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 Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: Kobe will NOT be traded - this is a smokescreen intended to give us leverage in Bynum trades |
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Simply put, this smokescreen reverses any damage done by Kobe's earlier trade demands - now Indiana (or any other possible Bynum trade partners) cannot hold out threatening that if we don't make a trade with them (lopsided in their favor), then we will lose Kobe. Buss and Co. can now reply to Indy, we are actually looking into that... and by announcing it in the papers as Buss did, it makes his bluff look that much more realistic. I think Kobe is in on it, and PJ as well.
I expect a big announcement soon, only it will be about a trade involving guys like Brown, Bynum, and any other guys besides Kobe.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:05 am Post subject: |
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All this does is make the Lakers look even more willing to dump Bynum to try and keep Kobe.
Saying you would consider trading Kobe is not the same as being looking to move him.
Buss said himself their desire was to try and win and keep Kobe interested but that if that didn't happen they would regretably look at alternatives.
Nope. This doesn't INCREASE leverage for ANY player on the Lakers roster. Just the opposite. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Kobe will NOT be traded - this is a smokescreen intended to give us leverage in Bynum trades |
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| G_DawgLA wrote: | Simply put, this smokescreen reverses any damage done by Kobe's earlier trade demands - now Indiana (or any other possible Bynum trade partners) cannot hold out threatening that if we don't make a trade with them (lopsided in their favor), then we will lose Kobe. Buss and Co. can now reply to Indy, we are actually looking into that... and by announcing it in the papers as Buss did, it makes his bluff look that much more realistic. I think Kobe is in on it, and PJ as well.
I expect a big announcement soon, only it will be about a trade involving guys like Brown, Bynum, and any other guys besides Kobe. |
is this your opinion or do you have some inside information? |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:29 am Post subject: |
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doesn't entirely make much sense.
"we're trading kobe but we still want to trade away our youth for JO" |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: |
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I would laugh so hard if this whole trade trade talk of kobe including his tirades was something concocted by phil, kobe, and buss. it would be the funniest thing ever.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Kobe will NOT be traded - this is a smokescreen intended to give us leverage in Bynum trades |
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| G_DawgLA wrote: | Simply put, this smokescreen reverses any damage done by Kobe's earlier trade demands - now Indiana (or any other possible Bynum trade partners) cannot hold out threatening that if we don't make a trade with them (lopsided in their favor), then we will lose Kobe. Buss and Co. can now reply to Indy, we are actually looking into that... and by announcing it in the papers as Buss did, it makes his bluff look that much more realistic. I think Kobe is in on it, and PJ as well.
I expect a big announcement soon, only it will be about a trade involving guys like Brown, Bynum, and any other guys besides Kobe. |
not true- why you ask- because Kobe demanding to be traded puts the Lakers in a position where other teams see that the Lakers need to make a big move and fast, this means teams would raise trade values because they know the Lakers are desperate- why do you think we have had a hard time getting the O'neals, Garnetts, Marions, and Artests?
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| DaMuleRules wrote: | All this does is make the Lakers look even more willing to dump Bynum to try and keep Kobe.
Saying you would consider trading Kobe is not the same as being looking to move him.
Buss said himself their desire was to try and win and keep Kobe interested but that if that didn't happen they would regretably look at alternatives.
Nope.This doesn't INCREASE leverage for ANY player on the Lakers roster. Just the opposite. |
Exactly.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Kobe will NOT be traded - this is a smokescreen intended to give us leverage in Bynum trades |
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is this your opinion or do you have some inside information? |
Call it a hunch, but I don't think it's too far-fetched.
Let me restate it for those who had trouble following the logic: the Kobe trade demand was not orchestrated, but the recent Buss comments were intended to give us leverage. Allow me to show step by step:
1) Kobe demands trade unless we acquire established talent; Buss responds we will get him help and build around him
--Other teams respond by holding out for an unfair amount of our young talent knowing our backs are against the wall if we want to keep Kobe
2)Buss makes new statement: we will look into trading Kobe
--Other teams can no longer hold out on deals not involving Kobe, such as Kwame/Bynum for J'O'neal (they have been holding out to get Odom in the deal too). We can tell them great, you don't want to do that deal (which helps rid them of a problem as well) then we will do business elsewhere even if that means trading Kobe for even younger talent than what we have (of course, this is the part I feel is a smokescreen - NFW they trade Kobe for reasons already discussed earlier this summer).
