Anybody have that complete list of Kobe's gamewinning shots (FT makes included preferably)?

 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:34 am    Post subject: Anybody have that complete list of Kobe's gamewinning shots (FT makes included preferably)?
I can't seem to find it. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:45 am    Post subject:
I really need this, anyone? I think I saw JUST-MING post it around here a couple of times, but the search function doesn't help me.

sorry for bumping, damn I feel like an attention whore.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:47 am    Post subject:
Why, did you get into an argument with someone over Kobe on game winners?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: Anybody have that complete list of Kobe's gamewinning shots (FT makes included preferably)?
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I can't seem to find it. Thanks.


Does the number fit on one hand? Honestly, i can't remember that many game winners from Kobe. I'd like to see that list.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:47 pm    Post subject:
Jordan-esque wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWOwv0tqtwA

Courtesy of Non-Player Zealot, from LakersTalk.net
  1. 12/27/99: Lakers 108 - Mavericks 106 (game-winning FTs)
  2. 02/13/00: Lakers 113 - Nets 110 (OT game-winning layup with the and-1)
  3. 05/10/00: Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (playoffs, jumper over Jason Kidd)
  4. 06/14/00: Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (NBA Finals, off reb and put back)
  5. 11/16/00: Lakers 112 - Kings 110 (OT game-tying 3 pointer for OT, & jumper for win)
  6. 02/07/01: Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83 (jumper with 2.7 sec)
  7. 01/02/02: Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86 (off reb and the jumper)
  8. 02/22/02: Lakers 96 - Hornets 94 (first career buzzer-beater jumper)
  9. 03/24/02: Lakers 97 - Kings 96 (fade-away with 36 sec)
  10. 05/12/02: Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (playoffs, off reb for the put back)
  11. 12/06/02: Lakers 105 - Mavericks 103 (28-point game comeback, spin-around jumper)
  12. 04/04/03: Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101 (buzzer beater jumper)
  13. 04/06/03: Lakers 115 - Suns 113 (final jumper with 28.6 sec)
  14. 02/17/04: Lakers 89 - Blazers 86 (layup and the foul)
  15. 02/19/04: Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99 (game after the trial, fade-away)
  16. 03/03/04: Lakers 95 - Rockets 93 (jumper over Yao with 22 sec)
  17. 03/21/04: Lakers 104 - Bucks 103 (OT jumper with 25 sec)
  18. 04/14/04: Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (OT game-tying 3-pointer for OT, & g-winning 3-pt buzzer beater)
  19. 03/13/05: Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116 (pump fake for the win)
  20. 11/02/05: Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97 (OT jumper after the Kwame brick)
  21. 12/04/05: Lakers 99 - Bobcats 98 (game-winning FTs)
  22. 01/07/06: Lakers 112 - Clippers 109 (game-winning off-the-window shot)
  23. 01/12/06: Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98 (jumper against Lebron with 8 sec, & Lebron choking)
  24. 04/30/06: Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (OT game-tying tear drop for OT, and game-winning jumper)
  25. 01/14/08: Lakers 123 - Sonics 121 (OT game-winning jumper)
  26. 01/09/09: Lakers 121 - Pacers 119 (jumper against Jarrett Jack with 3 sec)
Courtesy of Jordan-esque, from NBAwire.com


Wow thanks! Feels like I haven't seen this list in a while. I can't access Youtube from my PC though


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:49 pm    Post subject:
JUST-MING wrote:
Jordan-esque wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cflhFTmCKao

