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 Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:22 am Post subject: If Kobe Is Traded, Do We Blow It Up? |
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Lets say Kobe gets traded for a a young star and lots of young talent with picks. What do we do with the likes of Odom and others, do we trade them too for even more young talent and pretty much put all our efforts into the future? Personally I think it depends on the star player we get back for Kobe- if the player is a Gilbert Arenas or Joe Johnson type than we should try to keep winning for now, but if we get a Deng type player I feel that we should just clean house and prepare to become a serious contender in 2 or 3 years. What do you guys think?
And lets say that the teams on the short list of possible Kobe destinations are:
Phoenix
Dallas
Houston
Denver
New York
New Jersey
Chicago
Atlanta
Washington
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Al-Mbarak8
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I say we should , if we couldn't win with kobe , i dont think we will with Gilbert , or anyone else , for the time being..
Wherever we trade kobe , we should trade dfish with him to get rid of he's contract , since we're gonna be rebuilding..
Keep kwame,Cook,Sasha and mo (expiring K) , or maybe trade some of them for picks..
Try and do a Lamar/Cook for marion/Pick swap , since he will opt out either ways in the end of this year , would be better then odom ( 2 years left)
If they wanna add Kwame for Banks/Atlanta pick (very hard) i would go with it..
Try and trade Luke and vlad for young talents..
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I'm all for anything, at this point.
I just want to watch a Lakers team that I believe in.
They don't necessarily have to win/contend for the championship this year - but as long as the team:
- Plays HARD each and every game
- Plays with HEART and passion and Laker pride
- Plays as a TEAM
- Plays DEFENSE
They don't need to be a contender RIGHT NOW, but as long as there is progress.
The JOURNEY is the reward - not the ring.
As long as we see this team grow and develop. A team we fans can believe in. Exciting times. Highs and lows. Watch them make their mistakes and watch them exceed expectations. Watch them take their lumps and watch them take down giants.
That's the kind of drama I want out of the Lakers.
I'd want to see JC and Drew develop together.
I'd like to see LO doing his "coast-to-coast" thing.
I want to see Ronny go wild.
But really, I don't care who's on this team, as long it's a team we fans can believe in again.
A team with honesty and heart.
As a life-time Lakers fan, I can root for that.
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Al-Mbarak8
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I dont think atlanta or denver are a possible destinations for him..
Atlanta = Too many ownership problems , and won't be contenders without smith,assuming we will get him back via trade..
Denver = I dont see kobe's girls going to school in colorado , it will be hard for them assuming they'll move there..
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ShowtimeDynasty_24/7
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| B_P wrote: | I'm all for anything, at this point.
I just want to watch a Lakers team that I believe in.
They don't necessarily have to win/contend for the championship this year - but as long as the team:
- Plays HARD each and every game
- Plays with HEART and passion and Laker pride
- Plays as a TEAM
- Plays DEFENSE
They don't need to be a contender RIGHT NOW, but as long as there is progress.
The JOURNEY is the reward - not the ring.
As long as we see this team grow and develop. A team we fans can believe in. Exciting times. Highs and lows. Watch them make their mistakes and watch them exceed expectations. Watch them take their lumps and watch them take down giants.
That's the kind of drama I want out of the Lakers.
I'd want to see JC and Drew develop together.
I'd like to see LO doing his "coast-to-coast" thing.
I want to see Ronny go wild.
But really, I don't care who's on this team, as long it's a team we fans can believe in again.
A team with honesty and heart.
As a life-time Lakers fan, I can root for that. |
I agree with all of that. And also may I add I want them to be fun to watch. Like the years before the '00-'02 Lakers Dynasty- those teams were competitive and fun to watch...
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| B_P wrote: | I just want to watch a Lakers team that I believe in.
As a life-time Lakers fan, I can root for that. |
Im with you..
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The nucleus of young players that we should keep if Kobe is traded need to be:
Luke Walton
Javaris Crittenton
Ronny Turiaf
Andrew Bynum
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| ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | | B_P wrote: | I'm all for anything, at this point.
I just want to watch a Lakers team that I believe in.
