is less than the vet minimum for anyone with more than 6 years under their belt. |
Why would we give Karl $1 million? I think he would be satisfied getting the minimum. We don't even pay Turiaf $1 million. |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| drew4lakers wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | Coby Karl with a 3 year deal.
That's pretty much it.
$1 million is less than the vet minimum for anyone with more than 6 years under their belt. |
That makes more sense than what I just posted.
I'm no cap expert & am not familiar with specific contract conditions (like vet minimum amounts) | vet minimum salaries by years in the NBA
So basically that $1 million is useless for a vet and I'm almost positive that the remaining portion of the MLE, if unused, reduces on a pro rata basis as the season wears on, so it's not like the Lakers can even offer $1 million to a player who is waived at the playoff deadline. |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| rock0100 wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | Coby Karl with a 3 year deal.
That's pretty much it.
$1 million is less than the vet minimum for anyone with more than 6 years under their belt. |
Why would we give Karl $1 million? I think he would be satisfied getting the minimum. We don't even pay Turiaf $1 million. |
They wouldn't, but they can do the same thing they did with Turiaf by using part of the MLE in order to offer a 3 year deal instead of a vet minimum contract which can't be for any longer than 2 years.
I just used him as an example, BTW. You can switch his name out with anyone else on the SPL team or either of the 2nd rounders if you want. |
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Bol Star Player

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| It's hard to feel bad about this when I look at what Orlando is giving Rashard Lewis. In fact, it's hard to feel bad about anything when I look at what Orlando is paying Lewis, because all I can do is just laugh and laugh. |
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rock0100 Star Player


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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | | rock0100 wrote: | | Hector the Pup wrote: | Coby Karl with a 3 year deal.
That's pretty much it.
$1 million is less than the vet minimum for anyone with more than 6 years under their belt. |
Why would we give Karl $1 million? I think he would be satisfied getting the minimum. We don't even pay Turiaf $1 million. |
They wouldn't, but they can do the same thing they did with Turiaf by using part of the MLE in order to offer a 3 year deal instead of a vet minimum contract which can't be for any longer than 2 years.
I just used him as an example, BTW. You can switch his name out with anyone else on the SPL team or either of the 2nd rounders if you want. |
I get it. No, I wouldn't switch his name out though. Other then Farmar and Javaris, Karl has shown the most potential. I saw him play a few times against my UTEP Miners. He killed us from 3 pt range, but there was 1 or 2 games where he was off and really couldn't do much else. |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe they can use Karl in a hostage type situation.
Either the Nuggets take Kwame and Sasha for Camby, or they make sure that Coby rooms with Kwame during training camp! |
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Michlake Star Player

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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Hector the Pup wrote: | Maybe they can use Karl in a hostage type situation.
Either the Nuggets take Kwame and Sasha for Camby, or they make sure that Coby rooms with Kwame during training camp! |
what would Coby have to worry about; Kwame likes girls who like girls. |
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LuxuryBrown Franchise Player


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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:10 am Post subject: |
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| Magics80sLakersGOAT wrote: | | LuxuryBrown wrote: | [
Show me where I said I hate Farmar? Didn't think so. Again, the Farmar Frat can't handle the fact the Lakers went out and got help at the PG spot after drafting him. All I can say is, deal with it.
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It's obvious you don't like him, obvious to anybody who's been here a day, heck, I've only even noticed your posts about Farmar today and I know that. :roll: |
So, by your reasoning, I can say that you don't like Javaris Crittenton then, correct? You already have him in the D League before training camp has even started. Is that a sound assessment on you? _________________
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| Balki Bartokomous wrote: | | If not traded, Farmar starts at point. Fish is a 20 min per night guy from now on. |
Why would Farmar start over Fisher? Fisher's the better PG. He knows the triangle much better than Farmar. So why would Farmar start? _________________
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fansincemagic Star Player

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:15 am Post subject: |
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I know its another PG, but if Pargo is willing to sign for 4 years with around 1 Mill. a year you have to do it....
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nba&id=2926118
That gives you a Fisher/Pargo/Crittenton lineup and allows you to move Farmar in any trade. I'll hold tight to the notion that I respect Farmar's talent but he's a true QB and another team may get more value out of him. Crittenton has the skills and will eventually start if he gradually picks up more and more of the offense. There may be a big man available, but nobody jumps out at me. |
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fansincemagic Star Player

