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KobeDunk Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Will someone tell Jim Buss to make this trade happen. MJ played for WAS. Kobe would welcome this trade. Jameson and Butler looks nicer then Odom and Bynum right now. Kobe's in the East avg 35pt a game, lovin' life. |
ya and getting spanked out of the playoffs by the likes of Detroit, Cleveland and Boston. Hell maybe even have to face his old pal Shaq and Flash for a fun 7 game series. |
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Omar Little Moderator
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Haywood would have Kobe appreciating Bynum very quickly? _________________ “We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.” ― Elie Wiesel |
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B_P Star Player
Joined: 28 May 2003 Posts: 8598 Location: (physically) West Seattle (heart) Venice Beach
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Chi - Kobe/Cook
LAL - Arenas/Blatche
Wash - Gordon, Thomas, PJ Brown, Adrian Griffin, Kryapa (or whoever else the Bulls want to include) _________________ Everything. Changes. |
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Laker7 Star Player
Joined: 24 Feb 2003 Posts: 6389 Location: Past left field
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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davidse wrote: | Laker7 wrote: | davidse wrote: | ok - a more balanced deal:
kobe, odom, farmar, mihm, mo, 2nd
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arenas, jamison, blatche, young, mason(filler), 1st |
Mihm cannot be traded. Signed a one year deal. Under CBA, cannot sign for one year then be traded.
Blatche (whom I absolutley would love to have on the team) is BYC. Will be difficult to work that one. |
mihm signed a 2 year deal and can be traded dec. 15.
month and a half from now.
won't be a problem.
neither will blatche's byc. too much salary involved. his 3 million or so - byc - will be almost a none issue for a 40 mil $ deal. |
Tried to use BSPN trade machine and it will not let me use Mihm in a trade. Contract years are 1. I do not understand why. _________________ Keep winning! |
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hi_ma Star Player
Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 7952 Location: watching Kobe /Pau duo.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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does Blatch even have game? _________________
The lakers will get prince. |
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dcarter4kobe Franchise Player
Joined: 30 Jul 2005 Posts: 17646
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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hi_ma wrote: | does Blatch even have game? |
right now he has shown flashes but he is all the P word for now....many peope think he is a star in the makeing _________________ "He's a Zen master, so he can speak to you, and he doesn't need a microphone; you can hear him in your head, 'Ron, don't shoot, don't shoot.' Whatever, pow, three. I love the Zen, though." |
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LA_Lakers_Rule Franchise Player
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 19482 Location: The X-Files
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Texas_Pete wrote: | ^My thing with Deng is he is talented, but is he better than LO? We would then have LO, Deng, and Walton at the 3. I don't want to see LO at the 4 again cause he will get hurt. |
I've read that some on this board say that Deng does not have the lateral movement to play the two but I do know that the Bulls have tried him there.
If Deng could be successful at the two he just slides right into Kobe's spot.
PF Turiaf
SF Odom
C Drew
SG Deng
PG Farmar
I know one thing Deng is a very good defensive player and so he might be able to handle the 2 position reasonably well and with Deng at 6-8 the Lakers would have the tallest starting 5 in the league for certain with 4 players between 6-8 and 7-1½. _________________ Rule = win titles
Good judgment comes from experience and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. - Will Rogers ... |
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LA_Lakers_Rule Franchise Player
Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 19482 Location: The X-Files
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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KOBE 2.0 wrote: | lalfan wrote: | i'm not so high on arenas, basically he's a poor man's kobe without the defense. arenas is a gunner, a scorer plain and simple, he doesn't make teammates better, bad chemistry guy(see him with jamison feuding last year). i'd pick deng plus extra over arenas anyday. unless you're the buss family, arenas sure will fill the star power left by kobe but our team's current and future will not improve much by swapping arenas for kobe. |
Gilbert Arenas is a superstar no matter what his game is like. Deng + garbage is not gonna make us any better for now or for the future. what you're forgetting is that Arenas is 25 so he will have plenty of time to grow with Andrew. |
Okay so Arenas is 25.
Andrew is 20 and Deng is 21.
Deng is a better defender than Arenas and Deng will be consistently averaging between 22-26 ppg within 2 years when Deng will be 23 and Drew is 22 years of age.
Deng would be a better facilitator than Arenas as well thus help Drew develop better.
Why exactly is Deng garbage and Arenas the answer? _________________ Rule = win titles
Good judgment comes from experience and a lot of that comes from bad judgment. - Will Rogers ... |
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Socks Franchise Player
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 10761 Location: Bay Area, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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LA_Lakers_Rule wrote: | Texas_Pete wrote: | ^My thing with Deng is he is talented, but is he better than LO? We would then have LO, Deng, and Walton at the 3. I don't want to see LO at the 4 again cause he will get hurt. |
I've read that some on this board say that Deng does not have the lateral movement to play the two but I do know that the Bulls have tried him there.
