Kareem, Kobe, Magic, Lebron, Jordan - Give me another 5 that can take them
Goto page 1, 2  Next
 
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> General Basketball Discussion Reply to topic
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
nomoreshaq
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Posts: 5137

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:16 am    Post subject: Kareem, Kobe, Magic, Lebron, Jordan - Give me another 5 that can take them

All in their primes:

Kareem - 5
Lebron - 4
Kobe - 3
Jordan - 2
Magic - 1

This is my all-time team. Can anyone come up with another lineup that can take them? And, none of this "Wilt can play PG, Hakeem at SG, Russell at SF, Shaq at PF" kinda stuff. Like, legitimate positions they actually played in/logged in minutes at.

Kareem obviously is the 5.
Lebron came in as a 3 but has been a 3/4 his whole career.
Kobe is a little undersized to be a 3 (i guess) but him and MJ can swap the 2/3 spots whole damn game and either/or could obviously man the 2/3 spots.
Magic would be a SF/PF now but he historically played 1 his whole career.

The amount of interchangeability would be absolutely insane.

Kobe - 1/2/3
Magic - 1/2/3/4/5
Jordan - 1/2/3
Lebron - 1/2/3/4/5
Kareem - 5
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Halflife
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 15 Aug 2015
Posts: 16656

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:26 am    Post subject:

dream
TD
Pip
mitch Rich
ja
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
LakersRGolden
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 13 Jan 2002
Posts: 7910
Location: Lake Forest

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:02 am    Post subject:

How is the game ref'd? Today's rules?

1) Oscar
2) Klay
3) KD
4) AD
5) Wilt
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Aeneas Hunter
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 31763

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:05 am    Post subject: Re: Kareem, Kobe, Magic, Lebron, Jordan - Give me another 5 that can take them

nomoreshaq wrote:
All in their primes:

Kareem - 5
Lebron - 4
Kobe - 3
Jordan - 2
Magic - 1

This is my all-time team. Can anyone come up with another lineup that can take them? And, none of this "Wilt can play PG, Hakeem at SG, Russell at SF, Shaq at PF" kinda stuff. Like, legitimate positions they actually played in/logged in minutes at.


Eh. Lebron isn't a 4, and Kobe isn't a 3. But then you challenge us to name players at "legitimate positions." You've got four players who need the ball in their hands. It's one thing to say that those are the best five players of all time, but it's another thing to say that this would be the best lineup

Suppose we went with Wilt, Duncan, Bird, West, and Curry. I just picked those players off the top of my head. You might rate all of those guys lower than your top five, but at least these five are all playing in their natural positions. The lineup also has balance, in that it has a real 4 and several players who can play off the ball. Your lineup would get killed in the paint and outside the three point line.
_________________
Internet Argument Resolved
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
activeverb
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 17 Jun 2006
Posts: 37470

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:24 am    Post subject:

nomoreshaq wrote:
All in their primes:

Kareem - 5
Lebron - 4
Kobe - 3
Jordan - 2
Magic - 1

This is my all-time team. Can anyone come up with another lineup that can take them? And, none of this "Wilt can play PG, Hakeem at SG, Russell at SF, Shaq at PF" kinda stuff. Like, legitimate positions they actually played in/logged in minutes at.

Kareem obviously is the 5.
Lebron came in as a 3 but has been a 3/4 his whole career.
Kobe is a little undersized to be a 3 (i guess) but him and MJ can swap the 2/3 spots whole damn game and either/or could obviously man the 2/3 spots.
Magic would be a SF/PF now but he historically played 1 his whole career.

The amount of interchangeability would be absolutely insane.

Kobe - 1/2/3
Magic - 1/2/3/4/5
Jordan - 1/2/3
Lebron - 1/2/3/4/5
Kareem - 5



(1) I find it a little odd that you are telling other people they can't scramble positions, when you are doing that by putting Kobe at SF when he was really a shooting guard and Lebron at PF when he is really a SF.

(2) Your team seems just to pick the best guy at each position without regard to how they fit together. So I don't really see your selection as the best team, but as the best guys at their individual positions.

(3) In any case, I could take some of your 5 and switch out some of them with other players, such as Bird or Duncan, and I think they would be just as good if not better. So I don't necessarily think yours is the ultimate starting 5, though of course it is very good.

(4) If you are saying another starting 5 couldn't use any of the 5 guys you picked, I can think of some combinations of guys who might not be as good individually on paper but might work better or work just as well on the court.

So ...

