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Dennis_D
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 Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:43 am Post subject: Laker Stats Broken Down by Quarter (LONG) |
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I think there were four distinct quarters to last season based upon player injuries and I thought I would break the Laker stats out for each quarter to see what I could learn. The quarters were:
10/31 - 12/10 Start of season 14-6
12/12 - 1/20 Odom injured 13-9
1/22 - 3/9 Walton injured, but Odom returns (6-16)
3/11 - 4/18 Odom and Walton are back (9-9)
I am going to use some stats that you might not been familiar with. See the definitions at the end of the post. Here are the team stats:
| Code: | Quarter 1 2 3 4 (Best - Average - Worst for NBA for season)
eFG% 52.7% 51.7% 48.8% 51.5% (55.1% - 49.6% - 47.1%)
OReb% 28.5% 24.7% 26.0% 25.6% (31.7% - 27.1% - 22.2%)
FT/FG 26.6 25.5 25.0 22.4 (28.9 - 24.6 - 20.9)
OEff 106.0 107.5 103.0 108.1 (111.4 - 103.7 - 100.0)
%Assist 62.7% 59.1% 55.9% 61.0% (67.4% - 58.3% - 51.7%)
TO Rate 18.1 14.8 15.3 13.5 (13.5 - 15.9 - 18.3)
Opp eFG% 50.0% 50.6% 49.3% 49.9% (46.6% - 49.6% - 52.9%)
DReb% 72.4% 71.8% 72.4% 72.8% (77.0% - 72.9% - 68.1%)
Opp FT/FG 22.8 26.8 27.8 27.3 (20.1 - 24.6 - 31.4)
DEff 103.0 108.2 106.8 108.4 (97.0 - 103.7 - 109.7)
Opp TO 16.9 14.4 13.9 13.5 (18.2 - 15.9 - 14.5) |
Things that stand out to me:
* The Lakers were terrible at forcing turnovers virtually all season
* The opponents eFG% was fairly constant at near average
* The turnovers at the beginning of the season were awful but ended quite well
* FT/FG dropped significantly the last quarter of the season
* The rebounding significantly dropped in the 2nd quarter due to Odom's injury
* The Lakers were very inefficient offensively in the 3rd quarter
Player stats per quarter order by minutes per game
Quarter 1 | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
Odom 20 20 18.4 39.7 53.2 22.0 1.4 9.1 32.6 5.1 3.9
Bryant 17 17 26.4 37.6 53.6 23.4 0.8 4.6 39.1 4.4 3.4
Walton 20 20 12.7 32.3 58.2 15.4 1.3 4.5 22.4 3.7 2.1
Parker 20 20 9.4 29.4 48.2 8.2 0.6 2.4 16.9 2.7 1.9
Brown 13 6 8.9 26.2 57.5 13.2 2.4 6.6 30.0 2.2 1.8
Bynum 20 14 7.4 18.8 55.4 11.0 1.2 5.5 48.9 1.1 1.6
Farmar 18 0 6.4 18.2 56.8 7.5 0.3 1.8 7.4 2.5 1.1
Evans 20 2 6.8 18.1 50.4 5.9 1.3 2.3 16.4 0.8 0.8
Radmanovic 19 0 4.9 13.8 44.9 5.8 1.2 2.9 17.0 1.3 1.1
Turiaf 16 0 4.6 10.1 66.7 6.7 0.8 2.4 42.9 0.5 0.6
Vujacic 15 1 2.5 9.9 38.0 1.6 0.3 1.1 6.5 0.7 0.7
Cook 12 0 4.8 9.6 44.9 5.0 1.3 2.4 8.5 0.7 0.7
Williams 5 0 0.6 7.0 25.0 1.2 0.2 0.8 0.0 0.8 0.0 |
* Of the top 7 players, only Smush wasn't shooting at least 53%
* Brown was the best offensive rebounder but weak defensively
* Radmonovic, Vujacic, Cook and Williams played very poorly
* Parker had a poor efficiency because he added little beyond scoring
Quarter 2 | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
Bryant 22 22 29.7 39.8 49.5 27.2 0.8 5.9 41.8 6.3 3.4
Walton 22 22 11.1 34.7 45.7 14.4 1.7 5.3 24.8 4.7 2.0
Parker 22 22 13.0 31.0 55.4 11.9 0.5 2.7 17.0 2.2 1.5
Brown 11 11 8.5 29.0 54.7 12.3 2.6 6.6 14.7 1.8 2.0
Evans 22 0 9.0 24.1 48.8 8.2 0.9 3.1 23.9 1.0 1.0
Bynum 22 11 8.7 22.1 58.6 14.0 1.7 6.7 32.0 1.4 1.6
Cook 22 17 9.4 20.7 57.4 11.6 1.1 4.5 7.1 1.5 0.9
Radmanovic 22 4 7.2 19.5 48.2 6.3 0.7 3.0 17.1 0.8 1.3
Farmar 22 0 6.0 16.3 55.9 6.9 0.3 1.7 17.6 2.2 1.0
Turiaf 18 0 4.0 14.8 41.9 6.4 1.1 3.5 32.3 1.1 0.7
Vujacic 21 0 6.0 14.0 60.8 6.9 0.5 1.7 21.6 1.0 0.4
Williams 2 0 1.5 6.0 37.5 1.5 1.0 1.5 0.0 1.0 1.0
McKie 1 0 0.0 5.0 0.0 -1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0
Odom 1 1 0.0 3.0 0.0 -1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 |
* No one stepped up their all-around game to replace Odom's
* Odom's minutes went to Brown, Cook and Radmonovic, all of whom are weaker rebounders