They don't necessarily have to win/contend for the championship this year - but as long as the team:
- Plays HARD each and every game
- Plays with HEART and passion and Laker pride
- Plays as a TEAM
- Plays DEFENSE
They don't need to be a contender RIGHT NOW, but as long as there is progress.
The JOURNEY is the reward - not the ring.
As long as we see this team grow and develop. A team we fans can believe in. Exciting times. Highs and lows. Watch them make their mistakes and watch them exceed expectations. Watch them take their lumps and watch them take down giants.
That's the kind of drama I want out of the Lakers.
I'd want to see JC and Drew develop together.
I'd like to see LO doing his "coast-to-coast" thing.
I want to see Ronny go wild.
But really, I don't care who's on this team, as long it's a team we fans can believe in again.
A team with honesty and heart.
As a life-time Lakers fan, I can root for that. |
I agree with all of that. And also may I add I want them to be fun to watch. Like the years before the '00-'02 Lakers Dynasty- those teams were competitive and fun to watch... |
I think that if Kobe is traded, the only fun we will have is watching a young team grow. Which would be fine by me. There is no way it will be in the way of watching a Dynasty type team. Not for a while anyways. |
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hi_ma
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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if you trade kobe you are blowing it up
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| swcom120 wrote: | | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | | B_P wrote: | I'm all for anything, at this point.
I just want to watch a Lakers team that I believe in.
They don't necessarily have to win/contend for the championship this year - but as long as the team:
- Plays HARD each and every game
- Plays with HEART and passion and Laker pride
- Plays as a TEAM
- Plays DEFENSE
They don't need to be a contender RIGHT NOW, but as long as there is progress.
The JOURNEY is the reward - not the ring.
As long as we see this team grow and develop. A team we fans can believe in. Exciting times. Highs and lows. Watch them make their mistakes and watch them exceed expectations. Watch them take their lumps and watch them take down giants.
That's the kind of drama I want out of the Lakers.
I'd want to see JC and Drew develop together.
I'd like to see LO doing his "coast-to-coast" thing.
I want to see Ronny go wild.
But really, I don't care who's on this team, as long it's a team we fans can believe in again.
A team with honesty and heart.
As a life-time Lakers fan, I can root for that. |
I agree with all of that. And also may I add I want them to be fun to watch. Like the years before the '00-'02 Lakers Dynasty- those teams were competitive and fun to watch... |
I think that if Kobe is traded, the only fun we will have is watching a young team grow. Which would be fine by me. There is no way it will be in the way of watching a Dynasty type team. Not for a while anyways. |
No not the dynasty team- the years before, when we were developing...
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^ I think he meant the years before ( 98 -99 ) when Shaq - Kobe were developing ..
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| ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: |
I agree with all of that. And also may I add I want them to be fun to watch. Like the years before the '00-'02 Lakers Dynasty- those teams were competitive and fun to watch... |
Totally!
JC, LO, Drew, Ronny... and whoever we get - I want exciting young, skilled athletes.
And we need an exciting wing to pair up with Critterton.
A Gerlald Wallace.
An Iguodala
A Durrant
A Joe Johnson
Someone!
Long, tough, passionate, skilled and exciting!
A vet big too.
Man, if we could just get Deng, Sefolosha, PJ Brown, Noah and some picks for KB, Cook and Kwame, I'd be happy with that.
Then we can go after Elton Brand this summer!!
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hi_ma
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| B_P wrote: | | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: |
I agree with all of that. And also may I add I want them to be fun to watch. Like the years before the '00-'02 Lakers Dynasty- those teams were competitive and fun to watch... |
Totally!
JC, LO, Drew, Ronny... and whoever we get - I want exciting young, skilled athletes.
An exciting wing to pair up with Critterton.
A Gerlald Wallace.
An Iguodala
A Durrant
A Joe Johnson
Someone!
Long, tough, passionate, skilled and exciting! |
I would welcome any of those guy Prefer others but Iggy would be filthy
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| B_P wrote: | | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: |
I agree with all of that. And also may I add I want them to be fun to watch. Like the years before the '00-'02 Lakers Dynasty- those teams were competitive and fun to watch... |
Totally!
JC, LO, Drew, Ronny... and whoever we get - I want exciting young, skilled athletes.
