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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:42 am    Post subject:

Add DRose too and invest in old newspaper and bubble wrap.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 10:51 am    Post subject:

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We already have Kuzma

It is not even close.

Porinzgis has some weaknesses, but even for Dallas, he was great at spacing the floor for them so teams can not get on Luka on his drives. Imagine the experience and reps he has playing off Luka, now only with Bron. Bron is less aggressive a scorer than Luka right now in his career. so Porzingis would get even more shots IMO.

The thing is, injuries. Physical play. He neither has shown he can stay healthy, nor has he shown he can defend elite physical 5s. So we will still need a physical big to back him up at the 5.

I would not go for it if it cost a lot, but if it were a straight up swap for Kuzma, it would not even be a question for me. You can not teach floor spacing and rim protection at the 5 to Kuz. It was one our big weaknesses in the Suns series that got exposed.


Straight for Kuz is not how the NBA salary cap works. Just FYI.


Kuz and Trezz doesn't even work. You'd need to do Kuz and KCP AND take on salary. Hard pass. He's just so fragile and does not shoot the volume we need from three to affect spacing that much. Based on regular season stats, you're arguably trading away better 3p shooting in Kuz/KCP than you're getting back in return.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:27 am    Post subject: Re: Kristaps Porziņģis is not happy with the Mavs ...

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He will be a great addition if the Lakers got him...

Porzingis / Davis / Lebron at the frontcourt .... DAMN !

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/mavericks-kristaps-porzingis-frustrated-luka-doncic/c9wr9qftxq3g1621ydvzlq8wo

Softest and most fragile front court



No D and the Clippers defended him with a wing...pretty fragile
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:32 am    Post subject:

Double giraffe front court. No thanks. Get a bulldog like Howard.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:54 am    Post subject:

Lets see... he just came off shooting 37% from three for the season. Then shot 29% from threes for the playoffs. If we get him, like everyone else who dons the p&g, the percentage will drop. I expect him to be closer to his playoff % from three because the pressure in the playoffs is probably the same as playing for the Lakers and the expectations of hitting an open three when Lebron just hit you with the pass.

The term "stretch 5" simply implies that a tall dude shoot threes. It doesn't say anything about his success rate. LOL! Just another mid 30's three pt shooter. He'll give us the same ups and downs as Kuzma, KCP, etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:55 am    Post subject:

The question is this.

Is the 30m+/year Porky in your team's closing lineup on the Lakers?

No. It will be AD at the 5, LBJ at the 4 and the filling out the rest.

So spending 30m+/year for Porky really makes no sense. Better to use those assets on wings/guards that can finish with AD/LBJ.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:03 pm    Post subject:

The Boban/Porzingis frontcourt was so tall yet so soft.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:18 pm    Post subject:

Runway8 wrote:
Lets see... he just came off shooting 37% from three for the season. Then shot 29% from threes for the playoffs. If we get him, like everyone else who dons the p&g, the percentage will drop. I expect him to be closer to his playoff % from three because the pressure in the playoffs is probably the same as playing for the Lakers and the expectations of hitting an open three when Lebron just hit you with the pass.

The term "stretch 5" simply implies that a tall dude shoot threes. It doesn't say anything about his success rate. LOL! Just another mid 30's three pt shooter. He'll give us the same ups and downs as Kuzma, KCP, etc.



1. A stretch 4 or 5 is a PF or center who can generate offense farther away from the basket. In the modern era, this means someone who shoots 3s at sufficient volume and effectiveness to affect the defense. A center who shoots 3s so poorly that he gets no attention wouldn't be a stretch 5 in my view.

2. Porziņģis has only been in two playoff series in his career. He shot 29.6% on 3s this year, and 52.9% last year so I wouldn't make any generalizations about his future playoff performance.

3. I know it's commonly accepted wisdom on LG that players shoot worse when they become Lakers. While people like to cherrypick a few examples to make their case, overall players shoot about the same for us as they shoot for other teams during their career. There really isn't a Lakers shooting curse as some imagine.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:22 pm    Post subject:

If you can talk yourself into Porzingis, then Kevin Love is the guy you should be going for.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:32 pm    Post subject:

KP is in no position to be unhappy about anything after that playoff performance of 1 decent game out of 7 and then THIS:

2021-22 $31,650,600
2022-23 $33,833,400
2023-24 $36,016,200 PO

That said, here's your chance to shine Rob......S&T Schroder at 31M/yr
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:38 pm    Post subject:

I feel like having a player making 30m really handicaps your cap situation if that player isn't an all star level player. Davis is basically paid $32m this year.

I think we may see some teams trying to pawn off large non-all star $30m+ deals to get 2-3 pieces to break it down. I would not pursue any $30m+ players unless they really move the needle, and Porky is not that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:52 pm    Post subject:

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3. I know it's commonly accepted wisdom on LG that players shoot worse when they become Lakers. While people like to cherrypick a few examples to make their case, overall players shoot about the same for us as they shoot for other teams during their career. There really isn't a Lakers shooting curse as some imagine.


- Entire offense goes to hell because the + (or double-team-demanding) offensive players are hobbled/off-the-floor
- Shooters don't get space or don't get shots in rhythm and shoot low percentage
- fans look at 3 point percentage and deduce shooters shot really poorly
- fans conclude that the fault is with the 3-point shooting
- said shooter is traded / let go of, and goes to another team. Said shooter is given a shooting role where a double-team-demanding star creates opportunities for said shooter. Said shooter shoots like an NBA shooter
- LG envies said shooter and reinvigorates the meme "shooters dont shoot when on the Lakers"
- Rinse and repeat
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:55 pm    Post subject:

No thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:56 pm    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
If you can talk yourself into Porzingis, then Kevin Love is the guy you should be going for.


