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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:25 am    Post subject:

Hector the Pup wrote:
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ok - a more balanced deal:


kobe, odom, farmar, mihm, mo, 2nd
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arenas, jamison, blatche, young, mason(filler), 1st


So you think Kobe's going to want to play in DC with almost the same team he has in LA?


Lebron got to the finals with even less than Kobe had in LA.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject:

Pop wrote:
Hector the Pup wrote:
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ok - a more balanced deal:


kobe, odom, farmar, mihm, mo, 2nd
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arenas, jamison, blatche, young, mason(filler), 1st


So you think Kobe's going to want to play in DC with almost the same team he has in LA?


Lebron got to the finals with even less than Kobe had in LA.


Lebron didnt have to deal with the nasty 3 some of Garrnet/Pierce/Allen.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:26 am    Post subject:

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The thing is, even Arenas isn't good value. He's a decent seat filler, but he's not going to get the Lakers any closer to winning a championship, which should be the primary and sole focus of the FO at all times.

With Arenas instead of Kobe, first round exits (if they can even make the playoffs, which is far from a given) over and over and over again. Maybe 14th pick sprinkled in here and there.


The reason for getting Arenas is to put people in the seats also because hes a GREAT player something we won't get out of in any Kobe deal.

If Deng + Gordon is on the table then I would do that but it isn't and it won't be the Bulls are throwing us a bad bone of Gordon/Tyrus/Filler/pick.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject:

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Washington has nothing I would want for Kobe.


Who do you prefer? the garbage offer Bulls are throwing at us? the ever lasting Dallas horrible deal of Josh/Terry?

no one is gonna bring CLOSE to value as Gilbert would... the Bulls are still the best destination if their is a Kobe trade but the Bulls don't want to give up anything.


None of the above. I prefer to keep Kobe.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:30 am    Post subject:

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i'm not so high on arenas, basically he's a poor man's kobe without the defense. arenas is a gunner, a scorer plain and simple, he doesn't make teammates better, bad chemistry guy(see him with jamison feuding last year). i'd pick deng plus extra over arenas anyday. unless you're the buss family, arenas sure will fill the star power left by kobe but our team's current and future will not improve much by swapping arenas for kobe.


Gilbert Arenas is a superstar no matter what his game is like. Deng + garbage is not gonna make us any better for now or for the future. what you're forgetting is that Arenas is 25 so he will have plenty of time to grow with Andrew.


I am not sure that Arenas knows how to play with a big man. I am not sure if it is Washington's philosophy to ignore the post, or if it is a manifestation of the perimeter players. Either way, tying that kind of money up in one player again isn't attractive.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:31 am    Post subject:

Panthas wrote:
Pop wrote:
Hector the Pup wrote:
davidse wrote:
ok - a more balanced deal:


kobe, odom, farmar, mihm, mo, 2nd
for
arenas, jamison, blatche, young, mason(filler), 1st


So you think Kobe's going to want to play in DC with almost the same team he has in LA?


Lebron got to the finals with even less than Kobe had in LA.


Lebron didnt have to deal with the nasty 3 some of Garrnet/Pierce/Allen.


and all their world championships, right?

he dealt with the nasty foursome of billups hamilton prince and wallace, and we know how the ol kobester destroys them every time he plays them right :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject:

I have to believe Kobe has lifted his no trade internally. If not the wiz wouldnt even be a whisper
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject:

Panthas wrote:
Pop wrote:
Hector the Pup wrote:
davidse wrote:
ok - a more balanced deal:


kobe, odom, farmar, mihm, mo, 2nd
for
arenas, jamison, blatche, young, mason(filler), 1st


So you think Kobe's going to want to play in DC with almost the same team he has in LA?


Lebron got to the finals with even less than Kobe had in LA.


Lebron didnt have to deal with the nasty 3 some of Garrnet/Pierce/Allen.


I just don't see them as that fearsome. I think Jamison, Caron and Kobe could get past them with the right coaching.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject:

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None of the above. I prefer to keep Kobe.


How do you suggest we keep Kobe when he doesn't want to be here? its only gonna make the drama worse and I don't want to witness drama anymore its becoming a tradition and I don't like it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:33 am    Post subject:

You keep Kobe by not trading him.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:35 am    Post subject:

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You keep Kobe by not trading him.


Yeah and make the drama more worse? look I want this whole marriage to work out but it seems like a moot point.

when you can't fix something don't break it this is the same story.... if you keep Kobe it only does more damage then good.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:36 am    Post subject:

lalfan wrote:
i'm not so high on arenas, basically he's a poor man's kobe without the defense. arenas is a gunner, a scorer plain and simple, he doesn't make teammates better, bad chemistry guy(see him with jamison feuding last year).


You do realize that you've basically made the same argument people have against Kobe, right?

"I'm not so high on Kobe, basically he's a poor man's Jordan without the rings. Kobe is a gunner, a scorer plain and simple, he doesn't make his teammates better, bad chemistry (See him with Shaq and the FO feuding)"

Not saying I agree or disagree, just pointing out the irony...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:37 am    Post subject:

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Washington has nothing I would want for Kobe.