An exciting wing to pair up with Critterton.
A Gerlald Wallace.
An Iguodala
A Durrant
A Joe Johnson
Someone!
Long, tough, passionate, skilled and exciting! |
yeah, to bad AI isn't in philly anymore becuase if we paired him with kobe we might have been able to get iggy.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| You have to rebuild for the future. No matter what we get in return for Kobe the Lakers will not be as good as they would have been with Kobe this year so you have to rebuild. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| kaoss128 wrote: | | You have to rebuild for the future. No matter what we get in return for Kobe the Lakers will not be as good as they would have been with Kobe this year so you have to rebuild. |
i disagree. there are trades that get us younger and make us a better team.
we wont have that game changer but we can do things. Think of the teams that give the big dogs out west problems.
young/long/Scrappy/Defensive teams
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another worry is will Phil Jackson stay along to develop a young but talented team without Kobe if we do blow it up..
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| ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | | another worry is will Phil Jackson stay along to develop a young but talented team without Kobe if we do blow it up.. |
Phil Jackson isn't the right coach for a young, developing squad.
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| ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | | another worry is will Phil Jackson stay along to develop a young but talented team without Kobe if we do blow it up.. |
do you want him to. PJ's fate is not tied to Kobe. not even remotley. When we got bounced it was all over the mason and ireland show that he was jockeying for position in the Org. he has also come out and said he likes this team. I think he goes upstairs and hires Shaw before he leaves
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| Bring in Heinrich and Deng and I say bye bye Kobe. |
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| hi_ma wrote: | | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | | another worry is will Phil Jackson stay along to develop a young but talented team without Kobe if we do blow it up.. |
do you want him to. PJ's fate is not tied to Kobe. not even remotley. When we got bounced it was all over the mason and ireland show that he was jockeying for position in the Org. he has also come out and said he likes this team. I think he goes upstairs and hires Shaw before he leaves |
Shaw would actually be the perfect coach for a young, talented, and developoing team...
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| ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | | hi_ma wrote: | | ShowtimeDynasty_24/7 wrote: | | another worry is will Phil Jackson stay along to develop a young but talented team without Kobe if we do blow it up.. |
do you want him to. PJ's fate is not tied to Kobe. not even remotley. When we got bounced it was all over the mason and ireland show that he was jockeying for position in the Org. he has also come out and said he likes this team. I think he goes upstairs and hires Shaw before he leaves |
Shaw would actually be the perfect coach for a young, talented, and developoing team... |
I prefer coop. he has won championships wherever he has coached. He is a D first guy. Shaw would be good as well because of his closeness to the game.
If you are getting beat he will know why
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| guillermo0130 wrote: | | Bring in Heinrich and Deng and I say bye bye Kobe. |
Those are Chicago's 2 most valuable players. No way they'd give away both of them for Kobe. They wouldn't even give up Deng for Gasol when an inside presence is their biggest need. Gordon is looking for a ridiculous 70 million dollar contract, so they'd be more likely to trade him then Heinrich. |
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| Ziggy wrote: | | guillermo0130 wrote: | | Bring in Heinrich and Deng and I say bye bye Kobe. |
Those are Chicago's 2 most valuable players. No way they'd give away both of them for Kobe. They wouldn't even give up Deng for Gasol when an inside presence is their biggest need. Gordon is looking for a ridiculous 70 million dollar contract, so they'd be more likely to trade him then Heinrich. |
I don't think they will either, but if the Lakers trade with the Bulls, the Lakers must get Deng. The problem I had with the Shaq trade is that they didn't get Wade. Granted, Shaq was beginning to decline, so perhaps (as reported) Riley wouldn't part with Wade. Kobe is in his prime. No way I trade Kobe unless I receive the Deng and (fill in the names). |
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Blowing-it-up for what? Who do you think we would be able to brig back? How would we get better by blowing it up? This league is not the one when West was mastering the blowing-it-up to get Shaq. So many salary rules that greatly limit each team's ability to work around with their roster. Everyone wants to send their Brian Grant's for Shaq's. No one have really bring back a better team by blowing it up the old team.
No blowing up please, Lakers! |
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