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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:12 pm    Post subject:

Dr. Laker wrote:
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Coaching generally is overrated at the NBA level.

No coach is winning with AD limping around and LeBron playing at maybe 65% with the majority of the role players slumping miserably.

That would take a REALLY good coaching scheme.


Bingo.

Vogel is solid. You guys need to quit pissing & moaning.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:15 pm    Post subject:

waterman40 wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
Coaching generally is overrated at the NBA level.

No coach is winning with AD limping around and LeBron playing at maybe 65% with the majority of the role players slumping miserably.

That would take a REALLY good coaching scheme.


Bingo.

Vogel is solid. You guys need to quit pissing & moaning.


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I do think he warrants some fair share of criticism. Last year, I thought he did a great job with his substitution patterns with role & starter players. The team had a lot more continuity & obviously good health.

This year, he probably experimented with lineups all year long without having solved for any that worked. Game 4 of the playoffs and he’s starting a lineup that has never played with each other in the season when AD went down. We have one offensive system - give AD & Lebron the ball. For the entirety of the season, we don’t have a single lineup we trust to at least hold the lead while those two are out of the game. We had no offense without Lebron. Phoenix & Utah know what players they can play when their two stars are out of the game. When you experiment all year long and don’t find any lineups that work you deserve that feedback. I think if Monty Williams or Quin Snyder were our HC, they would have handled the cards dealt differently.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:03 pm    Post subject:

A "real" coach would have been able to formulate an offense to maximize our guys when AD or LeBron isn't on the floor. How many injuries have we seen hurt top teams, and yet and still those teams were more competitive than we were AND advanced in the Playoffs.

There's no excuses for the "offense" Vogel tried to implement this year, which was no offense at all.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 3:26 am    Post subject:

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BRING BACK THE TRIANGLE OFFENSE


Too slow against a heavy 3 point NBA.


Okay Frank Vowel 🤣 Too slow 🤣 Funniest thing I've heard
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:50 am    Post subject:

waterman40 wrote:
Dr. Laker wrote:
LakerLanny wrote:
Coaching generally is overrated at the NBA level.

No coach is winning with AD limping around and LeBron playing at maybe 65% with the majority of the role players slumping miserably.

That would take a REALLY good coaching scheme.


Bingo.

Vogel is solid. You guys need to quit pissing & moaning.


+2


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The same way it is obvious when we are missing talent at certain positions, it is obvious when the coach is failing at his position. It was obvious that Vogel didn't have an offensive gameplan. He is a defensive taskmaster just like Thibbs and they both deserve the boot.

Last year we had the same problem with a different supporting cast, luckily having older veterans with championship experience (Green, Howard, and Rondo).

You remove the leadership and coaching ability (Rondo) from the team and it's become glaringly clear the ineptitude of the head coach. The proof is in his Orlando stint where Magic fans on forums were also baffled by Vogel lack of planning offensively.

- No offensive strategy
- No offensive schemes
- No solid rotations all year
- Inability to maximize player potential
- Inability to motivate role players
- Lineup dependence heavy on Lebron & AD
- No working postseason defensive adjustments
- No working postseason offseason adjustments

Now we can accept this one-dimensional coach and try to make it work, but let's call a fig a fig.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:03 pm    Post subject:

Don’t be fooled by our success last season. Give credits to him for getting on our players to play defense but he has nothing on the offensive end. Our offense is run by a healthy LBJ and AD, that’s all. There’s no such thing as a next man up for our team becoz we don’t have plan for role players.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:45 pm    Post subject:

Who are the top offensive coordinator candidates out there, that are good fits for Vogel's staff and this roster?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:39 pm    Post subject:

i love me some Nick Van Exel. is he still with the grizzlies? how's his "X's and O's"? could he serve as Vogel's offensive coordinator?

he'll always be a Laker in my book. the players would respect him. even Dennis, who wishes he was as clutch as Nick the Quick.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:56 pm    Post subject:

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Don’t be fooled by our success last season. Give credits to him for getting on our players to play defense but he has nothing on the offensive end. Our offense is run by a healthy LBJ and AD, that’s all. There’s no such thing as a next man up for our team becoz we don’t have plan for role players.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:36 am    Post subject:

Interesting video of Gilbert exposing Vogel's offensive philosophy or lack thereof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iSOc5okpVA

I'm not a fan of his takes, but he's dead accurate about not applying enough offensive pressure on a team with a 36 year old Chris Paul as their best defensive player. Said THT was one guy who could changed the tide of the series, simply because guys like Booker and Paul would have to work on the defensive end.