* Odom was leading the team in TO's and the team's TO's dropped by almost the amount he was committing
* Bryant's eFG% went down and Walton's went way down
* Parker and Cook's eFG% went way up
* Farmar had as many assists as Parker in almost half the minutes
Quarter 3 | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
Bryant 20 20 30.9 42.0 47.9 27.4 1.2 6.5 38.5 5.8 3.8
Odom 17 17 15.2 40.9 45.7 19.7 2.5 10.4 24.2 4.4 2.8
Parker 22 22 12.0 30.8 49.8 9.6 0.5 2.3 11.8 2.5 2.1
Bynum 22 22 8.5 29.2 51.4 13.4 2.2 7.0 30.7 1.5 1.5
Evans 21 8 10.0 28.1 41.6 9.2 1.5 3.5 26.7 1.2 0.6
Brown 6 0 7.0 26.2 58.6 10.8 1.3 5.7 27.6 1.8 1.7
Radmanovic 11 11 9.6 25.8 54.0 11.4 1.2 5.1 13.8 2.0 1.6
Cook 19 7 7.8 18.7 49.6 8.0 0.9 3.5 11.1 1.0 1.0
Walton 1 1 3.0 18.0 75.0 6.0 0.0 3.0 0.0 2.0 1.0
Turiaf 20 0 6.1 16.5 59.7 8.6 1.5 3.8 48.6 0.9 0.7
McKie 9 0 2.4 14.0 64.7 4.9 0.1 2.0 0.0 1.4 0.8
Williams 13 0 4.2 13.3 66.7 5.2 0.2 1.4 7.7 1.0 0.8
Farmar 18 0 2.4 12.8 37.1 2.0 0.3 1.3 0.0 1.1 1.2
Vujacic 21 2 3.9 12.8 45.9 3.6 0.2 1.1 19.2 0.6 0.3 |
* This quarter the Lakers were decimated by injuries
* On 3/7 game, the Lakers started Parker, Vujacic, Evans, Cook and Bynum
* With injuries to Brown, Odom and Radmonovic, Bynum's minutes increased 50%
* The extra minutes pulled down Bynum's game
* Farmar hit the rookie wall
* Evans played more minutes but his eFG% is awful
* Radmonovic played his best ball of the year and then is injured
* Of the top 5 players, only Parker had a eFG% of better than 50%
Quarter 4 | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
Bryant 18 18 39.4 43.8 50.8 32.4 1.1 5.6 33.5 4.7 2.7
Odom 18 18 14.7 39.5 53.9 22.7 1.8 10.4 30.2 5.2 2.2
Walton 17 17 10.8 32.6 51.9 14.5 1.5 5.4 9.3 4.6 1.9
Brown 11 11 8.5 28.5 67.2 11.9 1.2 4.6 27.6 1.5 1.9
Parker 18 16 9.4 28.3 47.5 9.7 0.7 2.8 12.0 4.0 2.0
Evans 13 0 7.2 18.9 56.3 7.4 1.3 2.6 18.1 0.8 0.6
Turiaf 18 1 6.4 18.3 54.3 10.5 1.4 4.6 17.4 1.1 0.9
Bynum 18 6 6.2 16.1 59.0 8.4 1.6 4.0 16.9 0.5 0.9
Vujacic 16 1 4.3 14.1 50.0 5.3 0.6 2.0 11.5 1.2 0.3
Farmar 14 2 2.1 12.5 35.9 3.6 0.4 1.8 5.1 1.6 0.6
Williams 10 0 3.3 12.4 43.2 3.5 0.5 1.5 2.7 1.2 0.1
Cook 12 0 3.0 7.6 38.6 2.3 0.4 1.6 4.5 0.4 0.3
Radmanovic 3 0 0.7 4.7 0.0 1.7 0.3 1.0 200.0 0.7 0.3 |
* Walton came back and the eFG% of everyone but Parker went up
* The 3rd quarter wore Bynum out and his play dropped
* Farmar continued to hit the rookie wall
* Evans minutes went down and his eFG% went way up
* Turiaf had gradually been getting better all season and out played Bynum
* Walton, Parker, Turiaf and Bynum's FT/FG numbers were way down
* Cook slid to the end of the bench
Kwame Brown | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 13 6 8.9 26.2 57.5 13.2 2.4 6.6 30.0 2.2 1.8
2 - 11 11 8.5 29.0 54.7 12.3 2.6 6.6 14.7 1.8 2.0
3 - 6 0 7.0 26.2 58.6 10.8 1.3 5.7 27.6 1.8 1.7
4 - 11 11 8.5 28.5 67.2 11.9 1.2 4.6 27.6 1.5 1.9 |
Kwame was injured on-and-off all season. His rebounding went from weak to awful.
Kobe Bryant | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 17 17 26.4 37.6 53.6 23.4 0.8 4.6 39.1 4.4 3.4
2 - 22 22 29.7 39.8 49.5 27.2 0.8 5.9 41.8 6.3 3.4
3 - 20 20 30.9 42.0 47.9 27.4 1.2 6.5 38.5 5.8 3.8
4 - 18 18 39.4 43.8 50.8 32.4 1.1 5.6 33.5 4.7 2.7 |
Kobe started the season recovering from knee surgery. He scored the least in the first quarter but had his best shooting percentage. His shooting percentage went way down in the 3rd quarter. In the last quarter, his scoring exploded while his FT/FG severly dropped off.
Andrew Bynum | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 20 14 7.4 18.8 55.4 11.0 1.2 5.5 48.9 1.1 1.6
2 - 22 11 8.7 22.1 58.6 14.0 1.7 6.7 32.0 1.4 1.6
3 - 22 22 8.5 29.2 51.4 13.4 2.2 7.0 30.7 1.5 1.5
4 - 18 6 6.2 16.1 59.0 8.4 1.6 4.0 16.9 0.5 0.9 |
Bynum was the only center to be healthy all season. The Lakers limited his minutes in the first half of the season, but had to play him starter minutes in the 3rd quarter. His game really fell off in the 4th quarter.
