Lakers: Plan D

Fan0Bynum17 · Franchise Player Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Posts: 15436

I think I'm going to have to face the fact that my hopes are already up. If Mitch could pull this off then he's earned a free pass from here on out from me. JUST DO IT MITCH!!!!!

TNLakersFanInLA · Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:40 pm Post subject:

Is this rumor serious??
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davidse · Franchise Player Joined: 03 Jul 2005 Posts: 14302

couple of things:

first - about charlie bell (you know i can't pass up talking about him...).
if the bucks really have no interest in signing him - the lakers HAVE to ask for him.
add some 2nd rd picks, some cash - whatever's necessary, because this is also a great way to make sure the team actually improves in the short term (not only long term) with this deal, and SELL IT TO KOBE !

this would mean that noel isn't needed in the deal, and la can and should include sasha + mo evans.

fish/bell/critt
kobe/bell/karl
walton/simmons/vlad
odom/yi/cook
bynum/mihm/turiaf

second, this may sound shocking at first, but we may have a golden opportunity here to actually dump vlad.

if the bucks do this deal - they'll have 4 centers on the roster (also signed vuskuhl), and NO natural small forward (even mason is a tweener).

i think that this would be a rare occasion where a team would actually be willing to take on vlad's contract, if the lakers take back gadzuric - who has an equaly bad deal.

for the lakers who just lost kwame and may very well lose mihm next summer - this is a solid move. especially since we'll now have luke and simmons at sf.

and for the bucks - they'll still have 3 centers (bogut, kwame, jake), but now they'll also have a natural small forward to back up mason.
there's no reason to think they'd rather keep gadzuric than get vlad - if they also do a simmons/kwame swap.

we can't pass this up - this is our chance to dump vlad, and preper for next summer when mihm probably opts out and with simmons, vlad, and lux tax - we probably opt to let mihm walk and play turiaf out of position at back up center.

infidel · Star Player Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 1175

If the Lakers get Yi, my support for the Lakers will turn into a fanatical religion of crusade-like intensity.

Free Yi!

Luke · Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject:

-davidse- you are thinking so much about Bell that you forgot to include the main piece of the trade in the team

By the way, good idea to try to take Charlie Bell , who is better than Evans an younger than Fisher ( and will be better than him after he learn the offense), but selling him to Kobe, who now has eyes only for Jason Kidd, could not be a good move...

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Dorray · Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:45 pm Post subject:

How about?

Vlad for Gadzuric is basically one bad contract for another. Mo is very serviceable as backup 2 or 3 plus is an expiring contract. Farmar is a nice young PG to backup Williams and Kwame is a serviceable big to provide D and also a big expiring contract. That deal would be even better if the Bucks s&t Bell (but that wasn't an option on the espn trade machine).

Fisher, Critt, Sasha
Kobe, Bell?, Karl
Simmons, Luke
Odom, Ji, Ronny, Cook
Bynum, Mihm, Gadzuric

Lakers can run a ridiculously big lineup with Kobe, Simmons, Odom, Ronny/Ji, Bynum. I don't like Simmons' contract, but he knows how to score and is a threat beyond the arc.

Williams, Farmar
Redd, Mason, Evans
Vlad, Noel
Villanueva, Markota
Bogut, Kwame, Voskuhl

The Bucks can run a big lineup of Kwame, Bogut (he played PF sometimes when Magloire was on the team), Villanueva, Redd and Mo. They can play Evans or Mason at the 2 or 3 and Vlad or Villanueva at the 3 or 4. Fairly versatile team. Kwame gives them some added D, which they need.

This trade makes sense for both teams.

LakersFanKB#24 · Star Player Joined: 02 Jun 2007 Posts: 2776

I would love for this trade to go through. Does Mitch have the nuts to pull the trigger if the offer is on the table is the question?

Fish/Bell/Critt
Kobe/Bell/Karl
Simmons/Luke
LO/Yi/Ronny/Cook
Bynum/Mihm/Gadz

Even better is if we trade Brian Cook for something, and I mean anything. I could really care less who it is for. Cook is not really any good for the lakers. Also, if this deal went through, wouldn't we still have what's left of the MLE to use on someone else? If you want to cut someone, cut Coby Karl, or Sasha, or Brian Cook.

