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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:45 pm    Post subject:

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How does a team win .5 of a championship? 🤔


According to some people around here, a half a championship is one you win in a strike-shortened year or in a Bubble.

It’s nothing new that Laker haters will try everything they can to discredit the teams accomplishments. It’s been going on for years. I get it though. When you’re massively successful it comes with the territory. However…

I’ve seen a lot more people who call themselves Lakers fans and post on Lakers websites doing the same things lately that the haters have been doing for years. It’s a new and frankly perplexing development.


I was teasing.

Many people will try to discredit accomplishments that they wish hadn't happen. People do it against the Lakers, and Lakers fans do it against other teams.

Non-Lakers fans will discredit the Bubble ring.

Lakers fans will discredit the Spurs strike-shortened ring.

And on and on.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:05 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
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activeverb wrote:
Beir32 wrote:
How does a team win .5 of a championship? 🤔


According to some people around here, a half a championship is one you win in a strike-shortened year or in a Bubble.

It’s nothing new that Laker haters will try everything they can to discredit the teams accomplishments. It’s been going on for years. I get it though. When you’re massively successful it comes with the territory. However…

I’ve seen a lot more people who call themselves Lakers fans and post on Lakers websites doing the same things lately that the haters have been doing for years. It’s a new and frankly perplexing development.


I was teasing.

Many people will try to discredit accomplishments that they wish hadn't happen. People do it against the Lakers, and Lakers fans do it against other teams.

Non-Lakers fans will discredit the Bubble ring.

Lakers fans will discredit the Spurs strike-shortened ring.

And on and on.

Gotta admit though there’s a not-so-small part of the fan base that won’t give Lebron credit for anything he does while he’s here. That includes the “bubble chip”.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:06 pm    Post subject:

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Good luck trading for Luka.



Luka will be a Mav for life, Cuban wanted him all along and
there is no way he parts ways with him... next !

If Cuban doesn't get Luka a fellow star or superstar for next season, the Mavs won't improve, and it may then be best for Luka to leave the Mavs next summer.

He's only 22, and he has a chance to end up on the same level as MJ/Kobe/Magic/Bird/LeBron if he wins several championships. It's not like Cuban can force Luka to re-sign with the Mavs.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:27 pm    Post subject:

Beir32 wrote:
activeverb wrote:
Beir32 wrote:
activeverb wrote:
Beir32 wrote:
How does a team win .5 of a championship? 🤔


According to some people around here, a half a championship is one you win in a strike-shortened year or in a Bubble.

It’s nothing new that Laker haters will try everything they can to discredit the teams accomplishments. It’s been going on for years. I get it though. When you’re massively successful it comes with the territory. However…

I’ve seen a lot more people who call themselves Lakers fans and post on Lakers websites doing the same things lately that the haters have been doing for years. It’s a new and frankly perplexing development.


I was teasing.

Many people will try to discredit accomplishments that they wish hadn't happen. People do it against the Lakers, and Lakers fans do it against other teams.

Non-Lakers fans will discredit the Bubble ring.

Lakers fans will discredit the Spurs strike-shortened ring.

And on and on.

Gotta admit though there’s a not-so-small part of the fan base that won’t give Lebron credit for anything he does while he’s here. That includes the “bubble chip”.


Oh, yeah. Lebron pushes buttons. There's always been folks here who decided he's failed before the game even begins. A lot of those folks have fled LG since he won a ring as a Laker; I think that event traumatized them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:32 pm    Post subject:

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Good luck trading for Luka.



Luka will be a Mav for life, Cuban wanted him all along and
there is no way he parts ways with him... next !

If Cuban doesn't get Luka a fellow star or superstar for next season, the Mavs won't improve, and it may then be best for Luka to leave the Mavs next summer.

He's only 22, and he has a chance to end up on the same level as MJ/Kobe/Magic/Bird/LeBron if he wins several championships. It's not like Cuban can force Luka to re-sign with the Mavs.


I suspect, like most superstars, Luka will reup with the team that drafted him for a max contract. Players usually don't obsess about their legacy in their early 20s.

And honestly, does that really matter? If Dirk had won three rings instead of one, there would probably be people on LG arguing that he should be on the top 10 of all time list, but I doubt Dirk himself would know or care that was going on.

My guess is a lot of the stuff fans obsess about don't matter to players much.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:22 pm    Post subject:

A real championship is better than several theoretical ones so I have to be satisfied that the Lakers got #17 with the AD trade.

However, I would be in denial if I didn’t at least entertain “what if” scenarios considering what the former Laker young pups are doing around the league.
Bryant Zubac
Randle Nance
Ingram
Russell Hart
Ball Clarkson

That is helluva group of draftees. Had we been able to pull off the original plan of adding two Max players to that group the Lakers would have appeared on paper to be better positioned than where they are now...theoretically...
But I’ll take a real championship
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:36 pm    Post subject:

Hanging from Rafters wrote:
A real championship is better than several theoretical ones so I have to be satisfied that the Lakers got #17 with the AD trade.

