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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:55 pm    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
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So Lebron isn't outraged when black people kill other black people or black people kill and attack Asians but he's outraged when a cop saves a black life?


this is quite a spin

How is it spin? Please explain?

Bron wasn't outraged because a cop saves a black lives... this is such a spin

So he's outraged because a cop had to take a life to save a life? Was he outraged when those cops escorted him to that concert in Miami going the opposite direction of traffic?


Maybe you should find some quiet time and leave serious discussions to the grown ups.
I don't believe I've violated any rules or terms of service so please just ban me if you're not going to allow differing opinions on this board.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:06 pm    Post subject:

Pau Gasol's Beard wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Pau Gasol's Beard wrote:
governator wrote:
Pau Gasol's Beard wrote:
governator wrote:
Pau Gasol's Beard wrote:
So Lebron isn't outraged when black people kill other black people or black people kill and attack Asians but he's outraged when a cop saves a black life?


this is quite a spin

How is it spin? Please explain?

Bron wasn't outraged because a cop saves a black lives... this is such a spin

So he's outraged because a cop had to take a life to save a life? Was he outraged when those cops escorted him to that concert in Miami going the opposite direction of traffic?


Maybe you should find some quiet time and leave serious discussions to the grown ups.
I don't believe I've violated any rules or terms of service so please just ban me if you're not going to allow differing opinions on this board.


You did t violate the rules, hence not being banned. You just don’t have anything remotely associated with an empathetic or adult viewpoint, hence the direct critique. The “you don’t allow different viewpoints because you disagreed with mine” take is again, not an adult form of communication.

But let me address your issues on the merits:

Being vocally against an egregious abuse of state power to murder people in a pervasively racist way doesn’t mean not being against murder committed by criminals. It doesn’t, to use a different example, make one a hypocrite (the charge you’re leveling) to be a vocal proponent of immediate large scale action on COVID without also mentioning every other thing that people die of already. One is not a hypocrite to go after government corruption without also having to point out each time that ordinary citizens steal too (and even people of the same ethnicity as the activist). It’s actually a common if illogical and transparent attempt to deflect from the issue being raised by speciously attempting to illustrate this patently false dichotomy.

The “saving a black life” summary is yet another rather transparent attempt to mislead. First, it reduces the idea of BLM to one shooting where there was another potential victim, the better to seize some temporary “high ground” narrative in a sea of shootings that do not have that component (this is called gross hypocrisy, since you will note that your original accusation is only wanting to discuss police killing a black person while ignoring black people killing black and Asian people, while doing the exact thing you’re accusing another of, in this case cherry picking police shootings of black people. You’re in essence being a hypocrite ABOUT hypocrisy). Second, you’ve taken a complex situation and removed all context, nuance, or ambiguity. The entirety of the incident was not just the moment where the cop fired at the girl attacking the other person with a knife. There are a lot of unknowns about who the original aggressor(s) were, when the cop knew about the knife, and what actions were or should have been taken (there are enormous amounts of both video and anecdotal evidence of cops not using deadly force to stop knife wielding suspects, for example). And given the spate of recent shootings and the heat of the Chauvin trial, there seems to be some latitude we would give the victims of egregious police violence to question the validity of the shooting. We should in fact have that as a null position in all cop shootings, that we are highly skeptical. This should be the burden of that power, that you will be scrutinized heavily whenever you use it.

I won’t get into the police escort thing too heavily, because I think we all know that was just another patently silly false dichotomy. Being given a police escort does not and should not mean that you are forever barred from commenting on murder and possible murder committed by those or any other police officers. The idea is ludicrous on its face and indicative of both a poor underlying argument and also the corrupt concept that those who get special privileges should then have the backs of those who provide them.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:12 am    Post subject:

Omar Little wrote:
Pau Gasol's Beard wrote:
Omar Little wrote:
Pau Gasol's Beard wrote:
governator wrote:
Pau Gasol's Beard wrote:
governator wrote:
Pau Gasol's Beard wrote:
So Lebron isn't outraged when black people kill other black people or black people kill and attack Asians but he's outraged when a cop saves a black life?


this is quite a spin

How is it spin? Please explain?

