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| Who do you pick for the Lakers between these two? |
| Aaron McKie at MLE |
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| McKie at LLE |
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Serious NBA Fan
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 Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 12:49 pm Post subject: McKie >>>> DA |
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We will find out in the next few days if McKie will be released, I would favor him over DA anytime. Better defender, better head on his shoulder, and healtier. Besides, he may come for the LLE.
So, who do you vote for? McKie or DA? |
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thegreatest
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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| DA would get more than the LLe and less than the MLE. but DA > than Mckie |
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Freakout
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd take 2000-2001 McKie but not todays version. |
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davidse
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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first of all, any fan would vote for his favourite for the lle.
no one ones to waste the mle if we can get the man for the lle - those choices are a waste of time.
for me - anderson is a much better choice.
mackie has lost a lot of speed and can't be depended on to defend point guards any more.
anderson has his own health issues, but he's still a much better bet to be quick enough to defend point guards. |
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LakersInFour
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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McKie is a decent player, but he's a 2/3. No way he can play the point/initiator, break the press with his ball-nadling, or defend point guards.
And he is NOT better than DA, not by several miles.
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ALbino
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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DA by a longshot, and the MLE/LLE question is silly :)
AL. |
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angel
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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How is Aaron McKie's health?
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Sonicc64
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| Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| ^^ it stinks |
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jeremysnow
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 6:34 am Post subject: |
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mckie's health might stink, however, DA's physical/mental health has been pretty close to pepe lepew  
mckie's health is poor for good reason, i.e. 33 year old* that played his heart out, with a limited level of talent (*mckie OFFICIALLY makes 33 on 10/2/05; on paper he is "still 32 years old").
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year team gp gp %
95-96 POR 81 98.78%
96-97 POR 41
96-97 DET 42
96-97 -- 83 101.22%
97-98 DET 24
97-98 PHI 57
97-98 -- 81 98.78%
98-99 PHI 50* 100.00%
99-00 PHI 82 100.00%
00-01 PHI 76 92.68%
01-02 PHI 48 58.54%
02-03 PHI 80 97.56%
03-04 PHI 75 91.46%
04-05 PHI 68 82.93%
* contract shortened year
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aaron mckie played for an excellent, 84.71% of the total 769 regular season games; which translates to roughly 69.46 games per season of an 82 game season. in comparison below, DA's average season per year? 61.8 games played per 82 game season, for the 8 years (75% of the possible 494 games).
for his 11 year nba career, mckie played every game at least three times; one year, he played 83 games (having been traded by one team & playing the extra game). aaron mckie played 84% of the possible 769 games played, which is marvelous. he's also played with just three team, of which the past seven years were with phillie.
from my thoughts based on the lakers current payroll
we have 16 players under contract or verbal agreement, if you include vlade and brian grant
my conclusion: get neither DA or mckie. we need a 1, that has legs and durability. it won't hurts us to wait this out. antonio daniels was our best shot. now, upsides are not as clear, with regards to DA & mckie.
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:31 pm
*** OFFICIAL Chicken Little, Piss and Moan Fest ***
..........even with DA, we'll be at best a strong second tier team.
we've got a couple of projects on the team and since we'd missed out on AD, don't think there's anything really outstanding there for now.
DA: probably the best alternative; but his injuries have escalated in the past few years.
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year team gp % gp
97-98 CLE 66 80%
98-99 CLE 38* 76%
99-00 LAC 64 78%
00-01 SAS 82 100%
01-02 POR 70 85%
02-03 POR 76 93%
03-04 POR 51 62%
04-05 POR 47 57%
Career 8 years 494 75%
*denotes 50 game regular season/strike shortened.
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so what is DA's average season per year? 61.8 games played per year for the 8 years.
what's kobe's?
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year team gp % gp
96-97 LAL 71 87%
97-98 LAL 79 96%
98-99 LAL 50* 100%
99-00 LAL 66 80%
00-01 LAL 68 83%
01-02 LAL 80 98%
02-03 LAL 82 100%
03-04 LAL 65 79%
04-05 LAL 66 80%
Career Nine Years 627 regular season games played
*denotes 50 game regular season/strike shortened.