However, I would be in denial if I didn’t at least entertain “what if” scenarios considering what the former Laker young pups are doing around the league.
Bryant Zubac
Randle Nance
Ingram
Russell Hart
Ball Clarkson

That is helluva group of draftees. Had we been able to pull off the original plan of adding two Max players to that group the Lakers would have appeared on paper to be better positioned than where they are now...theoretically...
But I’ll take a real championship


If we added two Max players at (minimum) $65,000,000.00, who on that list was going to take a pay cut to stay on the Lakers? Those guys you listed earned $128,000,000.00 last year, with some (Lonzo, Hart, Randle) looking for big raises/extensions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:38 pm    Post subject:

Hanging from Rafters wrote:
A real championship is better than several theoretical ones so I have to be satisfied that the Lakers got #17 with the AD trade.

However, I would be in denial if I didn’t at least entertain “what if” scenarios considering what the former Laker young pups are doing around the league.
Bryant Zubac
Randle Nance
Ingram
Russell Hart
Ball Clarkson

That is helluva group of draftees. Had we been able to pull off the original plan of adding two Max players to that group the Lakers would have appeared on paper to be better positioned than where they are now...theoretically...
But I’ll take a real championship


The theoretical also includes all those guys taking cap friendly deals so that the team could have added two max players and then complementing said max players and then being happy with their diminished roles next to said players. All of that happening is basically impossible--it makes for some nice thought experiments or discussions over some beers, but the ideal situation was never going to materialize.

Like you said, the real championship is worth more than theory. We can second guess all the decisions that led here all we want but at the end of the day they won and we still have Lebron and AD.

I'm sure somewhere on this forum during the Walton era someone probably posted some scenario whereby the Lakers wound up with Lebron and AD and winning a championship and this was brushed off as pipe. Well, they made the pipe dream happen in reality. We all would love for this team to run off 2 or 3 championships in what remains of Lebron's window, but we may have to settle for 1, and that is 1 more than nearly every other team in the NBA. And nearly every one of those other GMs would have made the same deals if you told them they'd get a championship out of it. At the very least Rob has bought himself some job security over a GM who is always collecting young assets, never flipping them and wallowing in the lottery.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:52 pm    Post subject:

It was known that there was a small window to add the two Max players before the draftees exited their rookie deals. While those deals were in place the team had the cap space to add two max of layers without pay cuts. The following years would have been a challenge tho as the rookie deals began to expire, first Randle then DLO and Ingram, Clarkson had already signed a team friendly extension and Randle was restricted

The team had the cap space or was very close.

Not the point tho... Even tho we had the room for two max, perhaps we still would not or maybe so ...won a championship. Compare that to actually winning a real not theoretical championship, I prefer the real one.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:35 pm    Post subject:

Hanging from Rafters wrote:
It was known that there was a small window to add the two Max players before the draftees exited their rookie deals. While those deals were in place the team had the cap space to add two max of layers without pay cuts. The following years would have been a challenge tho as the rookie deals began to expire, first Randle then DLO and Ingram, Clarkson had already signed a team friendly extension and Randle was restricted

The team had the cap space or was very close.

Not the point tho... Even tho we had the room for two max, perhaps we still would not or maybe so ...won a championship. Compare that to actually winning a real not theoretical championship, I prefer the real one.


Give me that ring all day. Laker fans are spoiled. I’ve experienced more joy as a true laker fan than some other fans will ever enjoy.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:04 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
slavavov wrote:
deal wrote:
nevitt_smrek wrote:
Good luck trading for Luka.



Luka will be a Mav for life, Cuban wanted him all along and
there is no way he parts ways with him... next !

If Cuban doesn't get Luka a fellow star or superstar for next season, the Mavs won't improve, and it may then be best for Luka to leave the Mavs next summer.

He's only 22, and he has a chance to end up on the same level as MJ/Kobe/Magic/Bird/LeBron if he wins several championships. It's not like Cuban can force Luka to re-sign with the Mavs.


I suspect, like most superstars, Luka will reup with the team that drafted him for a max contract. Players usually don't obsess about their legacy in their early 20s.

And honestly, does that really matter? If Dirk had won three rings instead of one, there would probably be people on LG arguing that he should be on the top 10 of all time list, but I doubt Dirk himself would know or care that was going on.

My guess is a lot of the stuff fans obsess about don't matter to players much.



Yep. Luka is Cuban’s new Dirk; lots of pie in the sky here but,
that’s what it is..
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:55 am    Post subject:

slavavov wrote:
deal wrote:
nevitt_smrek wrote:
Good luck trading for Luka.



Luka will be a Mav for life, Cuban wanted him all along and
there is no way he parts ways with him... next !

If Cuban doesn't get Luka a fellow star or superstar for next season, the Mavs won't improve, and it may then be best for Luka to leave the Mavs next summer.

He's only 22, and he has a chance to end up on the same level as MJ/Kobe/Magic/Bird/LeBron if he wins several championships. It's not like Cuban can force Luka to re-sign with the Mavs.


Mavs are a great franchise. If he's the next Lebron, there's going to be a really long lists of FAs wanting to play with him. I don't think the Mavs would have trouble finding multiple superstars to pair up with him. Only way he's leaving Dallas for LA is if he wanted the Hollywood spotlight like Shaq or Lebron but it doesn't look like he's gonna be those types of players.
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