Bron wasn't outraged because a cop saves a black lives... this is such a spin

So he's outraged because a cop had to take a life to save a life? Was he outraged when those cops escorted him to that concert in Miami going the opposite direction of traffic?


Maybe you should find some quiet time and leave serious discussions to the grown ups.
I don't believe I've violated any rules or terms of service so please just ban me if you're not going to allow differing opinions on this board.


You did t violate the rules, hence not being banned. You just don’t have anything remotely associated with an empathetic adult viewpoint, hence the direct critique. The “you don’t allow different viewpoints because you disagreed with mine” take is again, not an adult form of communication.

I'm of a mind PGB is just looking to squab. His/Her takes are off the charts.

Not taking sides, just curious. What do you deem an adult form of communication?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:31 am    Post subject:

Not throwing obviously indefensible bad takes into a thread for the purposes of filing people up with no intention to defend the take on the merits, because you know it’s a losing argument. Arguing to incite and mislead are not grown up ways to discuss tough issues.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 8:38 am    Post subject:

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Not throwing obviously indefensible bad takes into a thread for the purposes of filing people up with no intention to defend the take on the merits, because you know it’s a losing argument. Arguing to incite and mislead are not grown up ways to discuss tough issues.

Isn't that the definition of trolling? If so isn't that against the TOS?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:08 am    Post subject:

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Not throwing obviously indefensible bad takes into a thread for the purposes of filing people up with no intention to defend the take on the merits, because you know it’s a losing argument. Arguing to incite and mislead are not grown up ways to discuss tough issues.

Isn't that the definition of trolling? If so isn't that against the TOS?


Fair argument and it fits the definition. I’m giving folks a chance to own the post and the argument or maybe just realize they don’t have the goods, stepped in it, aren’t ready to back their play, and move on. People can be good posters about a lot of things and just have areas where they can’t behave. Which is ironic because we always get the “you just ban people for disagreeing” argument. I love that one. That’s the classic “you got me but I’m gonna play tough guy”. Said by no one ever with a good or genuine argument.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 26, 2021 3:05 pm    Post subject:

When will it end? 🤬

I'm probably wrong on the count, seems as though it changes every week. Off the top of my head, I remember 3 Black men being killed by the police since the trial of Derek Chauvin. I don't have the number killed since the murder of George Floyd.

The police have refused to release the full body cam video. They released a 20 second clip of a 30 second video. Why only 20 seconds? What's on the unshown 10 seconds? What is it they don't want us to see?

By no stretch of the imagination do I claim any forensic credibility. With limited knowledge, I think the footage will be altered or deleted.

If my fears come to fruition I hope a forensic expert will be able to recover and possibly restore deleted or altered footage. I'm fairly sure they'll be able to detect any splices.

Police 'executed' Black man in North Carolina shooting, say lawyers

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Lawyers for the family said the 42-year-old Brown had his hands on the steering wheel of his car and was complying with police orders when he was gunned down, leaving a trail of shell casings in the driveway of his home in Elizabeth City.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 2:16 pm    Post subject: Again

Deputy is heard saying "he's got a gun to his head." Why would he shoot a man 7 times with a gun to HIS HEAD? Praying for Isaiah's recovery.

Isaiah Brown, Black man shot by Virginia deputy who gave him ride home, in critical condition

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You would think the conviction of Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd would slow the shooting/killing of Black men. Seems just the opposite is happening.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:43 pm    Post subject:

Feds plan to indict Chauvin, other three ex-officers on civil rights charges

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Leading up to Derek Chauvin's murder trial, Justice Department officials had spent months gathering evidence to indict the ex-Minneapolis police officer on federal police brutality charges, but they feared the publicity frenzy could disrupt the state's case.

So they came up with a contingency plan: If Chauvin were found not guilty on all counts or the case ended in a mistrial, they would arrest him at the courthouse, according to sources familiar with the planning discussions.