Also said that dropping 2 games to the Heat, a team without a top 20 talent, was a huge warning sign last year.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 9:48 am    Post subject:

KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Interesting video of Gilbert exposing Vogel's offensive philosophy or lack thereof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iSOc5okpVA

I'm not a fan of his takes, but he's dead accurate about not applying enough offensive pressure on a team with a 36 year old Chris Paul as their best defensive player. Said THT was one guy who could changed the tide of the series, simply because guys like Booker and Paul would have to work on the defensive end.

Also said that dropping 2 games to the Heat, a team without a top 20 talent, was a huge warning sign last year.


made some valid points. He complained that we don't have enough shooters for spacing but want to have LBJ/AD/KUZ/TREZ/DRUMM line up

I said it many times, even healthy we are not winning this year. Last year we got extremely lucky. It took us 6 games to beat Miami when Bam and Dragic were injured.
we played gassed out Portland and Nuggets.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 1:26 pm    Post subject:

Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:13 am    Post subject:

No, we can't keep with the coaching merry-go-round. We do need to get Vogel a more apt offensive coordinator though. I seriously believe Rondo was the unnoficial one last year.

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Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:11 am    Post subject:

KindCrippler2000 wrote:
Interesting video of Gilbert exposing Vogel's offensive philosophy or lack thereof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iSOc5okpVA


Him giving THT props, I think THT attacking CP3/Booker was a missed opportunity by Vogel.

Around the 4:00 min mark when he talks about Vogel wanting to play more defense instead of offense, i totally agree with.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:56 am    Post subject:

oaktown_dimond wrote:
No, we can't keep with the coaching merry-go-round. We do need to get Vogel a more apt offensive coordinator though. I seriously believe Rondo was the unnoficial one last year.

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


Rondo is a genius. He is the reason clips came back from 0-2 down.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:04 am    Post subject:

roger_federer wrote:
oaktown_dimond wrote:
No, we can't keep with the coaching merry-go-round. We do need to get Vogel a more apt offensive coordinator though. I seriously believe Rondo was the unnoficial one last year.

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


Rondo is a genius. He is the reason clips came back from 0-2 down.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 10:23 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


Mavs would have to be dumb to do that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 3:52 pm    Post subject:

roger_federer wrote:
oaktown_dimond wrote:
No, we can't keep with the coaching merry-go-round. We do need to get Vogel a more apt offensive coordinator though. I seriously believe Rondo was the unnoficial one last year.

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


Rondo is a genius. He is the reason clips came back from 0-2 down.


You're clearly not watching the games
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:15 pm    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


No
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 7:51 am    Post subject:

AD23 wrote:
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Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


No


Ehh, Carlisle??? The same one who played Boban to Death in that series??
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 8:25 am    Post subject:

Inspector Gadget wrote:
Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?

No, but I wouldn't mind having him as assistant if the characters and egos mesh.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:26 am    Post subject:

Wouldn't mind a Kidd-Carlisle swap myself.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:35 am    Post subject:

Extension time.
Also, expecting some revamp to the offense due to some roster changes with the some snipers.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:36 am    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
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Question: If Rick Carlisle is canned by the Mavericks would you fire Vogel to bring him in as HC?


Mavs would have to be dumb to do that.


Confirmed: Cuban is dumb.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2021 12:43 pm    Post subject:

we're not getting rid of vogel. dude was just a champion 2 seasons ago. he was blind sided by injuries this year. and as long as LBJ and AD like him, he stays.

we do need a more offensive minded assistant though.
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