Courtesy of Non-Player Zealot, from LakersTalk.net
  1. 12/27/99: Lakers 108 - Mavericks 106 (game-winning FTs)
  2. 02/13/00: Lakers 113 - Nets 110 (OT game-winning layup with the and-1)
  3. 05/10/00: Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (playoffs, jumper over Jason Kidd)
  4. 06/14/00: Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (NBA Finals, off reb and put back)
  5. 11/16/00: Lakers 112 - Kings 110 (OT game-tying 3 pointer for OT, & jumper for win)
  6. 02/07/01: Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83 (jumper with 2.7 sec)
  7. 01/02/02: Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86 (off reb and the jumper)
  8. 02/22/02: Lakers 96 - Hornets 94 (first career buzzer-beater jumper)
  9. 03/24/02: Lakers 97 - Kings 96 (fade-away with 36 sec)
  10. 05/12/02: Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (playoffs, off reb for the put back)
  11. 12/06/02: Lakers 105 - Mavericks 103 (28-point game comeback, spin-around jumper)
  12. 04/04/03: Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101 (buzzer beater jumper)
  13. 04/06/03: Lakers 115 - Suns 113 (final jumper with 28.6 sec)
  14. 02/17/04: Lakers 89 - Blazers 86 (layup and the foul)
  15. 02/19/04: Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99 (game after the trial, fade-away)
  16. 03/03/04: Lakers 95 - Rockets 93 (jumper over Yao with 22 sec)
  17. 03/21/04: Lakers 104 - Bucks 103 (OT jumper with 25 sec)
  18. 04/14/04: Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (OT game-tying 3-pointer for OT, & g-winning 3-pt buzzer beater)
  19. 03/13/05: Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116 (pump fake for the win)
  20. 11/02/05: Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97 (OT jumper after the Kwame brick)
  21. 12/04/05: Lakers 99 - Bobcats 98 (game-winning FTs)
  22. 01/07/06: Lakers 112 - Clippers 109 (game-winning off-the-window shot)
  23. 01/12/06: Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98 (jumper against Lebron with 8 sec, & Lebron choking)
  24. 04/30/06: Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (OT game-tying tear drop for OT, and game-winning jumper)
  25. 01/14/08: Lakers 123 - Sonics 121 (OT game-winning jumper)
  26. 01/09/09: Lakers 121 - Pacers 119 (jumper against Jarrett Jack with 3 sec)
Courtesy of Jordan-esque, from NBAwire.com


Wow thanks! Feels like I haven't seen this list in a while. I can't access Youtube from my PC though


thanks, but Youtube says the user deleted this video...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:55 pm    Post subject:
wow i would have guessed he had at least 50 buzzer beaters....only 26?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:00 pm    Post subject:
^i think Jordan has 23. that should give you some perspective.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject:
JUST-MING wrote:
Jordan-esque wrote:
JUST-MING wrote:
Movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWOwv0tqtwA

Courtesy of Non-Player Zealot, from LakersTalk.net
  1. 12/27/99: Lakers 108 - Mavericks 106 (game-winning FTs)
  2. 02/13/00: Lakers 113 - Nets 110 (OT game-winning layup with the and-1)
  3. 05/10/00: Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (playoffs, jumper over Jason Kidd)
  4. 06/14/00: Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (NBA Finals, off reb and put back)
  5. 11/16/00: Lakers 112 - Kings 110 (OT game-tying 3 pointer for OT, & jumper for win)
  6. 02/07/01: Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83 (jumper with 2.7 sec)
  7. 01/02/02: Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86 (off reb and the jumper)
  8. 02/22/02: Lakers 96 - Hornets 94 (first career buzzer-beater jumper)
  9. 03/24/02: Lakers 97 - Kings 96 (fade-away with 36 sec)
  10. 05/12/02: Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (playoffs, off reb for the put back)
  11. 12/06/02: Lakers 105 - Mavericks 103 (28-point game comeback, spin-around jumper)
  12. 04/04/03: Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101 (buzzer beater jumper)
  13. 04/06/03: Lakers 115 - Suns 113 (final jumper with 28.6 sec)
  14. 02/17/04: Lakers 89 - Blazers 86 (layup and the foul)
  15. 02/19/04: Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99 (game after the trial, fade-away)
  16. 03/03/04: Lakers 95 - Rockets 93 (jumper over Yao with 22 sec)
  17. 03/21/04: Lakers 104 - Bucks 103 (OT jumper with 25 sec)
  18. 04/14/04: Lakers 105 - Blazers 104 (OT game-tying 3-pointer for OT, & g-winning 3-pt buzzer beater)
  19. 03/13/05: Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116 (pump fake for the win)
  20. 11/02/05: Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97 (OT jumper after the Kwame brick)
  21. 12/04/05: Lakers 99 - Bobcats 98 (game-winning FTs)
  22. 01/07/06: Lakers 112 - Clippers 109 (game-winning off-the-window shot)
  23. 01/12/06: Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98 (jumper against Lebron with 8 sec, & Lebron choking)
  24. 04/30/06: Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (OT game-tying tear drop for OT, and game-winning jumper)
  25. 01/14/08: Lakers 123 - Sonics 121 (OT game-winning jumper)
  26. 01/09/09: Lakers 121 - Pacers 119 (jumper against Jarrett Jack with 3 sec)
Courtesy of Jordan-esque, from NBAwire.com


