Poll: Odom/George/Divac for Artest/Croshere/Bender

ChiefTriangle38 · Starting Rotation Joined: 30 Apr 2005 Posts: 305

Its so funny that on this board, as soon as some type of trade is mentioned, many people jump on the bandwagon and jump of the player thats bieng traded bandwagon

I remember all the posts "Odom to be like Pippen, All-Star next year, Natural for the Triangle,..."

Now all of a sudden hes a worthless underachiever that should be traded for a guy who may or may not be with the team becuase of his attitude problems and a guy who isn't as talented as Odom

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AIRZOOMKOBE2k5 · Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:19 am Post subject:

u guys are crazy do u even know of odoms potential?

trpldblr · Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:43 am Post subject:

Wait up some of you wouldn't trade LO strait up for Artest, but you'd do it if they incluided Bender?? Somebody who has yet to prove that he can play at least 3/4 of a season?

Also, defense is important but it's not about just one players defense it has to be an entire team effort.

I say we keep Odom and acquire some defensive stopper, then we have the best of both worlds, an excellent triangle point forward and a gritty defender.

Defense is important but Phil in his last years has relied more on clutch defense and above average D for an entire game.

Who's to say Odom wont become a better defender under Phil, he surely has the size and arm length to give anybody some trouble defensively, a lot of these post against LO are very biased and partial, ppl who don't wanna see LO on this team.

NoHarmNoFoul · Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 11:54 am Post subject:

Maybe....

however, if we could get Foster or Pollard instead of Croshere, even better -- no-brainer 8)
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trpldblr · Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject:

Everybody who voted for Artest fails to realize that Odom took miami against the pacers to a seven game series, and all he had was a knee weary brian grant, an injured caron butler, a rookie dwayne wade, and a burnt eddie jones. He gave them the fight of their lives while they also did a great job defensively.

A lot of you are letting last season weigh on your voting, last season was crap... and Odom was used incorrectly, they didn't play him as a point forward, Rudy T, Frank Hamblen, Kobe having the ball for about 42 mpg.

I for one am anxious to see Odom under Phil as THE triangle's point forward.
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Krispy Kreme · Franchise Player Joined: 30 Mar 2003 Posts: 12252

its a tough choice. artest has issues. didnt he want to take some time off to go on tour with his rap album or something? he is more of a headcase than lamar(although in artest's case, it doesn't affect his play on the court) he is a better defender, no question. i still want to see what odom can do under phil.
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LA_Lakers_Rule · Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:21 pm Post subject:

I'm one of those who would be reluctant to trade Odom straight across for Artest. I think we are underestimating all that Odom's brings offensively including not only scoring but rebounding and assists. I think in the Triangle as the "point" and at SF he can really shine. I also have concerns about Artest's head as far as his mental stability is concerned.

What makes the trade interesting is the inclusion of Bender in the deal, which to me could maybe make the deal possibly worth while, imo.

I know I might be in the minority, but the fact is Odom is so versatile on the offensive end and his playing opposite SF's may help him improve his defense next year with his length advantange. I'm for keeping Odom if it were only Artest involved, but as I said Bender at least makes the trade interesting, imo.

I know this is only one game, but check out the post below, it maybe demonstrates how Odom may be underestimated on this board.

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Krispy Kreme · Franchise Player Joined: 30 Mar 2003 Posts: 12252

yeah but bender is probably going to get injured. as a matter of fact, werent we going to trade for bender mainly because we would get the draft pick? that was the main attraction of the deal.
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trpldblr · Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:09 pm Post subject:

One more mishap by Artest and it could mean his whole NBA career, that alone should stop this trade from even being considered.

At the 3 position LO can shot over anybody and Artest is not better in the post not by a long shot, and no magic, was a fast break distributor, Odom is a half court facilitator, this comment tells me u havn't seen Odom play as a point forward; he's great at it, the best I've seen in a long time. When Odom is on he doesn't need to score to dominate a game, his passing and PG skills take over.

Artest just said that he wasn't going to change, this guy will be banned from the league, it's just a matter of time. All it's gonna take is another confrontation and he's gonna lose it, you can see it in his eyes he's psycho.

ggamannom · Sixth Man Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 35

i probably won't do the trade... it won't be bad, but i still like odom

surely, we'll have the great defense provided with Artest; but potential-wise and offensively, i would want to stick with Odom
And i'm worried what would happen with Kobe and Artest in the same team, not on the court, but off the court.. i say we let the zen master work his magic with Odom and let him improve

yesman · Starting Rotation Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 133

Artest is an ELITE PLAYER. He's the second best SF in the NBA behind Lebron. Odom is not quite even an All Star Calibre player. He's close, but simply not that good. I know it hurt to hear that, but he's not that good. He's not a great defender, scorer, passer, or defender. He averages 4.3 assists per game, and he's never averaged 6 assists per game. He is the most overrated Laker player by far.

Car54 · Franchise Player Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 14424

No way i do this trade. And Odom is way better than Ron in the post. In miami Odom played good defense. face it we sucked at defense last year it wasnt just odom.

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loseyourname · Star Player Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Posts: 1531

I love this trade myself. Kobe, Artest, and Kwame might be the three guys in the league that have the most to prove this season. Combine them with a rejuvenated Phil and we could see a real "us against the world" team with a chip on its shoulder. Heck, even DA has something to prove, if he's signed, then we have "Jawbreaker" Wafer.

Come on, can you imagine the boos in opposing arenas when you have Kobe and Artest on the same team? That might be the most hated combo since Mahorn/Laimbeer. If Bynum/Brown really develop and all that talent clicks, we could be looking at the NBA version of the Miami Hurricanes of the late 80's. Let us not forget, either, what I think is the single most important factor in this trade: Bender expires in 2007 and Artest makes way less than Odom. We could potentially add a max free agent, realistically, to a core of Kobe/Artest/Bynum, and not have to surround them with complete minimum wage scrubs.