What’s the difference between Kevin Love & Porzingis? Nothing.. both can’t stay healthy so if we are getting 1 of them we need another quality piece coming back.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:13 pm    Post subject:

He's a bluff
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:28 pm    Post subject:

In the playoffs he averaged 13 pts/ 5 rebounds shooting less than 47% fg and <30% 3pt as a 7 footer. He only takes jumpshots and might be the softest big man Ive ever seen.

AD at the 5 is by far our most effective way to use him. What you need is vet minimum centers who can soak up regular season minutes and are also fine with being benched in the playoffs, IE thats why javale and dwight were so good for us. They knew their role and weren't going to pout if they got benched. Spending big money on the center position is the last thing we need when AD is by far our best center in the playoffs.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:30 pm    Post subject:

lakersfever714 wrote:
Double giraffe front court. No thanks. Get a bulldog like Howard.


its very clear that the people that still cling to Dwight haven't been watching him this year.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:30 pm    Post subject:

yinoma2001 wrote:
Porky at 30m to play for 60% of the year and disappear during the playoffs? Uh no.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:32 pm    Post subject:

Porzingis a 20 ppg center that can stretch the floor paired with LeBron and Anthony Davis.

Ya'll watched Andre Drummond.... and you think Porzingis wouldn't help?

Think of it this way, the Lakers get a clear 20 ppg scorer in Porzingis, a big whom can stretch the floor and score in the high post, which means the paint is more open for LeBron and the spacing problems are fixed in that regard.

Porzingis would be our 3rd option instead of our 2nd option.

He'd have a FULL Off-season of work as opposed to none (which he had with the Mavs and was still a 20 ppg scorer).

Like it or not, Porzingis is a perfect fit at center next to LeBron, and I'd gladly move KCP and Kuzma together if it meant landing him.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:51 pm    Post subject:

Sign and trade DS for him. I’ll take that deal in a second.

Funny enough, DS would actually be a decent fit on a Mavs team that desperately needs another ball handler.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:54 pm    Post subject:

He WAS a great talent but that ACL injury on that 7'3" frame just scares me.

His inability to play even 75% of the season scares me.

I rather just try and get a big like Lauri Markannen that's 1/3 the cost and is only tied up for 1 yr.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:01 pm    Post subject:

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3. I know it's commonly accepted wisdom on LG that players shoot worse when they become Lakers. While people like to cherrypick a few examples to make their case, overall players shoot about the same for us as they shoot for other teams during their career. There really isn't a Lakers shooting curse as some imagine.


- Entire offense goes to hell because the + (or double-team-demanding) offensive players are hobbled/off-the-floor
- Shooters don't get space or don't get shots in rhythm and shoot low percentage
- fans look at 3 point percentage and deduce shooters shot really poorly
- fans conclude that the fault is with the 3-point shooting
- said shooter is traded / let go of, and goes to another team. Said shooter is given a shooting role where a double-team-demanding star creates opportunities for said shooter. Said shooter shoots like an NBA shooter
- LG envies said shooter and reinvigorates the meme "shooters dont shoot when on the Lakers"
- Rinse and repeat


I think it's more simple than that.

1. When we acquire players, and they shoot 3-pointers at their career average rather than their career highs, some fans think they have underperformed.

-- People think Steve Blake lost his shooting touch as a Laker even though he shot 3-pointers for us at his exact career average of 38.3%

2. Fans tend to remember the players who shot 3-pointers poorly, and forget the ones who shot well.

-- People bag on Wes Matthews, but no mentions how KCP 3-point shooting is so much better as a Laker.

3. Because some fans have bought into the myth that players lose their 3-point touch as Lakers, they get it stuck in their head that some players shot more poorly for us than they actually did.

-- We had one fan say how badly Eddie Jones shot in the playoffs for us even though he actually shot 43% on 3-pointers in the playoffs -- better than he did for any of the four other teams he played for.


I don't think the myth will ever disappear because it ties into the martyr complex that a lot of Lakers fans have.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:09 pm    Post subject:

Now's not the time to be conservative with talent. We can't do another year of AD/LeBron do everything. We have Schroeder to take some of the pressure off them, but we need a "3rd" star on this team. Even if its right on the edge of all-star talent such as Porzingis.

Sometimes you can't add a Lillard or a Beal to the situation with two superstars. Sometimes Porzingis is the best you can hope to get and you're thankful for it because if its between Drummond or Porzingis, I'm picking Porzingis.

Porzingis used to be an "A" talent and now he's more of a "B/B+" talent, but that talent is still a 20 ppg scorer in the league at center. that is capable of stretching the floor. That's important.

Putting him on a team with AD and LeBron where he's the 3rd option would be very solid and an outright steal for the way our team is constructed. I'd package KCP/Kuzma/22nd for Porzingis in a heartbeat.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:09 pm    Post subject:

pjiddy wrote:
If you can talk yourself into Porzingis, then Kevin Love is the guy you should be going for.


Kuz+KCP+Gasol should get either done

Gilbert and Cuban prob both say no...which is a good thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:11 pm    Post subject:

just say no to tall thin body type players. Their body won't hold up, just see AD's. only exception is KG, but neither AD nor Pork has KG's work ethic and fight.
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