nothing to see here guys, he will be training camp fodder
You never know. Guys that pride themselves on defense sometimes work into your rotation. It isn't like Raja Bell or Bruce Bowen could do anything offensively at first.
Here is a video of Dwayne Mitchell in College. The put back dunk in the beginning of the video is ridiculous. He also dunks one at the end to win the conference championship that is ridiculous.
Here is a video of Dwayne Mitchell in College. The put back dunk in the beginning of the video is ridiculous. He also dunks one at the end to win the conference championship that is ridiculous.
Thanks for posting the video. It'd be nice if someone showed clips of his defense, like maybe some blocks or steals? That put back dunk around 39 sec.s was awesome!
Here is a video of Dwayne Mitchell in College. The put back dunk in the beginning of the video is ridiculous. He also dunks one at the end to win the conference championship that is ridiculous.
Thanks for posting the video. It'd be nice if someone showed clips of his defense, like maybe some blocks or steals? That put back dunk around 39 sec.s was awesome!
Yeah, I just found the video on Youtube. One of my favorite plays in the video is when he jumps skys for a rebound then throws the outlet pass to Orien Greene before hitting the ground. Then his team gets a dunk on that break.
Why a guy like that have a hard time sticking with a NBA team?
He measured out at 6-3.25 in shoes with a 6-6 wingspan so he's an undersized 2 with great athletic ability and defensive potential, but poor ballhandling skills, and a weak jumper.
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:18 am Post subject:
DoubleClutch wrote:
He pulled down almost 8 boards a game last year in the D-league. Pretty impressive for a guard. Also put up 16 pts 4 ast and 2 stl.
He kinda reminds me of Mo Evans lite. A good slasher, not a great shooter or ball handler for a guard, but well built and athletic.
Looks like the battle for that 5th guard spot is going to be a good one - Coby Karl v. Joe Crawford v. Dwayne Mitchell v. Sun Yue (maybe).
I think Mitch probably takes one of these guys and maybe an extra big man into the season. DJ Mbenga, Tractor Traylor, Taj Gray, etc.
If Yue comes to camp then I think Yue will have the inside track at PG. All of the others are a better fit at SG and with Kobe and Sasha there's really no room at SG especially considering that even Fish and Farmar can fill in there as well considering they are both good shooters.
PG is another story.... With Fisher at 34 years of age and with Farmar as really the only legit PG to back him up the Lakers would have no one else other than having to turn to either Kobe or Sasha at the point.
Yue probably has more upside than any of the other 3 (Karl, Crawford, Mitchell). Also Mitchell will be 26 years old by the time camp starts. I like Crawford but I don't see him beating out either Karl or Yue (if he's there).
If it comes down to Karl or Yue I think Yue wins because he is younger, more upside and plays the PG position better. I think the biggest factor will come down to who Yue will show flashes of superior talent that in the end cannot be ignored in relation to the other 3 players. And then of course there is Yue's size which will also give him an advantage over the other three rivals.
As far as inviting Yue I think this is probably the time to do it... he's 22 and won't get much better without NBA experience. The Lakers might want to stash him away for one more year if they really believe that one of the other 3 should get a shot for now but I really don't think so....
As far as an extra big I'd expect the Lakers do so with losing Turiaf. I haven't heard that Gray has been invited to camp... is this so? Gray could become a pretty good PF some day he has improved dramatically over time but I'd have to say between the three players Mbenga has the inside track but probably it will be much closer between these three than I think it will be as far as Yue more easily winning out over his rivals at guard. _________________ Rule = win titles
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Lakers desperately need one or two solid backup PFs/Cs. I would take Mbenga and a proven veteran. That puts the roster count at 13.
Competing for the last two spots, we have four Lakers and other possible signings. Unless Dwayne proves to be pretty good, I doubt he makes the cut.
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 9:13 am Post subject:
I like Mitchell. Nice addition to training camp.
Also, I don't think Mbenga's coming back. According to Mitch, he has other options and that likely prices him out of our range. I hope I'm wrong and he does come back, though. Assuming he did, don't think we add another big beyond that as Mitch inferred that he was looking to add one more big to the roster.
As for guard play, I suspect we keep Yue and Karl, leaving one roster spot open. If Mitchell or Crawford kick butt, they would be kept but it's a long shot, to say the least. Still, I like that Mitchell signing and am very interested to see how he does.
I like the fact that he likes to attack the rim!! If you think about it with K, LO, Pau, Bynum on the floor people would definitely back off of him which would give him an opening to the rim. We desparately need for someone to attack the rim other than Kobe everyone on the Lakers doesn't need to shoot 3's because that can get you into trouble, when you are missing I am concerned about our Defense on opposing pg's. Farmar's D Sucks, so I am not worried about the names such as Coby Carl, Sue Yue, or whom ever they better bring it on D. I would like to have a combo guard that is a D. Specialist.