Brian Cook | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 12 0 4.8 9.6 44.9 5.0 1.3 2.4 8.5 0.7 0.7
2 - 22 17 9.4 20.7 57.4 11.6 1.1 4.5 7.1 1.5 0.9
3 - 19 7 7.8 18.7 49.6 8.0 0.9 3.5 11.1 1.0 1.0
4 - 12 0 3.0 7.6 38.6 2.3 0.4 1.6 4.5 0.4 0.3 |
It looks like he needed steady significant minutes to play well. He didn't get those in the 1st and 4th quarter and his play was poor.
Maurice Evans | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 20 2 6.8 18.1 50.4 5.9 1.3 2.3 16.4 0.8 0.8
2 - 22 0 9.0 24.1 48.8 8.2 0.9 3.1 23.9 1.0 1.0
3 - 21 8 10.0 28.1 41.6 9.2 1.5 3.5 26.7 1.2 0.6
4 - 13 0 7.2 18.9 56.3 7.4 1.3 2.6 18.1 0.8 0.6 |
His worst quarter was when he got the most minutes.
Jordan Farmar | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 18 0 6.4 18.2 56.8 7.5 0.3 1.8 7.4 2.5 1.1
2 - 22 0 6.0 16.3 55.9 6.9 0.3 1.7 17.6 2.2 1.0
3 - 18 0 2.4 12.8 37.1 2.0 0.3 1.3 0.0 1.1 1.2
4 - 14 2 2.1 12.5 35.9 3.6 0.4 1.8 5.1 1.6 0.6 |
Hit the rookie wall the last half of the season.
Aaron McKie | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
2 - 1 0 0.0 5.0 0.0 -1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0
3 - 9 0 2.4 14.0 64.7 4.9 0.1 2.0 0.0 1.4 0.8 |
He was done when the season started.
Lamar Odom | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 20 20 18.4 39.7 53.2 22.0 1.4 9.1 32.6 5.1 3.9
2 - 1 1 0.0 3.0 0.0 -1.0 0.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
3 - 17 17 15.2 40.9 45.7 19.7 2.5 10.4 24.2 4.4 2.8
4 - 18 18 14.7 39.5 53.9 22.7 1.8 10.4 30.2 5.2 2.2 |
His numbers in the first and last quarter were almost identical. He and Bryant had by far the best efficiency numbers of anyone on the Lakers.
Smush Parker | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 20 20 9.4 29.4 48.2 8.2 0.6 2.4 16.9 2.7 1.9
2 - 22 22 13.0 31.0 55.4 11.9 0.5 2.7 17.0 2.2 1.5
3 - 22 22 12.0 30.8 49.8 9.6 0.5 2.3 11.8 2.5 2.1
4 - 18 16 9.4 28.3 47.5 9.7 0.7 2.8 12.0 4.0 2.0 |
Parker didn't contribute much beyond scoring and he wasn't that good of a scorer.
Vladimir Radmanovic | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 19 0 4.9 13.8 44.9 5.8 1.2 2.9 17.0 1.3 1.1
2 - 22 4 7.2 19.5 48.2 6.3 0.7 3.0 17.1 0.8 1.3
3 - 11 11 9.6 25.8 54.0 11.4 1.2 5.1 13.8 2.0 1.6
4 - 3 0 0.7 4.7 0.0 1.7 0.3 1.0 200.0 0.7 0.3 |
It's a measure of how badly injuries ravaged the Lakers that Radmanovic started 15 games despite having a torn muscle in his hand. He was a big disappointment, but will hopefully bounce back this season. He was playing his best when he got injured.
Ronny Turiaf | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 16 0 4.6 10.1 66.7 6.7 0.8 2.4 42.9 0.5 0.6
2 - 18 0 4.0 14.8 41.9 6.4 1.1 3.5 32.3 1.1 0.7
3 - 20 0 6.1 16.5 59.7 8.6 1.5 3.8 48.6 0.9 0.7
4 - 18 1 6.4 18.3 54.3 10.5 1.4 4.6 17.4 1.1 0.9 |
Turiaf got more minutes each quarter and shot a good percentage every quarter but the 2nd. Was he still recovering from open heart surgery? However, he didn't rebound much better than Cook did.
Sasha Vujacic | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 15 1 2.5 9.9 38.0 1.6 0.3 1.1 6.5 0.7 0.7
2 - 21 0 6.0 14.0 60.8 6.9 0.5 1.7 21.6 1.0 0.4
3 - 21 2 3.9 12.8 45.9 3.6 0.2 1.1 19.2 0.6 0.3
4 - 16 1 4.3 14.1 50.0 5.3 0.6 2.0 11.5 1.2 0.3 |
He had one good quarter. I am ready to write him off.
Luke Walton | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 20 20 12.7 32.3 58.2 15.4 1.3 4.5 22.4 3.7 2.1
2 - 22 22 11.1 34.7 45.7 14.4 1.7 5.3 24.8 4.7 2.0
3 - 1 1 3.0 18.0 75.0 6.0 0.0 3.0 0.0 2.0 1.0
4 - 17 17 10.8 32.6 51.9 14.5 1.5 5.4 9.3 4.6 1.9 |
He had a poor second quarter and he shot few free throws in the last quarter. The team shot better when he was playing.
Shammond Williams | Code: |
Gm GS PPG MPG eFG% Eff ORPG RPG FT/FG APG TO
1 - 5 0 0.6 7.0 25.0 1.2 0.2 0.8 0.0 0.8 0.0
2 - 2 0 1.5 6.0 37.5 1.5 1.0 1.5 0.0 1.0 1.0
3 - 13 0 4.2 13.3 66.7 5.2 0.2 1.4 7.7 1.0 0.8
4 - 10 0 3.3 12.4 43.2 3.5 0.5 1.5 2.7 1.2 0.1 |
Contributed very little.
eFG% = Effective Field Goal Percentage = (FG + 0.5*3P) / FGA
OReb% = Offensive Rebounding Percentage = ORB / (ORB + oppDRB)
FT/FG = FTM / FGA
Possessions = FGA + 0.44*FTA - ORB + TO
OEff = Offensive Efficiency = PTS / Possessions
%Assist = Assists / FGM
TO Rate = Turnover rate per possession = 100 * Turnovers / Possessions
Dreb% = Defensive Rebounding Percentage = DRB / (DRB + oppORB)
DEff = Defensive Efficiency = oppPTS / opp Possessions
Eff = Efficiency = (PTS+TR+AS+ST+BK-(FGA-FGM)-(FTA-FTM)-TO)/Gm
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oldschool32
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Yes that is pretty long, I'm still trying to go through it. I have been looking through alot of old box scores, and besides the stats, the one thing that stood out to me was the amount of points the Lakers gave up in the 4th quarter. Phil actually implementing a defense alone would add 5 wins to last season. I expect the Fisher signing to help in certain areas as these that wont show up in his boxscores.