If Deng could be successful at the two he just slides right into Kobe's spot.
PF Turiaf
SF Odom
C Drew
SG Deng
PG Farmar
I know one thing Deng is a very good defensive player and so he might be able to handle the 2 position reasonably well and with Deng at 6-8 the Lakers would have the tallest starting 5 in the league for certain with 4 players between 6-8 and 7-1½. |
I just don't see Deng as a 2. He's pretty much a natural SF. At about 6-9, he's too big to keep up with the quicker 2's defensively, and playing him there kinda mitigates his strength. If anything he's more of a 3/4 than a 2/3, but too skinny for the 4. He should be played mostly at the 3 with some time at the other positions as matchups dictate. |
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Socks Franchise Player
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 10761 Location: Bay Area, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Deng would be a better facilitator than Arenas as well thus help Drew develop better. |
I'd rather have Deng for a variety of implications, but Deng is no facilitator. He's almost a pure slasher and doesn't have the kind of court vision or mentality to be a facilitator. Not knocking him, just don't see that as a strength in his skill set. He's more of a scorer/rebounder type than a point-forward. |
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TNLakersFanInLA Star Player
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 9657 Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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LA_Lakers_Rule wrote: | Texas_Pete wrote: | ^My thing with Deng is he is talented, but is he better than LO? We would then have LO, Deng, and Walton at the 3. I don't want to see LO at the 4 again cause he will get hurt. |
I've read that some on this board say that Deng does not have the lateral movement to play the two but I do know that the Bulls have tried him there.
If Deng could be successful at the two he just slides right into Kobe's spot.
PF Turiaf
SF Odom
C Drew
SG Deng
PG Farmar
I know one thing Deng is a very good defensive player and so he might be able to handle the 2 position reasonably well and with Deng at 6-8 the Lakers would have the tallest starting 5 in the league for certain with 4 players between 6-8 and 7-1½. |
No way Deng plays the 2. _________________ Monta Ellis: "Kobe is #1, I'm #2, LeBron is #3." |
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hi_ma Star Player
Joined: 28 Jan 2007 Posts: 7952 Location: watching Kobe /Pau duo.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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riley compared deng to ceballos after last years play offs _________________
The lakers will get prince. |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
Joined: 25 Jul 2002 Posts: 35946 Location: L.A.
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Socks wrote: | Quote: | Deng would be a better facilitator than Arenas as well thus help Drew develop better. |
I'd rather have Deng for a variety of implications, but Deng is no facilitator. He's almost a pure slasher and doesn't have the kind of court vision or mentality to be a facilitator. Not knocking him, just don't see that as a strength in his skill set. He's more of a scorer/rebounder type than a point-forward. |
Doesn't matter.
If he somehow ends up on the Lakers, Phil will play him at the 1. |
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skin Star Player
Joined: 06 Feb 2007 Posts: 1594
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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vicman wrote: | i take arenas and blatche for sure if that is the offer. they are not kobe but i take it | Kobe might agree to that deal. He is good friends with Caron Butler. |
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Socks Franchise Player
Joined: 01 Feb 2006 Posts: 10761 Location: Bay Area, CA
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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hi_ma wrote: | riley compared deng to ceballos after last years play offs |
I don't see that as entirely accurate. Deng has more of an ability to dribble penetrate and create his own shot that way. He's a ton more athletic and actually plays good defense. The similarity is that he can score well without having a whole lot of plays called for him and he's a good (better) rebounder. |
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KOBEhastheMAGIC Star Player
Joined: 07 Jan 2006 Posts: 3917
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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B_P wrote: | Chi - Kobe/Cook
LAL - Arenas/Blatche
Wash - Gordon, Thomas, PJ Brown, Adrian Griffin, Kryapa (or whoever else the Bulls want to include) |
Oh yeah...I'm sure Washington oes for that.
Chicago gets the greatest player in the game
The Lakers get a top ten player and a young guy with lots of potential
Washingtion gets Ben Gordon and Tyrus Thomas
I'm sure Washington would cream themselves at the thought of this trade. _________________ Kobe Bryant has brought the Lakers three championships, 4 Finals, carried an absolutely pathetic team to the playoffs in a loaded Western Conference and has given us countless thrills and memories. If you are not a Kobe fan, then you are not a Laker fan. |
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davidse Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Laker7 wrote: | davidse wrote: | Laker7 wrote: | davidse wrote: | ok - a more balanced deal:
kobe, odom, farmar, mihm, mo, 2nd
for
arenas, jamison, blatche, young, mason(filler), 1st |
Mihm cannot be traded. Signed a one year deal. Under CBA, cannot sign for one year then be traded.
