Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: Ariza = Posey
Posey was always a good defender, but good players become great under a sound defensive scheme. As someone said in another topic, good defensive schemes optimize the efforts of your players.
Ariza has always been that type of player as well, and his efforts have become more apparent now, under our new defensive system.
I disagree that he should start. While he's certainly a capable starter in terms of ability, it's our bench that really needs him. Our starters have twin towers patrolling the paint and Kobe on the perimeter. Our bench has 3 guys (Farmar, Odom, and Sasha) that like to run and not play much defense. Ariza's the stabilizer. On top of that, all his steals and deflections create earsy fast break opportunities for everyone else.
Posey last year came off the bench for 25 mpg. I think Ariza should be used the same way. If we go all the way this year, it will be in no small part to Ariza off the bench. _________________ I get up for everybody. I played my son today in the backyard and I didn't let him score." - Ron Artest
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Ariza is more of a ball-hawk and very good defender, but until he start hitting some big shots like Posey did Posey is still the better player. _________________ STERN!!!!!!!
They play absolutely nothing alike. Posey is a cheap bastard, he gives you hard elbows above and below the waist. He isn't afraid to get a T. Ariza gets in the passing lanes and disrupts the ball movement. Posey was a much better clutch shooter, especially from three point land. Posey is more similar to Horry.
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He's a game changer when he's in there. He brings so much speed and energy when he comes into the game. I agree though that right now the second unit is parts that all match with one another. That combined with Ariza being a high energy player, make him ideal as a bench guy. He provides a jump start when he comes into the game. I wouldn't put him on par with Posey, he is still unproven in big moments. But he's playing really well.
They play absolutely nothing alike. Posey is a cheap bastard, he gives you hard elbows above and below the waist. He isn't afraid to get a T. Ariza gets in the passing lanes and disrupts the ball movement. Posey was a much better clutch shooter, especially from three point land. Posey is more similar to Horry.
agreed, Posey isnt the kind of slasher that Ariza is, and doesnt play cheap defence _________________ “A story about Kobe is the first time they went to be fitted for their USA uniforms and Kobe starts crying. The equipment person asks him what happened and Kobe was like, man, you don’t understand, I’ve dreamed of playing for my country."
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: 08-09 Ariza = 07-08 Posey
Buddha wrote:
Posey was always a good defender, but good players become great under a sound defensive scheme. As someone said in another topic, good defensive schemes optimize the efforts of your players.
Ariza has always been that type of player as well, and his efforts have become more apparent now, under our new defensive system.
I disagree that he should start. While he's certainly a capable starter in terms of ability, it's our bench that really needs him. Our starters have twin towers patrolling the paint and Kobe on the perimeter. Our bench has 3 guys (Farmar, Odom, and Sasha) that like to run and not play much defense. Ariza's the stabilizer. On top of that, all his steals and deflections create earsy fast break opportunities for everyone else.
Posey last year came off the bench for 25 mpg. I think Ariza should be used the same way. If we go all the way this year, it will be in no small part to Ariza off the bench.
This is a little bit premature. Posey does his stuff during the playoffs and championship games with Miami and Boston. Ariza is still an unproven commodity.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. _________________ Let's Go Lakers!!!
as much as i hate Posey, i'd pick Posey over Ariza any day. Posey is a legitimate 3 pt threat, he is very clutch and is a better one on one defender than Ariza.
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: 08-09 Ariza = 07-08 Posey
Buddha wrote:
Posey was always a good defender, but good players become great under a sound defensive scheme. As someone said in another topic, good defensive schemes optimize the efforts of your players.
Ariza has always been that type of player as well, and his efforts have become more apparent now, under our new defensive system.
I disagree that he should start. While he's certainly a capable starter in terms of ability, it's our bench that really needs him. Our starters have twin towers patrolling the paint and Kobe on the perimeter. Our bench has 3 guys (Farmar, Odom, and Sasha) that like to run and not play much defense. Ariza's the stabilizer. On top of that, all his steals and deflections create earsy fast break opportunities for everyone else.
Posey last year came off the bench for 25 mpg. I think Ariza should be used the same way. If we go all the way this year, it will be in no small part to Ariza off the bench.
08-09 Ariza = 08-09 Ariza _________________ Do you believe it now, Trinity? - Morpheous
Ariza changed the tempo of the game tonight. We're very lucky to have a guy like him on our team. The crowd was very happy with his energy and effort defensively. Like someone said on here, if he can stay healthy. We won't see Luke Walton playing much minutes unless, Bill Walton pays Phil Jackson to do so..
as much as i hate Posey, i'd pick Posey over Ariza any day. Posey is a legitimate 3 pt threat, he is very clutch and is a better one on one defender than Ariza.
I thought this was sensible and echoes my opinion. I love Razor but he's nowhere near as good as Posey was last year. Time is on the Razor's side though _________________ LAkers 4 Life- "I think the refs are still calling fouls on the Lakers even during the press conference."
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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject:
ariza and posey dont really compare. phil hit it on the head. while ariza is an excellent defender, he needs to become lockdown. then there would be no comparison.
and posey cant do anything close to ariza's christmas day tbag.
in case you need a reminder:
mark jackson's "merry christmas to YOU" is classic. _________________ -Most people learn by saying mother, numb, horse, angry... I learned mine by saying Lakers, add gas. - HRD.
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: 08-09 Ariza = 07-08 Posey
PhiberOptik wrote:
Buddha wrote:
Posey was always a good defender, but good players become great under a sound defensive scheme. As someone said in another topic, good defensive schemes optimize the efforts of your players.
Ariza has always been that type of player as well, and his efforts have become more apparent now, under our new defensive system.
I disagree that he should start. While he's certainly a capable starter in terms of ability, it's our bench that really needs him. Our starters have twin towers patrolling the paint and Kobe on the perimeter. Our bench has 3 guys (Farmar, Odom, and Sasha) that like to run and not play much defense. Ariza's the stabilizer. On top of that, all his steals and deflections create earsy fast break opportunities for everyone else.
Posey last year came off the bench for 25 mpg. I think Ariza should be used the same way. If we go all the way this year, it will be in no small part to Ariza off the bench.
This is a little bit premature. Posey does his stuff during the playoffs and championship games with Miami and Boston. Ariza is still an unproven commodity.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
And also let's see how much Ariza's good 3-point shooting sticks. He's 1 for 4 the last couple of games.
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