Wow thanks! Feels like I haven't seen this list in a while. I can't access Youtube from my PC though



That's one more than Jordan had with the Bulls.

Jordan's 25 game-winning shots with the Bulls:
http://www.nba.com/jordan/game_winners.html

Jordan had 3 more with the Wizards:
http://www.23jordan.com/shots5.htm

(Note the list on that site repeats the 1989 shots in the 1990-1992 section)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:29 am    Post subject:
You're golden, thanks! ΕΎ
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:34 am    Post subject:
To put it all in perspective, I'd like to see a list of all game winners for every player. Anyone have a way of finding that out?
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:16 am    Post subject:
Only two in the last 3 1/2 years? Gotta pick it up, Kobe.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:51 pm    Post subject:
lakerz4sho' wrote:
^i think Jordan has 23. that should give you some perspective.


Lebron has 17 already. That should give you some perspective. Sorry, I just had to go there.

Vince Carter has 16 in the last 6 seasons or so. I read somewhere that he was actually the current career leader in game winning shots made.

Of course, the real assassins in game winning situations are Jamison (58.6%), Pau and Hedo (50%) and Melo (48.1%).

Kobe, Bron, VC, Pierce, KG, Wade, Dirk, Duncan...all make less than 40% of their game winning attempts. Actually, I think except for Duncan, they're all under 35%.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject:
Which shows why it's misleading.

Jordan could have had plenty more but he sat out entire 4th quarters all the time. If you have a good winning margin there's no "gamewinner" to be had.

4th quarter scoring average is another victim of that. Kobe's had a lot of big games in the first 3.

Stats are too misleading because they lack game context. And you can invent any weighting and interpretation you want. If left untreated, stats can lead even owners to think Jason Kidd is the second-best player in the league.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:41 pm    Post subject:
Anyone else feel bad for the kid that had to pick up those bags after pippen knocked them over?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:24 am    Post subject:
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lakerz4sho' wrote:
^i think Jordan has 23. that should give you some perspective.


Lebron has 17 already. That should give you some perspective. Sorry, I just had to go there.

Vince Carter has 16 in the last 6 seasons or so. I read somewhere that he was actually the current career leader in game winning shots made.

Of course, the real assassins in game winning situations are Jamison (58.6%), Pau and Hedo (50%) and Melo (48.1%).

Kobe, Bron, VC, Pierce, KG, Wade, Dirk, Duncan...all make less than 40% of their game winning attempts. Actually, I think except for Duncan, they're all under 35%.


LeBron has 8 gamewinners in his career.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:40 am    Post subject:
About a year back I started a post that was very detailed about my
favorite Top-10 Kobe shots - I'm not that good with the search function
on here but it might be what you're looking for...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:22 am    Post subject:
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thanks, but Youtube says the user deleted this video...




That's the vid, it's not a complete compilation of his shots. It was made in 2006 and is not updated since then.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:24 am    Post subject:
lakerz4sho' wrote:
^i think Jordan has 23. that should give you some perspective.
great point, thanks !
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:45 am    Post subject:
sodapoppenski wrote:
About a year back I started a post that was very detailed about my
favorite Top-10 Kobe shots - I'm not that good with the search function
on here but it might be what you're looking for...


Apparently not exactly what you wanted, but I posted my old list in the
forum of "top Kobe games" if you're interested!
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