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Flight#24
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| JUST-MING wrote: | | Nahtanoj wrote: | | Flight#24 wrote: | | Kobe + Pau + Bynum + LO > Kobe + KG |
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Bryant + Gasol + Bynum + Odom + Farmar + Ariza + Turiaf + Fisher + Vujacic + ... |
Umm...no, I know what you are trying to say...
If we had gotten KG, we had to give up Drew and Lamar. Fact
Kwame would have been our only "reliable" center. So no Gasol, most likely.
Don't get me wrong KG + Kobe is elite, but Kobe + Gasol + Bynum + LO is just better. |
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| Opposing power forwards shoot just 41.7% eFG against KG. He's an incredible defender and a +15.5 PER against opposing power forwards. Opposing centers have shot a 50.2% eFG against Gasol. Gasol is a +9.1 in PER against opposing centers. Gasol is good, but he's not on the same level as KG. |
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| Megatron24 wrote: | KG>Gasol
Lets not kid ourselves |
KG would've cost us a lot more than Gasol. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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Gasol is not as good as KG. However, funny that it turned out not getting KG was a blessing because we got Gasol and kept Bynum. To be honest, with the way Drew has performed this year, I wouldn't trade him for KG straight up. Only player worth more to me than Bynum is Lebron.
Back to Gasol though.... KG and Gasol are basically a wash offensively (although I might give a slight edge to Gasol). However, KG is a much better rebounder and leaps/bounds better on defense. No doubt that Gasol is a top 5 PF in the league right now though - right there with KG, Duncan, Amare, and Bosh... Brand (because of injuries) and Boozer just on the outside of the top 5 right now IMO.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| OX1947 wrote: | | Gasol>KG, for the Lakers right now. Thats all that matters.... |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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| vanexelent wrote: | | What if we had traded Bynum for KG AND did the Gasol trade. Kobe, KG and Gasol? |
Gasol would still be in Memphis had that of happened... Mitch pulled that deal off for several reasons, and the attempt would have never been made had KG been in LA, nor would the Grizz have even done that deal knowing that the Lakers already had KG unless the Lakers were willing to give the Grizz KG for Gasol... West is no fool...
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| limchrc wrote: | | Pau has just been terrific for us. |
Agree |
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I certainly would have favored landing Gasol without losing Bynum and Odom over landing KG for the price of Bynum and Odom, so this all worked for the best.
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| THE_SHOES wrote: | | West is no fool... |
How exactly does Jerry West factor into it? |
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| THE_SHOES wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | What if we had traded Bynum for KG AND did the Gasol trade. Kobe, KG and Gasol? |
Gasol would still be in Memphis had that of happened... Mitch pulled that deal off for several reasons, and the attempt would have never been made had KG been in LA, nor would the Grizz have even done that deal knowing that the Lakers already had KG unless the Lakers were willing to give the Grizz KG for Gasol... West is no fool... |
West is no longer the GM for the Grizz |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| msb212 wrote: | | too bad he doesn't play defense like KG. |
True, numbers aside, that is the difference between the two. But when AB returns, our defense will be shored up.
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| Megatron24 wrote: | KG>Gasol
Lets not kid ourselves |
Yeah, but he's not Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, 2 first round picks and the kitchen sink better. The way things turned out, I'm glad the KG deal fell through. |
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As long as we're into equations...
KB + Pau + Odom > Pierce + Allen + KG
Folks, do you realize that this year's finals has the potential to one of the all time great matchups in NBA history. One for the ages.
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There's an aspect to this no one is recognizing. The quality of a team does not stand on its own, but in relation to other teams. If we get KG, Gasol stays in Memphis. We are not quite as good as we are now, but we are clearly better than the Celtics. So which way is more likely to lead to a championship? Could we beat San Antonio, Phoenix, New Orleans, and Detroit with Kobe and KG? Harder or easier to do than now, with AB/PG/LO/KB but with KG/Pierce/Allen waiting in the finals?
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Let's not forget that Gasol is what.. 5 years younger then KG 
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I didnt think ever that the KG deal would go through, it was just offseason hype to maintain interest.
Why Kobe wouldnt want KG
- If he wins along with KG media will again say that it was KG winning it with a sidekick, remember he was once the league MVP and we have kobe haters all over the media
- They would just say Kobe was riding one big man after another to get the ring
- With Pau he is good but never was a superstar for anyone to question who the man is, he can be an allstar for years to come and they will say it was Kobe who made it easy for him
Why lakers woudnt want KG
- Cap problems
- locker room problems, KG has had his share of locker room problems in minny, it was just a small market team that it didnt get exploded the way it does in LA. Didnt he punch a teammate
- As much as he is good, never showed the gut to will out a win. Has he ever made that one 4th quarter shot to change the game, pulled that one offensive rebound or that defensive play to change the game. He will put on numbers for 3 quarters and disappear in 4th. Stat man yes but not the guy you go to
Why Stern wouldnt want KG in LA
- Makes west stronger and his idea of EC teams stronger goes down the drain
- Once again poor finals rating unless the lakers make the finals and you get the lakers fan ratings to push it but not the best you can get
- Lakers celts rivalry can be revived to push ratings for finals
(But i dont think its lakers celts finals this year, it is for next year though , will look so obvious if they did it this year )
I am guessing its the lakers vs pistons in the finals or a celts vs NO finals. I am leaning more towards #1 as it gives the lakers a chance to take revenge over the pistons and still beat a team in the finals that is not over the hill.