Now, with Chauvin's state trial out of the way, federal prosecutors are moving forward with their case. They plan to ask a grand jury to indict Chauvin and the other three ex-officers involved in George Floyd's killing — J. Alexander Kueng, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao — on charges of civil rights violations, a source said.

Prosecutors want to indict Chauvin in connection to two cases: for pinning Floyd down by his neck for more than 9 ½ minutes in May 2020, and for the violent arrest of a 14-year-old boy in 2017. In the latter case, Chauvin struck the teen on the head with his flashlight, then grabbed him by the throat and hit him again, according to court documents.

The other three ex-officers would be charged only in connection with Floyd's death.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 6:39 am    Post subject:

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Leading up to Derek Chauvin's murder trial, Justice Department officials had spent months gathering evidence to indict the ex-Minneapolis police officer on federal police brutality charges, but they feared the publicity frenzy could disrupt the state's case.

So they came up with a contingency plan: If Chauvin were found not guilty on all counts or the case ended in a mistrial, they would arrest him at the courthouse, according to sources familiar with the planning discussions.

Now, with Chauvin's state trial out of the way, federal prosecutors are moving forward with their case. They plan to ask a grand jury to indict Chauvin and the other three ex-officers involved in George Floyd's killing — J. Alexander Kueng, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao — on charges of civil rights violations, a source said.

Prosecutors want to indict Chauvin in connection to two cases: for pinning Floyd down by his neck for more than 9 ½ minutes in May 2020, and for the violent arrest of a 14-year-old boy in 2017. In the latter case, Chauvin struck the teen on the head with his flashlight, then grabbed him by the throat and hit him again, according to court documents.

The other three ex-officers would be charged only in connection with Floyd's death.


KARE 11 Investigates: Derek Chauvin held a teenager down prone for 17 minutes

LINK Watch the video I hold the MPD partially responsible for the death of George Floyd. Chauvin's past record allows he should not have been on the police force.

I think the George Floyd bill has a clause that when there's a police-involved death the officers record is made available like they do the victims.
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2021 12:58 pm    Post subject:

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The Biden admin has opened two pattern-or-practice investigation in its first 100 days. Trump's DOJ opened just one in four years.


These are the Federal investigations into whether police depts/cities have systemic issues with "unconstitutional or unlawful policing". They have been initiated in Minneapolis (George Floyd) and Louisville (Breonna Taylor) with hopefully more to come.

And the Biden DOJ nominees were delayed for several weeks by GOP opposition in the Senate so just now getting started.
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The Biden admin has opened two pattern-or-practice investigation in its first 100 days. Trump's DOJ opened just one in four years.


These are the Federal investigations into whether police depts/cities have systemic issues with "unconstitutional or unlawful policing". They have been initiated in Minneapolis (George Floyd) and Louisville (Breonna Taylor) with hopefully more to come.

And the Biden DOJ nominees were delayed for several weeks by GOP opposition in the Senate so just now getting started.


They're going to find many cases of "unconstitutional or unlawful policing". What will it accomplish? Who will be held accountable? Do the Feds have any real power in establishing city and county policing policies?

Don't misunderstand me. I'm pleased to see something being done. However, I see it as a grand gesture to further illuminate the problem but I don't see what it will really accomplish.
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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2021 1:48 pm    Post subject:

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Tia Sewell @tia_sewell

The Biden admin has opened two pattern-or-practice investigation in its first 100 days. Trump's DOJ opened just one in four years.


These are the Federal investigations into whether police depts/cities have systemic issues with "unconstitutional or unlawful policing". They have been initiated in Minneapolis (George Floyd) and Louisville (Breonna Taylor) with hopefully more to come.

And the Biden DOJ nominees were delayed for several weeks by GOP opposition in the Senate so just now getting started.


They're going to find many cases of "unconstitutional or unlawful policing". What will it accomplish? Who will be held accountable? Do the Feds have any real power in establishing city and county policing policies?

Don't misunderstand me. I'm pleased to see something being done. However, I see it as a grand gesture to further illuminate the problem but I don't see what it will really accomplish.