Blatche (whom I absolutley would love to have on the team) is BYC. Will be difficult to work that one. |
mihm signed a 2 year deal and can be traded dec. 15.
month and a half from now.
won't be a problem.
neither will blatche's byc. too much salary involved. his 3 million or so - byc - will be almost a none issue for a 40 mil $ deal. |
Tried to use BSPN trade machine and it will not let me use Mihm in a trade. Contract years are 1. I do not understand why. |
probably because mihm really can't be traded. YET...
and he has a 2nd year player option, so i'm not sure how the trade machine handles that - maybe they don't list player option years ?
regardless, if the money doesn't work - it's REAL close and can be resolved. using the trade machine won't tell you how close it is anyway, so i'ts better to just do the math imo. |
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Laker7 Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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davidse wrote: | Laker7 wrote: | davidse wrote: | Laker7 wrote: | davidse wrote: | ok - a more balanced deal:
kobe, odom, farmar, mihm, mo, 2nd
for
arenas, jamison, blatche, young, mason(filler), 1st |
Mihm cannot be traded. Signed a one year deal. Under CBA, cannot sign for one year then be traded.
Blatche (whom I absolutley would love to have on the team) is BYC. Will be difficult to work that one. |
mihm signed a 2 year deal and can be traded dec. 15.
month and a half from now.
won't be a problem.
neither will blatche's byc. too much salary involved. his 3 million or so - byc - will be almost a none issue for a 40 mil $ deal. |
Tried to use BSPN trade machine and it will not let me use Mihm in a trade. Contract years are 1. I do not understand why. |
probably because mihm really can't be traded. YET...
and he has a 2nd year player option, so i'm not sure how the trade machine handles that - maybe they don't list player option years ?
regardless, if the money doesn't work - it's REAL close and can be resolved. using the trade machine won't tell you how close it is anyway, so i'ts better to just do the math imo. |
Got more information. He is restricted until Dec 15th as you stated but (according to BSPN) his contract in only for 1 year with option year(s). Since the base contract is only for 1 year, he cannot be traded without his consent and he (Mihm) gives up his Bird rights if he agrees to be traded. _________________ Keep winning! |
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targetman Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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skin wrote: | vicman wrote: | i take arenas and blatche for sure if that is the offer. they are not kobe but i take it | Kobe might agree to that deal. He is good friends with Caron Butler. |
He's also good friends with Chucky Atkins but that doesn't mean he wants to play with him again. _________________ Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst. |
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Hector the Pup Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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skin wrote: | vicman wrote: | i take arenas and blatche for sure if that is the offer. they are not kobe but i take it | Kobe might agree to that deal. He is good friends with Caron Butler. |
Not good enough to go to a team that has no shot at winning a title just to play with him again. |
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vanexelent Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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targetman wrote: | skin wrote: | vicman wrote: | i take arenas and blatche for sure if that is the offer. they are not kobe but i take it | Kobe might agree to that deal. He is good friends with Caron Butler. |
He's also good friends with Chucky Atkins but that doesn't mean he wants to play with him again. |
He may. That would mean he'd be playing with Carmelo. |
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ForumBlueFrank Franchise Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | Rumors that the Washington Wizards were interested in trading Gilbert Arenas for disgruntled Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant made the rounds on the Internet, radio and television yesterday, but team president Ernie Grunfeld shot down the possible deal.
"I don't normally comment on rumors but there is no truth to this rumor," Grunfeld said when reached by phone last evening. "We've never had any conversations with the Lakers or with anyone else about Gilbert." |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/29/AR2007102902161.html |
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Ko8e8ryant Star Player
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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ForumBlueFrank wrote: | Quote: | Rumors that the Washington Wizards were interested in trading Gilbert Arenas for disgruntled Los Angeles Lakers star Kobe Bryant made the rounds on the Internet, radio and television yesterday, but team president Ernie Grunfeld shot down the possible deal.
"[b]I don't normally comment on rumors but there is no truth to this rumor," Grunfeld said when reached by phone last evening. "We've never had any conversations with the Lakers or with anyone else about Gilbert." [/b] |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/29/AR2007102902161.html |
So this is an abnormal situation?
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TACH Retired Number
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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lakers2626 wrote: | http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2381~1981~3028~3032~110~974&teams=13~27~13~13~4~13&te=&cash= | |
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