From betting point of view, when everyone bets for celts to make the finals it just would help vegas for another team to make the finals.
This post is purely from the angle that nba is a business and that it is not a sport and that stern runs it as a business maximizing profits |
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| Texas_Pete wrote: | | ^^I didn't say Pau was better. I said he is "...Putting KG-type Numbers!" |
Then what was the point of this thread? By the way, KG impacts the game way more than Gasol will ever do. Lets not kid ourselves. |
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I'm tuning in to that spanish simulcast for the remainder of the games this season. That commentator is hilarious.
Uno, Dos Tres.... bbrbrbrbbbrbrbrbrbb...... 
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| dvdrdiscs wrote: | | Texas_Pete wrote: | | ^^I didn't say Pau was better. I said he is "...Putting KG-type Numbers!" |
Then what was the point of this thread? By the way, KG impacts the game way more than Gasol will ever do. Lets not kid ourselves. |
Way more than Gasol will ever do? That's an opinion if I ever heard one. KG is a better defender - that is the only thing that he clearly better than Pau is. IMO, Pau is just as effective as KG is. His impact on our team is just as much as KG's is for Boston. Again, I didn't say Pau was better -- hence the title of this thread. |
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| lakerfan1234 wrote: |
Why Kobe wouldnt want KG
- If he wins along with KG media will again say that it was KG winning it with a sidekick, remember he was once the league MVP and we have kobe haters all over the media
- They would just say Kobe was riding one big man after another to get the ring
- With Pau he is good but never was a superstar for anyone to question who the man is, he can be an allstar for years to come and they will say it was Kobe who made it easy for him
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Actually, I think that is why some posters here wouldn't want KG, not Kobe.
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| vanexelent wrote: | | What if we had traded Bynum for KG AND did the Gasol trade. Kobe, KG and Gasol? |
You can't be serious.... you would trade Bynum for KG now?
I'll tell you what... take a look at KG's numbers this year at the age of 32:
PPG 18.9
RPG 9.4
APG 3.5
SPG 1.4
BPG 1.3
FG% 53
FT% 80
MPG 33.5
I'll suggest to you that next year when KG is 33 and Bynum is 21 the difference between Bynum's stats and KG's is not going to be that much really.
Bynum was averaging around 17 11 3 for about the month before he was injured.
Not unreasonable stats for Bynum next year:
PPG 16
RPG 11
APG 3
BPG 3
FG% 57
FT% 75
MPG 38
All will be close to or actually better than KG and Bynum will be 21 and KG 33.
Why would the Lakers do that trade? Trade away a 5 year window with Kobe and even larger window later on for a window of 2 years that is probably not that much bigger of a window anyway.
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| Critical Beatdown wrote: | | Actually, neither guy is putting up classic KG numbers. |
Very true.... 
There lies the rub.... KG will be 33 next year, one year beyond what most consider the high end of prime years....
And Gasol will be 28 next year, what most consider the beginning of prime years.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| ElginBaylor wrote: | As long as we're into equations...
KB + Pau + Odom > Pierce + Allen + KG
Folks, do you realize that this year's finals has the potential to one of the all time great matchups in NBA history. One for the ages. |
I don't like to think about it because it gets me too excited and I don't want to be disappointed if it doesn't happen. Imagine the Lakers playing the Suns w/Shaq (beating them), beating the Spurs in the conference Finals, and then beating the Celtics in the Finals. I can't imagine a more difficult, yet exciting playoffs.
These playoffs, regardless of how it all turns out, already has the make-up to be one of the best ever. Whoever wins a ring this year will certainly have earned it as even an East team will have to beat two elite teams (Detroit or Boston in the East and whoever comes out of the West).
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: |
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| THE_SHOES wrote: | | vanexelent wrote: | | What if we had traded Bynum for KG AND did the Gasol trade. Kobe, KG and Gasol? |
Gasol would still be in Memphis had that of happened... Mitch pulled that deal off for several reasons, and the attempt would have never been made had KG been in LA, nor would the Grizz have even done that deal knowing that the Lakers already had KG unless the Lakers were willing to give the Grizz KG for Gasol... West is no fool... |
West is not with the Grizz. We still would of had Brown, so it could have happened. The grizz would be thinking what is best for them.
Just depends if we would of had Aaron. Critt would have went to Minny, while Jordan could have went to the grizz.
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Gasol is not as good as KG right now
But he's younger and that's ALL that matters |
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