Lakers desperately need one or two solid backup PFs/Cs. I would take Mbenga and a proven veteran. That puts the roster count at 13.
Competing for the last two spots, we have four Lakers and other possible signings. Unless Dwayne proves to be pretty good, I doubt he makes the cut.
The Lakers are reportedly going with a 13 player roster (I'll believe that when I see it) but assuming this to be true there are only TWO spots left.
The Lakers have to have another guard (FOUR GUARDS ARE NOT ENOUGH)....
So that would leave ONLY one "solid backup PF/C" instead of the TWO you suggest they should have....
What that says of course is that you are entirely correct when you say Mitchell is a perverbial "long shot" to make the club... that is an understatement with the likes of Karl, Crawford and most likely Yue contending for that coveted last guard spot on the roster. _________________ Rule = win titles
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:58 am Post subject:
LakerJam wrote:
I like Mitchell. Nice addition to training camp.
Also, I don't think Mbenga's coming back. According to Mitch, he has other options and that likely prices him out of our range. I hope I'm wrong and he does come back, though. Assuming he did, don't think we add another big beyond that as Mitch inferred that he was looking to add one more big to the roster.
As for guard play, I suspect we keep Yue and Karl, leaving one roster spot open. If Mitchell or Crawford kick butt, they would be kept but it's a long shot, to say the least. Still, I like that Mitchell signing and am very interested to see how he does.
Then I take it you don't believe that the Lakers stick to the 13 player roster plan that has been reported to be the case by Mitch and the Laker FO?
I am not convinced they'll hold to that plan either but based on your post they would be going with possibly a full 15 player roster but if not for sure a 14 player roster with Yue, Karl and a big added to the already 11 players signed....
I actually agree with your scenario btw, that the Lakers keep both Karl and Yue and will sign one more big. I actually favor Mbenga sticking slightly however and maybe has a 60/40 chance of being signed....
The reason I think the Lakers will keep Yue (assuming he is invited to camp and I think he will be) is that Yue will show to much upside to let go and lose. In fact as far as upsdide is concerned I think Yue will exhibit the talent and potential to have clearly more upside than any of the other guards on the bubble. But with that said, because of Yue's lack of any NBA experience they will elect to also sign Karl simply because of his experience with the club last year.
I also believe that Crawford or Mitchell even (though he is soon to be 26) could have a slight more upside than Karl it is not enough and much to close to go with a rookie NBA player over Karl at this point. _________________ Rule = win titles
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Also Mitchell will be 26 years old by the time camp starts. I like Crawford but I don't see him beating out either Karl or Yue (if he's there).
Karl is 25 yrs old as well, so not much difference there. I don't see a ton of upside with either player (karl vs Mitchell). Karl is a standstill shooter who has decent hoops i.q., while Mitchell provides hustle and defense. Depends on what a team is looking for: shooting or defense. Both players are limited.
Although I'm guessing the Lakers will play it like normal and either go with the guy they spent a 2nd rounder on, or spent last season developing. Lakers have not shown a history of going out of their way to develop a defensive player in the last few years. Hopefully Ariza changes that, although all they asked him to work on was offensive issues...
Either way, hopefully Mitchell gets a fair shot at making the roster and isn't just a filler for t.c. _________________ "It's just a job. Grass grows, birds fly, waves pound the sand. I beat people up."-The Greatest
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:12 pm Post subject:
On thing that really sticks out to me as far as Mitchell is concerned and that is all of these reports on this thread how badly he shoots the ball...
I admittedly didn't see him play at all but I'd have to say based on all that has been posted he must have a flat out TERRIBLE outside shot because his shooting PERCENTAGE is frankly eye popping....
Mitchell shot a glittering 62% from the field....
I find that a little baffling because even if he took most of his shots from close to the rim how is it that he is considered such a "terrible" shooter when he is only missing less than 4 of out of 10 of his shots... there just isn't that many shots taken and missed to make such a definitive conclusion that is expressed here on this thread about how "bad" he shoots.
Mitchell only took 21 shots total in the entire summer league....
Of those 21 shots he only missed 8.... some of those misses had to be under the basket.... So there really isn't that many misses from the outside it would seem to me....
Let's say he missed 3 shots under the rim that would leave only 5 shots missed from outside out of 21 total shots taken.
So now lets say that of those 21 shots taken that 15 of those shots (vast majority) were under the rim... that leaves only 6 outside shots say from beyond 8 feet or more (defining under the rim as less than 8 feet).
Then in that scenario Mitchell is still shooting 50% from the field outside of 8 feet from the rim 3-6.
Since I never saw him play I'm just speculating on the shots based on a little common sense but it would seem to me that there is just not enough misses in there to make the definitive conclusion that we see so prevalent here on this thread concerning how "bad" a shooter he is...