Some things I am getting from this:
1)Parker was terrible.
2)Lakers need to take the ball out of Kobe's hands more.
3)The majority of the roster was inconsistant, couple that with inconsistant availability due to injuries and you get exactly what you saw last year: The Lakers never got it out of first gear.
4)This is only my opinion, but did anyone else notice that Kobe struggled to get his rythym when we were playing team ball last season? He wasn't himself closing out games at that time, and it really was the first time I have seen him not be able "to turn it on" when he wants to. I hope that is not a problem this season, I'd like to see alot more fga's by Bynum and Odom.
5)In relation to #4, the offense does need to be better balanced and it can't be so easily laid out. I noticed much of last season, they looked like robots going through it, not only on an individual level but on a team level as well. Quarters 1-3: run the triangle, distribute it evenly, quarter 4:Kobe tries to turn it on and finish the game by himself.
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| oldschool32 wrote: | Yes that is pretty long, I'm still trying to go through it. I have been looking through alot of old box scores, and besides the stats, the one thing that stood out to me was the amount of points the Lakers gave up in the 4th quarter. Phil actually implementing a defense alone would add 5 wins to last season. I expect the Fisher signing to help in certain areas as these that wont show up in his boxscores.
Some things I am getting from this:
1)Parker was terrible.
2)Lakers need to take the ball out of Kobe's hands more.
3)The majority of the roster was inconsistant, couple that with inconsistant availability due to injuries and you get exactly what you saw last year: The Lakers never got it out of first gear.
4)This is only my opinion, but did anyone else notice that Kobe struggled to get his rythym when we were playing team ball last season? He wasn't himself closing out games at that time, and it really was the first time I have seen him not be able "to turn it on" when he wants to. I hope that is not a problem this season, I'd like to see alot more fga's by Bynum and Odom.
5)In relation to #4, the offense does need to be better balanced and it can't be so easily laid out. I noticed much of last season, they looked like robots going through it, not only on an individual level but on a team level as well. Quarters 1-3: run the triangle, distribute it evenly, quarter 4:Kobe tries to turn it on and finish the game by himself.
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parker wasn't flat out terrible. he became terrible as luke emerged. Why?
because Luke took his job. you say what job is that? anyone remember phil giving everyone something to work on in the summer prior to this past season? smush's two things were work on his mid range jumper(which he did). and work on being more of a floor general(*******alert).
Now you tell me. how can you be a floor general. when everyone on your teams except for the center is playing fake point guard? (luke, Kobe fresh off of surgery wasn't trying to score he was trying to pass, LO)
the answer is, you can't be a floor general in that environment. unless you have jkidd like talent. and smush does not have that kind of pg skills. so that was out. So now what can he do? well he's still playing tri pg. and once again since waltons scoring has stepped up. Someone elses touches will go down. Smush has to be the odd man out. just by basic math.
kobe most touches
LO next
Smush and walton use to share the amount of quality touches they received. but since luke couldn't mis a 3 early on. luke stole his spot.
Smush is now 4th on the list.
So not only can he not be a floor general. but he can't be what he is a scorer. so what is he worth now as a starter? Nothing really. See you would be okay if he were fisher. and you were never looking for scoring from that area. or a steve kerr type. where he gets 3 touches and makes 1 to 2 shots per. cause every time someone was missing (luke, LO) and we needed smush to put up the numbers. he did. the stats above show it. I told people this while it was happening and everyone said i was crazy. the stats prove what i already knew. not enough ball to go around for a smush to work(on offense). This is how i knew it was only a matter of time at that point. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Dennis,
Thanks for the effort. I appreciate the information and analysis.
However, I do have a quibble with your first point on what stands out to you. You said that the Lakers were terrible at forcing turnovers all season.
However, in the 1st quarter of the season, the Lakers were above average in opponents' turnovers. They were also slighly above average in defensive efficiency. For the rest of the season, the Lakers were horrible at opponents' turnovers and were horrible with respect to defensive efficiency.
Since the Lakers' defensive eFG% and defensive Reb% was close to average all year, it seems to me that the opponents' turnovers were a huge factor in the Lakers' defense and success (in terms of won-loss record) in the 1st quarter and problems thereafter.
To be more specific, in the 1st quarter, opponents' TOs were 16.9. For the rest of the season, opponents averaged approximately 13.9 turnovers. That's a difference of 3 empty possessions per game, which equates to slighlty more than 3 points less for the opponents per game.
I don't know what explains the drop in opponents' TOs, but that seems extremely important. I imagine part of the drop is due to other teams becoming better offensively as the season goes on (more practice, more experience together as a team). But a lot of was probably due to a drop in defensive play by our players.
If you have the time and interest, I would recommend focusing on steals by Laker players per quartile. Was the drop in opponents' TOs due to Lamar becoming injured and then not coming back fully healthy? Was the drop due to Kobe focusing more on offense and conserving energy on defense? Was it due to Smush becoming more lackadaisical on defense and Farmar hitting the rookie wall as the season went on? Or was it due to Kwame becoming injured and being replaced by a much slower player? Or all or most of the above?
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Good work, Dennis.
