Does Chris Webber deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:21 pm Post subject: Does Chris Webber deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?
Why is it that Dwight Howard will likely be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame but Webber can't get in? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Does Chris Webber deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?
CandyCanes wrote:
Why is it that Dwight Howard will likely be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame but Webber can't get in?
I am indifferent to Webber as a HoFamer. If we made it, he wouldn't be the worst guy there at his position. But I don't think his absence from the Hall is a big deal. I wouldn't vote for him or Dwight.
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Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: Does Chris Webber deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?
activeverb wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Why is it that Dwight Howard will likely be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame but Webber can't get in?
I am indifferent to Webber as a HoFamer. If we made it, he wouldn't be the worst guy there at his position. But I don't think his absence from the Hall is a big deal. I wouldn't vote for him or Dwight.
Why do Tony Parker and Kevin Love probably get it but not Webber? _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: Does Chris Webber deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?
CandyCanes wrote:
activeverb wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
Why is it that Dwight Howard will likely be a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame but Webber can't get in?
I am indifferent to Webber as a HoFamer. If we made it, he wouldn't be the worst guy there at his position. But I don't think his absence from the Hall is a big deal. I wouldn't vote for him or Dwight.
Why do Tony Parker and Kevin Love probably get it but not Webber?
We've seen guys voted in 30 years after they're eligible, so there will never be a point where we can say for sure Webber won't get in. If he doesn't, it's probably because he had a checkered, scandal, mistake-ridden college career and never took a team to the finals. But that's just a guess -- hard to see why Hall of Famers voted make the decisions they do sometimes.
It's too soon for me to say what Love's chances are.
Parker probably gets in because of his three rings and finals MVP.
that's very odd because webber is a far better player than dwight. But I guess I understand.
I have always been an admirer of Webber's game. But injuries are a bummer and when you compare some of the achievements that matter for the Hall it really isn't close.
Webber:
5x All Star
1 All NBA 1st Team
1 All NBA 2nd Team
3 All NBA 3rd Team
Rookie of the Year
1 Rebounding Title
Howard:
8x All Star
5 All NBA 1st Team
1 All NBA 1st Team
2 All NBA 3rd Team
3 DPOYs
4 All NBA Defense 1st Team
5x Rebounding Titles
2x Blocks Titles _________________ 14-5-3-12
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:44 am Post subject:
I have always felt there are two paths to the HOF.....be very good and stay healthy for enough time to rack up large career totals.....or be dominant in a more contracted period of time.
Webber should be in the HOF....just ask the guys that had to play against him.
I have always felt there are two paths to the HOF.....be very good and stay healthy for enough time to rack up large career totals.....or be dominant in a more contracted period of time.
I wouldn't reduce it to those two tracks myself.
The route to the Hall seems to be very complicated to me. If you take away the no-brainers (Magic, Kobe, Wilt etc), there seems to be a lot of different factors for the second tier guys -- rings; college and international play; who the voters are; what the politics of the moments are.
In the last few years, we've seen a bunch of guys get in who were waiting around for decades, which makes me think there was something internal that happened -- like a change in voters. The Hall of so secretive about its processes it's hard to guess why some guys get in and some don't. I get the sense it's a very political organization with a log of logrolliing.
I still don't understand why T-Mac got in and Webber didn't.
Pau seems like a lock and was an inferior player to Webber.
Webber:
5x All Star
1 All NBA 1st Team
1 All NBA 2nd Team
3 All NBA 3rd Team
Rookie of the Year
1 Rebounding Title
Pau:
2× NBA champion (2009, 2010)
6× NBA All-Star (2006, 2009–2011, 2015, 2016)
2× All-NBA Second Team (2011, 2015)
2× All-NBA Third Team (2009, 2010)
NBA Rookie of the Year (2002)
J. Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award (2012)
All-EuroLeague Second Team (2001)
2× Spanish League champion (1999, 2001)
Spanish King's Cup MVP (2001)
Spanish League Finals MVP (2001)
2× FIBA Europe Player of the Year (2008, 2009)
2× Mister Europa Player of the Year (2004, 2009)
4× Euroscar Player of the Year (2008–2010, 2015)
FIBA World Cup MVP (2006)
2× FIBA EuroBasket MVP (2009, 2015)
3× FIBA EuroBasket Top Scorer (2003, 2009, 2015)
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Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 3:30 pm Post subject:
Pau has a more impressive resume as a result of having played with Kobe, though. Webber was the superior player. _________________ Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:
I think Webber will get in (eventually) and should get in on merit. He was an excellent all around player as a pro, and probably was the best player on ten (maybe more) of his seventeen pro squads. He had a long period of excellence too: fifteen seasons at least. He just didn't ever win the big playoff series, nor ever won an MVP. NOt a scoring champ but a big scorer, not a rebounding specialist but a rugged rebounder. He was an NBA RoY, and seven-time all NBA. There are guys like that in the Hall today: Dan Issel in particular, but Walt Bellamy and Bob Lanier come to mind as well as producing similalry constructed careers, pro and amateur.
Webber's college work was very top grade too, especially within the context of him as the best player on two teams which reached the NCAA Final Four round two years running, one appearing in a national championship game as well. Rare stuff.
It may be that guys of this accomplishment level are not universally acclaimed among fans as being Naismith HoF worthy, but the voters will disagree.
If you let everyone in, it becomes "The Hall of the Pretty Good"
It got there a long time ago. By the real world standards for the Hall of Fame, Webber has a shot to slip in eventually. He’s better than Calvin Murphy, Jo Jo White, and any number of others. I agree with your sentiment, though.
If you let everyone in, it becomes "The Hall of the Pretty Good"
It got there a long time ago. By the real world standards for the Hall of Fame, Webber has a shot to slip in eventually. He’s better than Calvin Murphy, Jo Jo White, and any number of others. I agree with your sentiment, though.
It's gotten ridiculous the last few years -- Maurice Cheeks, Charlie Scott, Zelmo Beatty, Jojo White have all gotten in.
At this point, the borderline guys are Shawn Marion, Tim Hardaway, Joe Johnson and Lou Hudson.
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