::::Hopefully causing Indy/other teams to agree to "fair" deals, making us a better team and Kobe a happy camper.
I hope that helps.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Kobe will NOT be traded - this is a smokescreen intended to give us leverage in Bynum trades |
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| G_DawgLA wrote: | | clutchkobe wrote: |
is this your opinion or do you have some inside information? |
Call it a hunch, but I don't think it's too far-fetched.
Let me restate it for those who had trouble following the logic: the Kobe trade demand was not orchestrated, but the recent Buss comments were intended to give us leverage. Allow me to show step by step:
1) Kobe demands trade unless we acquire established talent; Buss responds we will get him help and build around him
--Other teams respond by holding out for an unfair amount of our young talent knowing our backs are against the wall if we want to keep Kobe
2)Buss makes new statement: we will look into trading Kobe
--Other teams can no longer hold out on deals not involving Kobe, such as Kwame/Bynum for J'O'neal (they have been holding out to get Odom in the deal too). We can tell them great, you don't want to do that deal (which helps get rid them of a problem as well) then we will do business elsewhere even if that means trading Kobe for even younger talent than what we have (of course, this is the part I feel is a smokescreen - NFW they trade Kobe for reasons already discussed earlier this summer).
I hope that helps. |
What is the source of your clairvoyance and perspicacity that makes it worth anyone's time reading this? |
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I think it's the OPPOSITE, but we're entitled to our own opinions  |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:38 pm Post subject: Re: Kobe will NOT be traded - this is a smokescreen intended to give us leverage in Bynum trades |
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| shnjb wrote: |
What is the source of your clairvoyance and perspicacity that makes it worth anyone's time reading this? |
Give me the source of the dictionary website you use and I'll give you mine. :roll: 
I am not proclaiming to be a psychic but you don't have to be to make a prediction. Prediction making just involves an interpretation of a series of events. That and a little thinking outside of the box...or would you prefer to see another post about how Kobe is a goner like the other 90% or so of the topics on the first page? Which by the way, are predictions too. Perhaps you should ask them what the source of their clairvoyance and perspicacity that makes their posts worthwhile.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Kobe will NOT be traded - this is a smokescreen intended to give us leverage in Bynum trades |
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| G_DawgLA wrote: | | shnjb wrote: |
What is the source of your clairvoyance and perspicacity that makes it worth anyone's time reading this? |
Give me the source of the dictionary website you use and I'll give you mine. :roll:
I am not proclaiming to be a psychic but you don't have to be to make a prediction. Prediction making just involves an interpretation of a series of events. It always works for me. That and a little thinking outside of the box...or would you prefer me to make a post about how Kobe is a goner like the other 90% or so of the topics on the first page? |
I always find it amusing when people do this.
Is it my fault that you are not well-read and didn't do well on the SAT? |
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I respect your opinion but i think it's far fetched. This actually hurts our leverage and secondly no way they Deal Bynum after all the work he put in.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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On the contrary, a good writer does not need to flash his vocabulary in order to get his point across. The two most important characteristics of good writing are conciseness and clarity. I believe I learned that my freshman year at UCLA.
For example, let's examine your pompous statement.
"What is the source of your clairvoyance and perspicacity that makes it worth anyone's time reading this?" 17 words A real mouthful.
Could be written: "Your speculation is worthless without a source." 6 words
Approx. 1/3 of the junk AND 3X as clear.
Your vocabulary proves nothing. Sure you could be a well-rounded lad with an amazing vocabulary -- or you may just know how to use a dictionary/thesaurus. My money is on the latter.
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| G_DawgLA wrote: | On the contrary, a good writer does not need to flash his vocabulary in order to get his point across. The two most important characteristics of good writing are the conciseness and clarity. I believe I learned that my freshman year at UCLA.
For example, let's examine your pompous statement.
"What is the source of your clairvoyance and perspicacity that makes it worth anyone's time reading this?" 17 words A real moutful.