My top 5 of all time based on the position they mostly played (based on their individual ability rather than how I think they would work as a team):

Magic, Jordan, Lebron, Duncan, Kareem

Here is one combination of 5 different guys, who, while perhaps not as good individually, I think might fit together better as a team than your collection of ball-dominant players who aren’t great shooters and thus beat them:

Hakeem, Duncan, Bird, Curry, Oscar
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Mark_in_Tulsa
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 11 Jul 2005
Posts: 12975

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:44 am    Post subject:

Ahh.... are we playing this game based on how they called the game in the 80's/90's or the pussyfication of the league now?
_________________
Think about how stupid the avg. person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

---George Carlin
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
MookieBetts50
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 22 Jul 2020
Posts: 1937

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:48 am    Post subject:

Can't add MJ that's cheating, he was never a Laker!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
32
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 04 Nov 2009
Posts: 73041

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:01 pm    Post subject:

PG: Magic
SG: MJ
SF: Lebron
PF: Duncan
C: Wilt or Kareem (flip a coin)
_________________
Nobody in the NBA can touch the Laker brand, which, like the uniform color, is pure gold.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
CandyCanes
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 24 Dec 2007
Posts: 35750
Location: Santa Clarita, CA (Hell) ->>>>>Ithaca, NY -≥≥≥≥≥Berkeley, CA

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:11 pm    Post subject:

Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Larry Bird
Tim Duncan
Patrick Ewing
_________________
Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Reply with quote
governator
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 24996

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:14 pm    Post subject:

Bron
Kobe
AD
Wilt
Kareem
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
activeverb
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 17 Jun 2006
Posts: 37470

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:17 pm    Post subject:

Mark_in_Tulsa wrote:
Ahh.... are we playing this game based on how they called the game in the 80's/90's or the pussyfication of the league now?


Well, not only how the game is called, but how it is played.

If we saying they play in Showtime era, where the average team might only take 2 three pointers the entire game, Curry will be less valuable than he is in the modern era.

Conversely, if we are using the amazing time machine, do we assume Magic grew up knowing how important the 3-pointer would become and thus he's much better at it?

There are a lot of wrinkles like that if you are thinking about how guys will actually play together on the court. It's more complicated than just naming 5 great players.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
kikanga
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 15 Sep 2012
Posts: 29150
Location: La La Land

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 12:23 pm    Post subject:

With a lineup that big and interchangeable even a guy like Steph would be exposed.

These are all guys who were the best players on championship teams.

And it’s tough thinking of 5 other guys that could challenge them. Center position is the easiest. There’s Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem.
But every other position is rough. Bird would probably struggle with the length and athleticism of your 5. I think Duncan or Garnett at the 4 could hold their own. Dirk was a beast that 1 championship year too. Giannis is a beast too.

I think it’s safe to say Wade is the 3rd best SG all time. Could prolly get away with running him at the 1.

Best I can do is
PG- Wade
SG- Kawhi
SF- Durant
PF- Garnett/Duncan
C- Wilt/Giannis

Wade at 6’4” is obviously the weak link. I could throw a big Guard in there instead but they wouldn’t be the overall player prime Wade was.
_________________
"Every hurt is a lesson, and every lesson makes you better”
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Balto
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 25 Jun 2019
Posts: 603

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:05 pm    Post subject:

Your Team:
PG: Magic
SG: Jordan
SF: Kobe
PF: Lebron
C: Kareem

My Team:
PG: Lebron
SG: Jordan
SF: Kobe
PF: Duncan
C: Shaq
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Megaton
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 18 Feb 2015
Posts: 25624

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:29 pm    Post subject:

Magic
Kobe
Lebron
AD
Wilt

Good luck stopping this team in transition and getting through that defense.
_________________
Darvin Scam: https://media.tenor.com/images/3c15249955860a4b16b59e8ae035fb75/tenor.gif
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
epic_
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 23 Jan 2020
Posts: 11310

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:57 pm    Post subject:

Your Team:
PG: Magic
SG: Jordan
SF: Kobe
PF: Lebron
C: Kareem

Balto's Team:
PG: Lebron
SG: Jordan
SF: Kobe
PF: Duncan
C: Shaq

My Team:
PG: Lebron
SG: Kobe
SF: Jordan
PF: AD
C: Dream
_________________
💜💛 🏆 👀 🍖 #18!!!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Halflife
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 15 Aug 2015
Posts: 16656

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:58 pm    Post subject:

i didnt realize we could add players from posters team

90-early 2000s rules

shag
TD
Pip
Kobe
trae
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
nomoreshaq
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Posts: 5137