A clear indication unfortunately that some of our key players - Bynum, Odom and Walton - just could not sustain the form they had earlier in the season.
Odom + Walton dealt with severe injuries, Bynum with hitting the wall.
I think that is important for the next season. The Lakers seem to have more depth, which is important for the regular season.
C/PF: Bynum, Brown, Mihm, Turiaf
PF/SF: Odom, Radmanovic, Cook
SF/SG: Bryant, Walton, Evans
SG/PG: Crittenton, Vujacic
PG: Fisher, Farmar
We need Bynum or Brown, Odom, Walton and a PG/SG to have a consistent season for us next season alongside Bryant, to really improve the team's W-L record. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Excellent work.
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| postandpivot wrote: | | oldschool32 wrote: | Yes that is pretty long, I'm still trying to go through it. I have been looking through alot of old box scores, and besides the stats, the one thing that stood out to me was the amount of points the Lakers gave up in the 4th quarter. Phil actually implementing a defense alone would add 5 wins to last season. I expect the Fisher signing to help in certain areas as these that wont show up in his boxscores.
Some things I am getting from this:
1)Parker was terrible.
2)Lakers need to take the ball out of Kobe's hands more.
3)The majority of the roster was inconsistant, couple that with inconsistant availability due to injuries and you get exactly what you saw last year: The Lakers never got it out of first gear.
4)This is only my opinion, but did anyone else notice that Kobe struggled to get his rythym when we were playing team ball last season? He wasn't himself closing out games at that time, and it really was the first time I have seen him not be able "to turn it on" when he wants to. I hope that is not a problem this season, I'd like to see alot more fga's by Bynum and Odom.
5)In relation to #4, the offense does need to be better balanced and it can't be so easily laid out. I noticed much of last season, they looked like robots going through it, not only on an individual level but on a team level as well. Quarters 1-3: run the triangle, distribute it evenly, quarter 4:Kobe tries to turn it on and finish the game by himself.
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parker wasn't flat out terrible. he became terrible as luke emerged. Why?
because Luke took his job. you say what job is that? anyone remember phil giving everyone something to work on in the summer prior to this past season? smush's two things were work on his mid range jumper(which he did). and work on being more of a floor general(*******alert).
Now you tell me. how can you be a floor general. when everyone on your teams except for the center is playing fake point guard? (luke, Kobe fresh off of surgery wasn't trying to score he was trying to pass, LO)
the answer is, you can't be a floor general in that environment. unless you have jkidd like talent. and smush does not have that kind of pg skills. so that was out. So now what can he do? well he's still playing tri pg. and once again since waltons scoring has stepped up. Someone elses touches will go down. Smush has to be the odd man out. just by basic math.
kobe most touches
LO next
Smush and walton use to share the amount of quality touches they received. but since luke couldn't mis a 3 early on. luke stole his spot.
Smush is now 4th on the list.
So not only can he not be a floor general. but he can't be what he is a scorer. so what is he worth now as a starter? Nothing really. See you would be okay if he were fisher. and you were never looking for scoring from that area. or a steve kerr type. where he gets 3 touches and makes 1 to 2 shots per. cause every time someone was missing (luke, LO) and we needed smush to put up the numbers. he did. the stats above show it. I told people this while it was happening and everyone said i was crazy. the stats prove what i already knew. not enough ball to go around for a smush to work(on offense). This is how i knew it was only a matter of time at that point. |
So, post, how do you see it working with Fisher at the 1 this year??
With LO, LW and KB (at times) as playmakers, do you think Critt's game is better suited to mesh with the starters???
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That's what I call a breakdown.
Not only the stats, but legitimate explanations behind the statistics to give the facts verifiable meaning.
Awesome.
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Still digesting the information. Lots to think about.
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| B_P wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | | oldschool32 wrote: | Yes that is pretty long, I'm still trying to go through it. I have been looking through alot of old box scores, and besides the stats, the one thing that stood out to me was the amount of points the Lakers gave up in the 4th quarter. Phil actually implementing a defense alone would add 5 wins to last season. I expect the Fisher signing to help in certain areas as these that wont show up in his boxscores.
Some things I am getting from this:
1)Parker was terrible.
2)Lakers need to take the ball out of Kobe's hands more.
3)The majority of the roster was inconsistant, couple that with inconsistant availability due to injuries and you get exactly what you saw last year: The Lakers never got it out of first gear.
4)This is only my opinion, but did anyone else notice that Kobe struggled to get his rythym when we were playing team ball last season? He wasn't himself closing out games at that time, and it really was the first time I have seen him not be able "to turn it on" when he wants to. I hope that is not a problem this season, I'd like to see alot more fga's by Bynum and Odom.
5)In relation to #4, the offense does need to be better balanced and it can't be so easily laid out. I noticed much of last season, they looked like robots going through it, not only on an individual level but on a team level as well. Quarters 1-3: run the triangle, distribute it evenly, quarter 4:Kobe tries to turn it on and finish the game by himself.
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parker wasn't flat out terrible. he became terrible as luke emerged. Why?
because Luke took his job. you say what job is that? anyone remember phil giving everyone something to work on in the summer prior to this past season? smush's two things were work on his mid range jumper(which he did). and work on being more of a floor general(*******alert).
Now you tell me. how can you be a floor general. when everyone on your teams except for the center is playing fake point guard? (luke, Kobe fresh off of surgery wasn't trying to score he was trying to pass, LO)
the answer is, you can't be a floor general in that environment. unless you have jkidd like talent. and smush does not have that kind of pg skills. so that was out. So now what can he do? well he's still playing tri pg. and once again since waltons scoring has stepped up. Someone elses touches will go down. Smush has to be the odd man out. just by basic math.
kobe most touches
LO next
Smush and walton use to share the amount of quality touches they received. but since luke couldn't mis a 3 early on. luke stole his spot.
Smush is now 4th on the list.