Any comments as to why the perception is so strong that he is such a bad shooter with a 62% field goal percentage? _________________ Rule = win titles
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject:
oldschool32 wrote:
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Also Mitchell will be 26 years old by the time camp starts. I like Crawford but I don't see him beating out either Karl or Yue (if he's there).
Karl is 25 yrs old as well, so not much difference there. I don't see a ton of upside with either player (karl vs Mitchell). Karl is a standstill shooter who has decent hoops i.q., while Mitchell provides hustle and defense. Depends on what a team is looking for: shooting or defense. Both players are limited.
Although I'm guessing the Lakers will play it like normal and either go with the guy they spent a 2nd rounder on, or spent last season developing. Lakers have not shown a history of going out of their way to develop a defensive player in the last few years. Hopefully Ariza changes that, although all they asked him to work on was offensive issues...
Either way, hopefully Mitchell gets a fair shot at making the roster and isn't just a filler for t.c.
Yep... I would agree...
I would say that now that the Lakers have signed Sasha this puts added pressure on Karl since there is really a lot of redundancy between the two players with Sasha as by far better player of the two.
So it would seem that the Sasha signing would dictate that Mitchell is much more the kind of player that is lacking off the bench as opposed to signing "Sasha lite" which is basically what Karl really is....
But then again I think the Lakers are going to weigh heavily Karl's experience he gained with the club last year as well.
I personally think (and said many times before) that if Yue is invited to camp he will show way to much promise and upside potential to risk losing and will HAVE to be signed regardless of his glaring lack of NBA level experience.
What this will end up doing is pressure the front office to abandon the 13 player roster plan and add a 6th guard. This would of course be either Karl, Crawford or Mitchell. Since NBA experience will be important in the minds of the Laker staff Karl has a "leg up" so to speak... it will be up to either Crawford or Mitchell to show they have the talent and ability to make up for this perceived experience of Karl.
Again it would appear at first glance that Mitchell is probably the type of player that fills a niche off the bench that is needed most since the Lakers already have plenty of shooters now that Sasha is in the fold... we'll just have to wait and see.... _________________ Rule = win titles
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Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:45 pm Post subject:
LA_Lakers_Rule wrote:
LakerJam wrote:
I like Mitchell. Nice addition to training camp.
Also, I don't think Mbenga's coming back. According to Mitch, he has other options and that likely prices him out of our range. I hope I'm wrong and he does come back, though. Assuming he did, don't think we add another big beyond that as Mitch inferred that he was looking to add one more big to the roster.
As for guard play, I suspect we keep Yue and Karl, leaving one roster spot open. If Mitchell or Crawford kick butt, they would be kept but it's a long shot, to say the least. Still, I like that Mitchell signing and am very interested to see how he does.
Then I take it you don't believe that the Lakers stick to the 13 player roster plan that has been reported to be the case by Mitch and the Laker FO?
I am not convinced they'll hold to that plan either but based on your post they would be going with possibly a full 15 player roster but if not for sure a 14 player roster with Yue, Karl and a big added to the already 11 players signed....
I actually agree with your scenario btw, that the Lakers keep both Karl and Yue and will sign one more big. I actually favor Mbenga sticking slightly however and maybe has a 60/40 chance of being signed....
The reason I think the Lakers will keep Yue (assuming he is invited to camp and I think he will be) is that Yue will show to much upside to let go and lose. In fact as far as upsdide is concerned I think Yue will exhibit the talent and potential to have clearly more upside than any of the other guards on the bubble. But with that said, because of Yue's lack of any NBA experience they will elect to also sign Karl simply because of his experience with the club last year.
I also believe that Crawford or Mitchell even (though he is soon to be 26) could have a slight more upside than Karl it is not enough and much to close to go with a rookie NBA player over Karl at this point.
I agree. Ultimately, the Lakers often only plan for 13, but if they like a player or players potential enough, they keep them. Besides, the cost of a 2nd round pick or a FA player in his 1st or 2nd year, is so low that it's not really a deterrant. I'm guessing we'll have 14.
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Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 1:24 am Post subject:
I have to say Mitchell really looks like a pretty darn good prospect the more I hear about him.... can anyone please address my post above on this page as to why there is so much negativity about his shooting when he actually shot 62% in the summer league... my prior post has much more details but at that rate and considering the number of shots taken. As I posted above... Of the 21 shots he took he only missed 8.... some of those misses had to be under the basket.... So there really can't be that many misses from the outside it would seem to me since a few of those 8 misses were probably under the rim....
For those who saw him play (I didn't) please advise... thanks... I would be interested to know since his poor shooting is a very prevalent theme when describing Mitchell (aside from maybe not such good handles) which does seem the major concern that people have about him. _________________ Rule = win titles
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