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:21 am Post subject: |
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I can see Phil starting Fisher over Farmar as well. I think another aspect of Farmar being expendable could be the combination of ball handlers around Kobe. You already have Fisher, Odom and Luke and you really could afford to have more of a defensive player or three point shooter at the spots around Kobe.
Another thing I wanted to throw my 2 cents in about would be Kobe's stance. If any of us actually knew what was going on in his head it would be a major breakthrough, but thats not the case. If I'm Kobe, its okay to say you like Fisher as a person, or his game, but don't give Mitch any credit for it being a great move....even if in his mind he likes the move. You wait for the big move, that's why I have no problem with the "ask Mitch" comments. |
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LuxuryBrown Franchise Player


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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:36 am Post subject: |
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^^ I mainly think Farmar is expendable simply because his skillset isn't suitable for the triangle.
- Fisher was never a pure point but could stroke the 3
- Critt is 6'4, can score, athletic, and can play the 1 and the 2 in the triangle
Where does Farmar honestly fit in at in the triangle?:
- He has a suspect jumper
- He's not a great scorer
- He's not the prototypical "Big Tri-PG" (6'2)
- He's not blessed with great athleticism
I seriously see the Lakers rolling with Fisher & Critt, and Farmar is the odd man out. _________________
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:41 am Post subject: |
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I like that Farmar is a pure PG. He does things as a floor leader I haven't seen a player do as a Laker for a long time....nothing spectacular, just being a selfless, pure PG. I like it. I think triangle or not, we can use that kind of guy.
He has very good athleticism (42 vert anyone?), his jumper is ever improving (world's better than it was at UCLA), he is clearly getting better as a defender, he is getting stronger, and he is looking to score even more. He is only 20 years old and coming off his rooke year.... on a team his rookie year that wasn't exactly a great learning environment nor example for stability.
No doubt Crit is a more "typical" tri-guard...but I don't think if the exception is Farmar, there is any problem with him not being "typical." Obviously, I think very highly of the kid....as I do Crit as well (as little as we have seen from him so far). The book on Farmar is not written yet, I believe we have barely scratched the surface. _________________ 16 Wins for 16th Title
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| hmm...we're on the same page, what is that 2..3 now? You'd think a team like Sacto would love to have a pure PG like Farmar as a future floor general, and had NJ not had Williams he would have been an ideal young PG for Jersey. I think you get bashed on this board for bringing up the words "trade" and "Farmar" together, but does anyone really see his place? Fisher is the link to Critt, this team can bring in an athletic SG and make them a contributing PG in a year. Also, Farmar and Walton are two guys that have similar qualities and are if they play solid minutes (25-30mpg) it doesn't allow you to matchup the way a shooter or defender would. |
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| LakerSanity wrote: | I like that Farmar is a pure PG. He does things as a floor leader I haven't seen a player do as a Laker for a long time....nothing spectacular, just being a selfless, pure PG. I like it. I think triangle or not, we can use that kind of guy.
He has very good athleticism (42 vert anyone?), his jumper is ever improving (world's better than it was at UCLA), he is clearly getting better as a defender, he is getting stronger, and he is looking to score even more. He is only 20 years old and coming off his rooke year.... on a team his rookie year that wasn't exactly a great learning environment nor example for stability.
No doubt Crit is a more "typical" tri-guard...but I don't think if the exception is Farmar, there is any problem with him not being "typical." Obviously, I think very highly of the kid....as I do Crit as well (as little as we have seen from him so far). The book on Farmar is not written yet, I believe we have barely scratched the surface. |
And there haven't been any pure PGs to win a title under Phil's system. The closest would be BJ Armstrong and I really don't even count him.
The 42 inch vert...that he really doesn't use. When I saw Steve Freakin' Nash block his layup, I knew something was up. Then in the same game Marcus Banks blocks another of his layups. I've seen him use it on a couple of ill boards he nabbed...but to have a 42 verty and to not really use it...it's a waste.
The book may not be written...but I don't expect to see a lot of chapters...his limited upside won't allow for it. _________________
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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| fansincemagic wrote: | | hmm...we're on the same page, what is that 2..3 now? You'd think a team like Sacto would love to have a pure PG like Farmar as a future floor general, and had NJ not had Williams he would have been an ideal young PG for Jersey. I think you get bashed on this board for bringing up the words "trade" and "Farmar" together, but does anyone really see his place? Fisher is the link to Critt, this team can bring in an athletic SG and make them a contributing PG in a year. Also, Farmar and Walton are two guys that have similar qualities and are if they play solid minutes (25-30mpg) it doesn't allow you to matchup the way a shooter or defender would. |
Bingo post, bro.  _________________
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