So not only can he not be a floor general. but he can't be what he is a scorer. so what is he worth now as a starter? Nothing really. See you would be okay if he were fisher. and you were never looking for scoring from that area. or a steve kerr type. where he gets 3 touches and makes 1 to 2 shots per. cause every time someone was missing (luke, LO) and we needed smush to put up the numbers. he did. the stats above show it. I told people this while it was happening and everyone said i was crazy. the stats prove what i already knew. not enough ball to go around for a smush to work(on offense). This is how i knew it was only a matter of time at that point. |
So, post, how do you see it working with Fisher at the 1 this year??
With LO, LW and KB (at times) as playmakers, do you think Critt's game is better suited to mesh with the starters??? |
as for fish and critt. they both have an advantage over smush.
neither of them are fightening themselves to work within the offense constantly. perhaps critt a little. but even he has played in this offense before in high school. so he knows its worth. Smush on the other hand did well for us for that first year. and I myself was surprised he didn't go and 1 mixtape A-wall. then. Because most guys just can't take it. pjax playing with your court time. The triangle messing with what you think should be done on the court at a particular time. thats an ongoing fight all in your mind.
as for Fish, been there done that. its nothing to fish, old news, easy as riding a bike. Fisher was here in 2001, when that Tri was ran like Clockwork in the offs. and we ran thru the entire league like it was varsity vs JV. It wasn't just shaq's dominance, or kobe's dominance in those offs. it was every single guy all the way down to 9th man. thats how smooth the offense was running. So again he knows the value of the offense. and he's an older guy with less ability then smush. so there's no fight going on in his mind with him trying to get his And one mixtape on. With him trying to find his niche in this league.
Now back to Critt playing with the starters. Mark my words. it will be best for farmar and critt. if they play side by side vs steal time at the pg spot from each other.
Lineup
Farmar (pg)
Critt-explosive sg that can guard sg's and pg's
Kobe-explosive sf, that can guard sg's and sf's
whoever
whoever
understand this. phil will be best served playing a shooting guard at a shooting guards position to get the best results. should critt be able to bring the ball up from time to time? Sure. should he be able to start the offense from time to time? Sure. but that should not have much to do with him taking time from farmar. kobe has been the facilitator from the Sg spot for years. so its not like it can't be done from a different position.
truth be told we all knew smush would've been better and still a laker if he was the back up 2guard/1guard if need be. now that we have a vet at the 1guard spot, and farmar as the backup 1 guard. we really dont need a 3rd PG to actually Play pg. critt is there if fish goes down with an old man injury and takes awhile to get back. or if he has to do something for his daughter. thats truthfully the only reason critt should be playing PG.
UNLESS. we want to go explosive at every position. because the opposing pg is just man handling farmar and fisher(to athetlic for fish, and to strong for farmar). then and only then is it critt time at pg.
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| Mike@LG wrote: | That's what I call a breakdown.
Not only the stats, but legitimate explanations behind the statistics to give the facts verifiable meaning.
Awesome. |
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| postandpivot wrote: | parker wasn't flat out terrible. he became terrible as luke emerged. Why?
because Luke took his job. you say what job is that? anyone remember phil giving everyone something to work on in the summer prior to this past season? smush's two things were work on his mid range jumper(which he did). and work on being more of a floor general(*******alert).
Now you tell me. how can you be a floor general. when everyone on your teams except for the center is playing fake point guard? (luke, Kobe fresh off of surgery wasn't trying to score he was trying to pass, LO)
the answer is, you can't be a floor general in that environment. unless you have jkidd like talent. and smush does not have that kind of pg skills. so that was out. So now what can he do? well he's still playing tri pg. and once again since waltons scoring has stepped up. Someone elses touches will go down. Smush has to be the odd man out. just by basic math.
kobe most touches
LO next
Smush and walton use to share the amount of quality touches they received. but since luke couldn't mis a 3 early on. luke stole his spot.
Smush is now 4th on the list.
So not only can he not be a floor general. but he can't be what he is a scorer. so what is he worth now as a starter? Nothing really. See you would be okay if he were fisher. and you were never looking for scoring from that area. or a steve kerr type. where he gets 3 touches and makes 1 to 2 shots per. cause every time someone was missing (luke, LO) and we needed smush to put up the numbers. he did. the stats above show it. I told people this while it was happening and everyone said i was crazy. the stats prove what i already knew. not enough ball to go around for a smush to work(on offense). This is how i knew it was only a matter of time at that point. |
Smush's stats were worse last season compared to the prior season almost across the board:
FG%: .436 vs .447
FT%: .646 vs .694
Reb Per 40 Min: 2.6 vs 3.4
Ast Per 40 Min: 3.7 vs 4.4
TO Per 40 Min: 2.5 vs 2.1
PF's Per 40 Min: 3.4 vs 3.1
3pt%, Steals Per 40 Min and Blocks Per 40 Min were basically the same.
Looking at 82games.com ('06-'07 and '05-'06), the reason Smush's FG% fell was that his number of dunks decreased:
Jumpshot: 71% of shots with .484 eFG% vs 65% of shots with .453 eFG%
Close: 27% of shots with .538 eFG% vs 28% of shots with .610 eFG%
Dunk 2% of shots with .938 eFG% vs 7% of shots with .882 eFG%
In '06-'07, roughly 1% of his shots were dunks off assists and in '05-'06, roughly 5% of his shots were dunks off assists. To me, that means Smush wasn't working last season within the offense to get easy shots.
The big thing I was looking for from Smush was improved defense and that really didn't happen. Per 82games.com, Smush's opponent PER dropped slightly from 18.7 to 18.0 and his opponent's TO's increased from 3.3 to 3.8. However, Farmar had better defensive stats - 15.2 and 4.1 respectively.
I just down see how your "Smush didn't get as many touches as promised" theory explains last season's stats.
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Great analysis.
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| Dennis_D wrote: | IParker didn't contribute much beyond scoring and he wasn't that good of a scorer.
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 Definition of Smush
And this would be a really good idea to during the season.