Who do you prefer? the garbage offer Bulls are throwing at us? the ever lasting Dallas horrible deal of Josh/Terry?

no one is gonna bring CLOSE to value as Gilbert would... the Bulls are still the best destination if their is a Kobe trade but the Bulls don't want to give up anything.


None of the above. I prefer to keep Kobe.
Me too.. but Kobe doesn't want to be here... so where does that leave the Lakers...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:37 am    Post subject:

The Lakers have little to gain by trading Kobe, and lots to lose by doing so. Their best bet is to develop the young players and for them to show that they can be a good team in the future.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:40 am    Post subject:

hi_ma wrote:
I have to believe Kobe has lifted his no trade internally. If not the wiz wouldnt even be a whisper


It could be because it was a false leak put out there by the Lakers F.O. to "motivate" Paxon to up his offer. Of course that would mean our F.O. make a strategic move, so it probably couldn't go down that way.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:41 am    Post subject:

Pop wrote:
Hector the Pup wrote:
davidse wrote:
ok - a more balanced deal:


kobe, odom, farmar, mihm, mo, 2nd
for
arenas, jamison, blatche, young, mason(filler), 1st


So you think Kobe's going to want to play in DC with almost the same team he has in LA?


Lebron got to the finals with even less than Kobe had in LA.


And what happened once he got there?

Besides, it was the easiest run to the finals any team has ever had.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:41 am    Post subject:

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I have to believe Kobe has lifted his no trade internally. If not the wiz wouldnt even be a whisper
Any rumor involving the trading of Kobe is going to grow legs, whether deserving or not, whether credible or not, whether lucicrous or not. Noise surrounding a Kobe trade rumor is no indication of ... anything, really.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:42 am    Post subject:

Ummm... no offense to anyone here, but I will bet anyone (seriously) $500 dollars that Kobe isn't going to Washington.

The Lakers have probably spoken to over 10 teams in the past few weeks about Kobe. But Kobe absolutely does not want to play in D.C.

Kobe is very aware about his legacy and playing for a franchise with history. Furthermore, he can't win with Caron and Antawn Jamison.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:43 am    Post subject:

TACH wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
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Washington has nothing I would want for Kobe.


Who do you prefer? the garbage offer Bulls are throwing at us? the ever lasting Dallas horrible deal of Josh/Terry?

no one is gonna bring CLOSE to value as Gilbert would... the Bulls are still the best destination if their is a Kobe trade but the Bulls don't want to give up anything.


None of the above. I prefer to keep Kobe.
Me too.. but Kobe doesn't want to be here... so where does that leave the Lakers...
At this point, I'm not so sure that Kobe knows what Kobe wants, or where he does or doesn't want to be.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers have little to gain by trading Kobe, and lots to lose by doing so. Their best bet is to develop the young players and for them to show that they can be a good team in the future.


You do realize the reason Kobe is vomiting is because of the "future" rather then "NOW"? sounds like you want to keep Kobe even though you admit we will be good in the future but not now how does that make sense?
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venturalakersfan wrote:
KOBE 2.0 wrote:
venturalakersfan wrote:
Washington has nothing I would want for Kobe.


Who do you prefer? the garbage offer Bulls are throwing at us? the ever lasting Dallas horrible deal of Josh/Terry?

no one is gonna bring CLOSE to value as Gilbert would... the Bulls are still the best destination if their is a Kobe trade but the Bulls don't want to give up anything.


None of the above. I prefer to keep Kobe.
Me too.. but Kobe doesn't want to be here... so where does that leave the Lakers...
At this point, I'm not so sure that Kobe knows what Kobe wants, or where he does or doesn't want to be.


Kobe has not rescinded his request. If he wants too, he could end all this now... he hasn't because he doesn't want to be here...
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject:

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The Lakers have little to gain by trading Kobe, and lots to lose by doing so. Their best bet is to develop the young players and for them to show that they can be a good team in the future.


You do realize the reason Kobe is vomiting is because of the "future" rather then "NOW"? sounds like you want to keep Kobe even though you admit we will be good in the future but not now how does that make sense?


We will be a better team in the future with Kobe than without him.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:58 am    Post subject:

re4ee wrote:
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venturalakersfan wrote:
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Washington has nothing I would want for Kobe.


Who do you prefer? the garbage offer Bulls are throwing at us? the ever lasting Dallas horrible deal of Josh/Terry?

no one is gonna bring CLOSE to value as Gilbert would... the Bulls are still the best destination if their is a Kobe trade but the Bulls don't want to give up anything.


None of the above. I prefer to keep Kobe.
Me too.. but Kobe doesn't want to be here... so where does that leave the Lakers...
At this point, I'm not so sure that Kobe knows what Kobe wants, or where he does or doesn't want to be.


Actually, I think the only thing anyone and everyone knows for sure right now, is that Kobe does not want to be a Laker anymore.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:58 am    Post subject:

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We will be a better team in the future with Kobe than without him.


But Kobe is not gonna be with us in the future theirs no chance.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject:

That is up to Kobe. Unfortunately, he is famous for making poor decisions.
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