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78.4 regular season games played per year; 13.4 more games on kobe's ledger; if we were to use kobe as a standard.
so what's my point?: simply, DA's a viable option, however, for longer than the two years, he might be a casualty, ala brian grant, vlade, etc. we need players than are on the court, not just on the roster.
dfish: yes he knows the triangle, but even DFish will be challenged by his foot issues. I prefer keeping derek as a positive memory than an acquisition.
banks? He'd be an interesting acquisition.
lue? I wouldn't mind ty. he understands the triangle and plays good enough D.
gp?: well, if it came to that, possibly as a vet minimum. the guy really doesn't like playing in the tri; so really there's no point beyond a consideration. |
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LakerJam
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| McKie WAS a good player, but he's nothing more than a bench mob member at this point in his career. I'd rather have DA - and I don't really care if it's for the MLE. |
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STiG909
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| What's the deal with Nick Van Exel? I don't care for McKie or DA. |
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LakerJam
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| STiG909 wrote: | | What's the deal with Nick Van Exel? I don't care for McKie or DA. |
Considering NVE doesn't give a crap about the Lakers and doesn't want to play here, why waste time pining for him? Quality FAs are disappearing fast and we can't afford to chase players who aren't interested. Besides, if he can't appreciate that it's a privilege to be a Laker, screw him. |
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Serious NBA Fan
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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Wow! What an excellent well thouhgt-out response!
| jeremysnow wrote: | mckie's health might stink, however, DA's physical/mental health has been pretty close to pepe lepew
mckie's health is poor for good reason, i.e. 33 year old* that played his heart out, with a limited level of talent (*mckie OFFICIALLY makes 33 on 10/2/05; on paper he is "still 32 years old").
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year team gp gp %
95-96 POR 81 98.78%
96-97 POR 41
96-97 DET 42
96-97 -- 83 101.22%
97-98 DET 24
97-98 PHI 57
97-98 -- 81 98.78%
98-99 PHI 50* 100.00%
99-00 PHI 82 100.00%
00-01 PHI 76 92.68%
01-02 PHI 48 58.54%
02-03 PHI 80 97.56%
03-04 PHI 75 91.46%
04-05 PHI 68 82.93%
* contract shortened year
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aaron mckie played for an excellent, 84.71% of the total 769 regular season games; which translates to roughly 69.46 games per season of an 82 game season. in comparison below, DA's average season per year? 61.8 games played per 82 game season, for the 8 years (75% of the possible 494 games).
for his 11 year nba career, mckie played every game at least three times; one year, he played 83 games (having been traded by one team & playing the extra game). aaron mckie played 84% of the possible 769 games played, which is marvelous. he's also played with just three team, of which the past seven years were with phillie.
from my thoughts based on the lakers current payroll
we have 16 players under contract or verbal agreement, if you include vlade and brian grant
my conclusion: get neither DA or mckie. we need a 1, that has legs and durability. it won't hurts us to wait this out. antonio daniels was our best shot. now, upsides are not as clear, with regards to DA & mckie.
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2005 12:31 pm
*** OFFICIAL Chicken Little, Piss and Moan Fest ***
..........even with DA, we'll be at best a strong second tier team.
we've got a couple of projects on the team and since we'd missed out on AD, don't think there's anything really outstanding there for now.
DA: probably the best alternative; but his injuries have escalated in the past few years.
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year team gp % gp
97-98 CLE 66 80%
98-99 CLE 38* 76%
99-00 LAC 64 78%
00-01 SAS 82 100%
01-02 POR 70 85%
02-03 POR 76 93%
03-04 POR 51 62%
04-05 POR 47 57%
Career 8 years 494 75%
*denotes 50 game regular season/strike shortened.
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so what is DA's average season per year? 61.8 games played per year for the 8 years.
what's kobe's?
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year team gp % gp
96-97 LAL 71 87%
97-98 LAL 79 96%
98-99 LAL 50* 100%
99-00 LAL 66 80%
00-01 LAL 68 83%
01-02 LAL 80 98%
02-03 LAL 82 100%
03-04 LAL 65 79%
04-05 LAL 66 80%
Career Nine Years 627 regular season games played
*denotes 50 game regular season/strike shortened.
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78.4 regular season games played per year; 13.4 more games on kobe's ledger; if we were to use kobe as a standard.
so what's my point?: simply, DA's a viable option, however, for longer than the two years, he might be a casualty, ala brian grant, vlade, etc. we need players than are on the court, not just on the roster.
dfish: yes he knows the triangle, but even DFish will be challenged by his foot issues. I prefer keeping derek as a positive memory than an acquisition.
banks? He'd be an interesting acquisition.
lue? I wouldn't mind ty. he understands the triangle and plays good enough D.
gp?: well, if it came to that, possibly as a vet minimum. the guy really doesn't like playing in the tri; so really there's no point beyond a consideration. |
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jeremysnow
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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thanks serious! "thumbsup:
I hope our offer to DA is the minimum we can get by with.
I'm glad mitch & the lakers have chosen the route of physically examining him. If a thorough exam in undergone, the lakers will have question marks worth noting. |
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