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| Dennis_D wrote: | | postandpivot wrote: | parker wasn't flat out terrible. he became terrible as luke emerged. Why?
because Luke took his job. you say what job is that? anyone remember phil giving everyone something to work on in the summer prior to this past season? smush's two things were work on his mid range jumper(which he did). and work on being more of a floor general(*******alert).
Now you tell me. how can you be a floor general. when everyone on your teams except for the center is playing fake point guard? (luke, Kobe fresh off of surgery wasn't trying to score he was trying to pass, LO)
the answer is, you can't be a floor general in that environment. unless you have jkidd like talent. and smush does not have that kind of pg skills. so that was out. So now what can he do? well he's still playing tri pg. and once again since waltons scoring has stepped up. Someone elses touches will go down. Smush has to be the odd man out. just by basic math.
kobe most touches
LO next
Smush and walton use to share the amount of quality touches they received. but since luke couldn't mis a 3 early on. luke stole his spot.
Smush is now 4th on the list.
So not only can he not be a floor general. but he can't be what he is a scorer. so what is he worth now as a starter? Nothing really. See you would be okay if he were fisher. and you were never looking for scoring from that area. or a steve kerr type. where he gets 3 touches and makes 1 to 2 shots per. cause every time someone was missing (luke, LO) and we needed smush to put up the numbers. he did. the stats above show it. I told people this while it was happening and everyone said i was crazy. the stats prove what i already knew. not enough ball to go around for a smush to work(on offense). This is how i knew it was only a matter of time at that point. |
Smush's stats were worse last season compared to the prior season almost across the board:
FG%: .436 vs .447
FT%: .646 vs .694
Reb Per 40 Min: 2.6 vs 3.4
Ast Per 40 Min: 3.7 vs 4.4
TO Per 40 Min: 2.5 vs 2.1
PF's Per 40 Min: 3.4 vs 3.1
3pt%, Steals Per 40 Min and Blocks Per 40 Min were basically the same.
Looking at 82games.com ('06-'07 and '05-'06), the reason Smush's FG% fell was that his number of dunks decreased:
Jumpshot: 71% of shots with .484 eFG% vs 65% of shots with .453 eFG%
Close: 27% of shots with .538 eFG% vs 28% of shots with .610 eFG%
Dunk 2% of shots with .938 eFG% vs 7% of shots with .882 eFG%
In '06-'07, roughly 1% of his shots were dunks off assists and in '05-'06, roughly 5% of his shots were dunks off assists. To me, that means Smush wasn't working last season within the offense to get easy shots.
The big thing I was looking for from Smush was improved defense and that really didn't happen. Per 82games.com, Smush's opponent PER dropped slightly from 18.7 to 18.0 and his opponent's TO's increased from 3.3 to 3.8. However, Farmar had better defensive stats - 15.2 and 4.1 respectively.
I just down see how your "Smush didn't get as many touches as promised" theory explains last season's stats. |
My theory was prove. wasn't as many touches as promised. as in give me the ball and let me go. i'm talking quality touches where he could attack right away(whether that be an open trey or something else pie and cake easy. )
Unless the lakers ppg blows up like 10 points. which it didn't. what will happen when another role player starts to put up the numbers(Luke)? someone's quality/quantity touches will suffer. Smush was the odd man out.
remember how the season started.
Kobe hurt=Kobe the passer. This was supposed to be the year of smush the floor general.
Luke is already a savvy floor general
LO is a good passer also.
But low and behold(something I failed to mentioned in this thread). Bynum as a starter was a decent passer and decent scorer.
The basic concept of bball. had smush as the odd man out. if Luke aint missing open 3's. and when he's posting up he's 85% effective. meaning he either makes the shot, or make a pass for an even better shot. then you have to give luke the basketball. Since Bynum is scoring and passing pretty good. he's a big man, you gotta feed him the rock.
Kobe is kobe. Lo is next in line after kobe. So where's smush? he's left with having to better knock down every open shot he gets OR ELSE. thats why you saw him taking more dumb dumb, off balanced runners then in the previous season. because he was trying to force the issue when it wasn't time to do so. cause how he saw it. was there was not going to be another chance at the rate the team was playing early. and it was true. I watched numerous games. where he would be open. but they would pass it to the other option first(odom, luke, bynum). or (kobe, odom, Bynum ) or (kobe, luke Bynum).
now as far as him getting dunks from a fast breaking stand point. that rarely happened this past season. because the team in general was not running the break well at all. if smush tipped the ball lose. no one else would get to the basketball on the team. so the opponent would recover what should'v'e been a laker steal. this happened often. not just on smush steals. but with other guys blocks or poke outs as well. we had chances to run by didn't capitalize on them. so it took away a few more easy greasy buckets for the 5th option named smush.
now thats offense. as far as defense is concerned. our entire team not named kobe. is mentally geared towards offense first. defense 2nd. meaning, if my offense is on. i'm playing solid defense(to my ability). if my offense is off. I may try to reach and make suicide attempts for steals. Smush and kobe both were doing this all season long. how in the world did kobe make 1st team defense. is beyond me. well its because the man got jerked for another MVP trophy. so you felt bad. basically smush's de wasn't terrible. we overexaggerate everyone pg's defense on the lakers. (except for chucky). there's a difference between being walked by without constant screens. and constant screeners screening you. with no help from the bigs. or when the bigs finally decide to help. they dont get help. so they go back to not helping you the pg. lakers point guards have been setup to fail at pg defense since sedale threat.
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| Great great post man. I love the stats and analysis to break em down. Thank you. 8) |
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| abc wrote: | However, I do have a quibble with your first point on what stands out to you. You said that the Lakers were terrible at forcing turnovers all season.
However, in the 1st quarter of the season, the Lakers were above average in opponents' turnovers. They were also slighly above average in defensive efficiency. For the rest of the season, the Lakers were horrible at opponents' turnovers and were horrible with respect to defensive efficiency.