Could be written: "Your speculation is worthless without a source." 6 words
Approx. 1/3 of the junk AND 3X as clear.
Your vocabulary proves nothing. Sure you could be a well-rounded lad with an amazing vocabulary -- or you may just know how to use a dictionary. My money is on the latter. |
Thanks for your opinion on writing, although if you think that the only way someone knows of those high-school words is if he looked them up in a thesaurus, I'm not sure that you should be giving people tips on writing.
And if UCLA education was worth anything, I'd think that they would let people develop their own style.
Not everyone writes the same way.
You may have been told to comply to guidelines as a freshman, but those of us who go on to upper division classes and graduate school are not given such worthless advices. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| shnjb wrote: |
Is it my fault that you are not well-read and didn't do well on the SAT? |
Wow, how presumptous are you? I comprehended your question but your use of both "clairvoyance and perspicacity" was over the top.
You're a real crowd pleaser. Just use one of the above please, and stop flashing your vocab like some coed showing her (bleep) on a cruiseboat. No one is impressed.
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| G_DawgLA wrote: | | shnjb wrote: |
Is it my fault that you are not well-read and didn't do well on the SAT? |
Wow, how presumptous are you? I comprehended your question but your use of both "clairvoyance and perspicacity" was over the top.
You're a real crowd pleaser. Just use one of the above please, and stop flashing your vocab like some coed showing her (bleep) on a cruiseboat. No one is impressed. |
Are you a word police now?
I shall use whatever words I please.
Well, I'll start sticking to 5th grade words if you promise not to make threads based on worthless conjecture. |
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It has nothing to do with one particular word, it's the phrasing. I would repeat myself but I'm sure you will learn about it in one of your Grad school classes.
At least my original conjecture adds to a discussion. If you want a news story go on the AP website. This is a message board where fans are free to discuss topics about the Lakers, a lot of which is conjecture. So I guess by your standards this board is mostly meaningless. Why are you participating?
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: Re: Kobe will NOT be traded - this is a smokescreen intended to give us leverage in Bynum trades |
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| G_DawgLA wrote: | Simply put, this smokescreen reverses any damage done by Kobe's earlier trade demands - now Indiana (or any other possible Bynum trade partners) cannot hold out threatening that if we don't make a trade with them (lopsided in their favor), then we will lose Kobe. Buss and Co. can now reply to Indy, we are actually looking into that... and by announcing it in the papers as Buss did, it makes his bluff look that much more realistic. I think Kobe is in on it, and PJ as well.
I expect a big announcement soon, only it will be about a trade involving guys like Brown, Bynum, and any other guys besides Kobe. |
Personally, I doubt there is a hidden agenda here. A reporter simply asked if Kobe was untouchable, and Buss simply said no one is untouchable.
My guess is this will die down fairly soon and the Lakers won't be making a trade in the near future. |
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| I would think that there are more important things to learn at graduate school. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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hahaha.... this thread is funny.
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| G_DawgLA wrote: |
For example, let's examine your pompous statement.
"What is the source of your clairvoyance and perspicacity that makes it worth anyone's time reading this?" 17 words A real mouthful.
Could be written: "Your speculation is worthless without a source." 6 words . |
Yup, your version is clearer but also a little boring. I like the first one betterm though it would be better without "and perspicacity" |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| activeverb wrote: | | G_DawgLA wrote: |
For example, let's examine your pompous statement.
"What is the source of your clairvoyance and perspicacity that makes it worth anyone's time reading this?" 17 words A real mouthful.
Could be written: "Your speculation is worthless without a source." 6 words . |
Yup, your version is clearer but also a little boring. I like the first one betterm though it would be better without "and perspicacity" |
Exactly, that's what set me off.
I was just giving a basic example, and only after he insulted my intelligence.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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| shnjb wrote: |
You may have been told to comply to guidelines as a freshman, but those of us who go on to upper division classes and graduate school are not given such worthless advices. |
| shnjb wrote: | | I would think that there are more important things to learn at graduate school. |
First you implied you were a grad school student (or at least at one time), but in the second post your use of "would" implies you are not (or never were), which WOULD agree with my inferences from reading your posts.
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