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 3:45 pm    Post subject:

magic vs lebron
jordan vs kobe
bird vs durant
malone vs duncan
hakeem vs shaq

80s/90s vs 2000/10s
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Intlakeshow
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 21 Jun 2017
Posts: 729

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:41 pm    Post subject:

Rasho Nesterovic
Nikoloz Tskitishvili
brian scalabrine
Sun Yue
Smush Parker

That's it, lock it up, it's ovah.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Kobetan
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 05 Sep 2020
Posts: 2941

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:13 pm    Post subject:

Just for the fun of it, assuming it's the soft 'play to draw fouls and reward flopping' league:

CP3
Trae
Harden
Luka
Embiid?

Basically playing 8 on 5 all day with refs on their side
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Outspoken
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 11 Feb 2015
Posts: 8447

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:46 pm    Post subject:

You named all Lakers, except Jordan. Why not include James Worthy or Elgin Baylor and remove Jordan? Lakers have enough all time talent to beat created all time NBA talent.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
LakersInFour
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 16 Apr 2001
Posts: 6725
Location: New Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 6:51 pm    Post subject:

No one could beat a team with Jordan and Kobe on it - they're 1-2 at the same position. There's simply no one in history that even approaches MJ or Kobe at the 2 guard.

But if the rules are that Kobe and Jordan could not be on the same team, then you can construct many iterations of teams that would be competitive. For example:

Kareem - 5
Duncan - 4
Lebron - 3
Jordan - 2
Magic - 1

vs

Wilt - 5
Garnet - 4
Bird - 3
Kobe - 2
Oscar - 1

That's a pickem game.

There are many iterations of a competitive matchup you can form as long as you stick to the rule that Kobe and Jordan can not be on the same team.
_________________
"It’s like going to the Getty and standing in front of Van Gogh’s Irises while some schmuck next to you critiques individual brush strokes. Just shut up already. The more you talk, the more you embarrass yourself."
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
CandyCanes
Retired Number
Retired Number


Joined: 24 Dec 2007
Posts: 35750
Location: Santa Clarita, CA (Hell) ->>>>>Ithaca, NY -≥≥≥≥≥Berkeley, CA

PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:17 pm    Post subject:

LakersInFour wrote:
No one could beat a team with Jordan and Kobe on it - they're 1-2 at the same position. There's simply no one in history that even approaches MJ or Kobe at the 2 guard.

But if the rules are that Kobe and Jordan could not be on the same team, then you can construct many iterations of teams that would be competitive. For example:

Kareem - 5
Duncan - 4
Lebron - 3
Jordan - 2
Magic - 1

vs

Wilt - 5
Garnet - 4
Bird - 3
Kobe - 2
Oscar - 1

That's a pickem game.

There are many iterations of a competitive matchup you can form as long as you stick to the rule that Kobe and Jordan can not be on the same team.


What about Wade or Harden?
_________________
Damian Lillard shatters Dwight Coward's championship dreams:

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Reply with quote
Robblake
Starting Rotation
Starting Rotation


Joined: 05 Aug 2020
Posts: 900

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:24 am    Post subject:

Lebron
Kobe
Klaw
Duncan
Shaq

Explosive offense and clamps on defense
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
waterman40
Star Player
Star Player


Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Posts: 6280
Location: Central Coast

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:05 am    Post subject:

If you are making this thread, you have to choose either Kobe or MJ as your shooting guard. Neither are legit. SF's. Otherwise...

PG Captain America
SG Ironman
SF Hulk
PF Spiderman
C Thor
_________________
LAKERS 2019-2020: NBA World Champions!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
RG73
Franchise Player
Franchise Player


Joined: 14 Jul 2001
Posts: 11508

PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:03 am    Post subject:

waterman40 wrote:
If you are making this thread, you have to choose either Kobe or MJ as your shooting guard. Neither are legit. SF's. Otherwise...

PG Captain America
SG Ironman
SF Hulk
PF Spiderman
C Thor


Everyone knows Hulk is a 5 and Thor is a 4. Spidey is a 2/3. Cap and Stark battle for who runs the point.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Reply with quote
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic    LakersGround.net Forum Index -> General Basketball Discussion All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2  Next
Page 1 of 2
Jump to:  

 
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum






Graphics by uberzev
© 1995-2018 LakersGround.net. All Rights Reserved. Privacy Policy. Terms of Use.
LakersGround is an unofficial news source serving the fan community since 1995.
We are in no way associated with the Los Angeles Lakers or the National Basketball Association.


Powered by phpBB