Since the Lakers' defensive eFG% and defensive Reb% was close to average all year, it seems to me that the opponents' turnovers were a huge factor in the Lakers' defense and success (in terms of won-loss record) in the 1st quarter and problems thereafter.
To be more specific, in the 1st quarter, opponents' TOs were 16.9. For the rest of the season, opponents averaged approximately 13.9 turnovers. That's a difference of 3 empty possessions per game, which equates to slighlty more than 3 points less for the opponents per game.
I don't know what explains the drop in opponents' TOs, but that seems extremely important. I imagine part of the drop is due to other teams becoming better offensively as the season goes on (more practice, more experience together as a team). But a lot of was probably due to a drop in defensive play by our players.
If you have the time and interest, I would recommend focusing on steals by Laker players per quartile. Was the drop in opponents' TOs due to Lamar becoming injured and then not coming back fully healthy? Was the drop due to Kobe focusing more on offense and conserving energy on defense? Was it due to Smush becoming more lackadaisical on defense and Farmar hitting the rookie wall as the season went on? Or was it due to Kwame becoming injured and being replaced by a much slower player? Or all or most of the above? |
Steals per game by quarter is very stable - 7.00, 7.27, 7.77, 7.17
Steals per 100 possessions by quarter - 7.28, 7.28, 8.16, 7.29
In the 3rd Quarter, Bryant and Parker's steals went up, which is the main source of increase of steals in that quarter. Otherwise, the steal per game numbers for individual players look pretty steady.
Yes, I should have said something about turnovers forced in the first quarter, but I just assumed that it was due to sloppy play at the start of the season. I couldn't think of any good reason to offer for it, so I didn't mention it.
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| wolfpaclaker wrote: | Good work, Dennis.
A clear indication unfortunately that some of our key players - Bynum, Odom and Walton - just could not sustain the form they had earlier in the season.
Odom + Walton dealt with severe injuries, Bynum with hitting the wall.
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Few people seem to know that Bynum not only hit the wall, but hit his knee. I remember a couple of telecasts where Stu told the story how when they were in the plane he noticed a largely swollen knee and asked him about that. Bynum said he bumped knees with someone and had been playing with it that way for about a month? Does anyone remember the details on that? As I recall it happened around the 3rd quarter of the season. |
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| Dennis_D wrote: | | abc wrote: | However, I do have a quibble with your first point on what stands out to you. You said that the Lakers were terrible at forcing turnovers all season.
However, in the 1st quarter of the season, the Lakers were above average in opponents' turnovers. They were also slighly above average in defensive efficiency. For the rest of the season, the Lakers were horrible at opponents' turnovers and were horrible with respect to defensive efficiency.
Since the Lakers' defensive eFG% and defensive Reb% was close to average all year, it seems to me that the opponents' turnovers were a huge factor in the Lakers' defense and success (in terms of won-loss record) in the 1st quarter and problems thereafter.
To be more specific, in the 1st quarter, opponents' TOs were 16.9. For the rest of the season, opponents averaged approximately 13.9 turnovers. That's a difference of 3 empty possessions per game, which equates to slighlty more than 3 points less for the opponents per game.
I don't know what explains the drop in opponents' TOs, but that seems extremely important. I imagine part of the drop is due to other teams becoming better offensively as the season goes on (more practice, more experience together as a team). But a lot of was probably due to a drop in defensive play by our players.
If you have the time and interest, I would recommend focusing on steals by Laker players per quartile. Was the drop in opponents' TOs due to Lamar becoming injured and then not coming back fully healthy? Was the drop due to Kobe focusing more on offense and conserving energy on defense? Was it due to Smush becoming more lackadaisical on defense and Farmar hitting the rookie wall as the season went on? Or was it due to Kwame becoming injured and being replaced by a much slower player? Or all or most of the above? |
Steals per game by quarter is very stable - 7.00, 7.27, 7.77, 7.17
Steals per 100 possessions by quarter - 7.28, 7.28, 8.16, 7.29
In the 3rd Quarter, Bryant and Parker's steals went up, which is the main source of increase of steals in that quarter. Otherwise, the steal per game numbers for individual players look pretty steady.
Yes, I should have said something about turnovers forced in the first quarter, but I just assumed that it was due to sloppy play at the start of the season. I couldn't think of any good reason to offer for it, so I didn't mention it. |
Dennis,
Thanks for the additional analysis.
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| oldschool32 wrote: | Yes that is pretty long, I'm still trying to go through it. I have been looking through alot of old box scores, and besides the stats, the one thing that stood out to me was the amount of points the Lakers gave up in the 4th quarter. Phil actually implementing a defense alone would add 5 wins to last season. I expect the Fisher signing to help in certain areas as these that wont show up in his boxscores.
Some things I am getting from this:
1)Parker was terrible.
2)Lakers need to take the ball out of Kobe's hands more.
3)The majority of the roster was inconsistant, couple that with inconsistant availability due to injuries and you get exactly what you saw last year: The Lakers never got it out of first gear.
4)This is only my opinion, but did anyone else notice that Kobe struggled to get his rythym when we were playing team ball last season? He wasn't himself closing out games at that time, and it really was the first time I have seen him not be able "to turn it on" when he wants to. I hope that is not a problem this season, I'd like to see alot more fga's by Bynum and Odom.
5)In relation to #4, the offense does need to be better balanced and it can't be so easily laid out. I noticed much of last season, they looked like robots going through it, not only on an individual level but on a team level as well. Quarters 1-3: run the triangle, distribute it evenly, quarter 4:Kobe tries to turn it on and finish the game by himself.
Alot of information there, good work. |
I think that was more a product of his recovering from knee surgery than anything else. |
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ElginBaylor
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Dennis - I'm gonna go out on a limb here and take a guess that you took statistics at some point in your life. Otherwise you just have a morbid fascination with numbers. At any rate, good work. While stats don't give you the whole picture, it does show a great deal about this inbalanced season this team had.
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