Look who is still left for the Lakers to sign:

Ruben Patterson
Brian Skinner
Melvin Ely
Adonal Foyle
Dale Davis
Jumaine Jones
Dahntay Jones
Corliss Williamson

And, with only about 25 roster spots available in the whole NBA, these guys may be forced to take less money. I am sure that the Lakers could pry someone off this list and bring them onto the team. This team, if the trade goes through and a free agent is brought in, could make a major splash in the postseason, especially if Bynum and Yi mature quickly. The team would be deep, with a second team off the bench that can score (Bell, Yi, and Critt), rebound (Yi, Mihm, Luke), pass (Luke, Bell, Critt), and play some defense (Bell and Critt). And if you have Ronny as a third PF off the bench, you can be solid. Gadzuric is a serviceable big man who can come in and give you a stretch of 4-6 minutes of good, solid, inside play. I would love this roster if the trade is made, and we pick up a free agent with what's left of the MLE.

Thoughts?

eagles nut · Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject:

Yeah, I considered the Vlad for Gadzuric component as well. Milwauke was reportedly one of the teams that had target Radmanovic last year.

gng930 · Franchise Player Joined: 13 Apr 2001 Posts: 11476

Vlad for Gadz would definitely relieve the glut created at SF and provide some insurance at C.

Vlad and Charlie-V actually complement each other well.

dcarter4kobe · Franchise Player Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 17683

So....Jordan Farmar,Kwame Brown,Mo Evans and maybe B.Cook and a 1st for Yi,Simmons,C.Bell(5.5mill and BYC), and Gadz

Drew/Mimh/Gadz
Lamar/Ronny/Yi
Luke/Simmons
Kobe/Sasha/Karl
Fisher/Bell/J.Critt
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Laker's Fan · Franchise Player Joined: 27 Jun 2002 Posts: 12861

How about the difficult 3-way

Milwaukee
Yi/Simmons/Greer for Kwame/Farmar/Simien/Evans/'08 pick (lal)

Kwame & Evans are good role players that add up to $11 million in expiring deals. Farmar, Simien and '08 pick are assets for the future and fill a depth need.

Miami
Walker/Doleac/Simien for Simmons/Cook/$3million (from Lakers)

Possey is officially gone and starting Walker at the SF spot can't be appealing. Simmons is an upgrade without adding payroll this (tax) year. Miami lost their sharpshooter when Kapono left for Toronto. Cook has played with Oneal and can hit from deep. He is also more experienced than Simien.

Financially this is a wash for the first two years. Miami would be committing to Simmons for a 3rd year (Walker has a team option) and Cook has a player option but will likely look for a longer deal.

Lakers
Kwame/Cook/Evans/Farmar/'08 pick/$3 million for Walker/Yi/Doleac/Greer

Lakers pick up Yi for spare parts and cap space. The added cost is justified by adding talent and revenue (Yi). The 3-way allows LA to reduce the financial expense. Walker could probably be bought out in year 2.

Fisher, Crittenton
Bryant, Karl, Sasha
Walton, Radmanovic
Odom, Yi, Turiaf
Bynum, Mihm
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emplay · Site Staff Joined: 15 Apr 2001 Posts: 25550

think about the odds of actually hitting on a real 2-way trade

multiply that times the percentage of actual multi-team trades that go through (very rare)

once you start down that road - you're pretty much out in no-man's land.

It's a little different like when LA was trying to find a 3rd team for a KG swap - and it was widely acknowledged.

I don't think they'll be an LA/Mil/Mia 3-way
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rwongega · Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject:

infidel · Star Player Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 1175

With each passing day that this trade does not go through, I get increasingly pessimistic and picture Kupchak on the tube whining about "how difficult it is to get trades done," "that magic wands don't grow on trees," "that he's very happy with the roster as it stands," ad infinitum.

I think it's clear that the longer the trade thread on LG, the less likely the chance of it actually happening.

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gng930 · Franchise Player Joined: 13 Apr 2001 Posts: 11476

Bell is a little far-fetched (short of throwing in a first rounder) but I think Skinner is a realistic target.

Skinner would allow Odom to move at SF against a stronger post presence. He isn't as foul prone as Ronny and will even block shots from time to time.