They can mandate changes under court order and file a Federal lawsuit if the cities/depts don't agree to reforms if needed.

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PostPosted: Mon May 03, 2021 4:22 pm    Post subject:

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SweetP wrote:
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Tia Sewell @tia_sewell

The Biden admin has opened two pattern-or-practice investigation in its first 100 days. Trump's DOJ opened just one in four years.


These are the Federal investigations into whether police depts/cities have systemic issues with "unconstitutional or unlawful policing". They have been initiated in Minneapolis (George Floyd) and Louisville (Breonna Taylor) with hopefully more to come.

And the Biden DOJ nominees were delayed for several weeks by GOP opposition in the Senate so just now getting started.


They're going to find many cases of "unconstitutional or unlawful policing". What will it accomplish? Who will be held accountable? Do the Feds have any real power in establishing city and county policing policies?

Don't misunderstand me. I'm pleased to see something being done. However, I see it as a grand gesture to further illuminate the problem but I don't see what it will really accomplish.


They can mandate changes under court order and file a Federal lawsuit if the cities/depts don't agree to reforms if needed.

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Let's see what Biden's pattern-or-practice investigation reveals and watch to see if any patterns change or if it's just same-o same-o. I know it won't happen overnight.

Al Sharpton gave the eulogy at the funeral of Andrew Brown today. He said this was the fourth since the death of George Floyd. Seems as though it's business as usual.

Biden will use all he has at his disposal to try to make a change. In order for change to happen, it has to be implemented from the ground up. First-level leadership in police departments has to be held accountable.

More than a dozen police chiefs faced backlash – and left – after George Floyd's death. Here's a list.


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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2021 4:57 pm    Post subject:

I know I may not post here as often as the majority. Yet, we are all here because of the Lakers.

This controversial issue has divided society to the point where logic is somewhat skewed. Facts are devised and conjured based on choosing between only 2 sides.

I grew up in a very rough neighborhood in Long Beach. We knew what the consequences were, at a very young age, for the actions we conducted in our hood. Cops rolling through stopping everyone, even my little brother, to ask questions and see how they were affiliated and to figure out where I was at. Cops would pull every car over for the most minor traffic infraction just to get more info. Parents, younger siblings, anyone that would live in that area was fair game.

It worked. Since, I was eventually caught, rolled up, ghetto bird hovering in circles around me, making sure that I can’t get away for (bleep). Guns pulled while I’m on the ground with pressure all over. Shackles...

End of the day, we are responsible for what occurs in our hood. EVERYTHING. Back then we understood that. We didn’t point the finger at the cops. The cause was our own actions. ACCOUNTABILITY is only on us. No one else and we didn’t cry about it.

I’m sure the athletes have good intentions. I just don’t agree that the cops are the problem. It’s our community that needs to understand how influential they are to how things are responded and viewed as.

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End of the day, we are responsible for what occurs in our hood. EVERYTHING. Back then we understood that. We didn’t point the finger at the cops. The cause was our own actions. ACCOUNTABILITY is only on us. No one else and we didn’t cry about it.


Yes we're responsible for some of the occurrences in our neighborhoods. Yes we need to address them. But those are not points this thread is addressing.

As to your RESPONSIBILITY & ACCOUNTABILITY

Are we responsible when a Black teenage girl in a mini skirt is handcuffed to a fence with her hands so high above her head her underwear is exposed?

Are we responsible when a Black young man is handcuffed with his hands behind his back so long he cramps, in the same holding cell with a White youth unhandcuffed?

Are we responsible for walking around our neighborhoods doing nothing and be stopped, frisked, and asked where are we going?

Are we responsible when DWB stopped for driving too nice a car and told the reason for the stop is you fit the description of someone?

Are we responsible for cops shooting us and we're unarmed?

Are we responsible for getting a knee placed on the neck of one of ours, killing him?

Are we responsible for the police shooing through the walls of an apartment killing the Black female occupant?

I could go on and on but I think you get my drift. You are so far off base you're not even in the ballpark.

Accountability isn't only on us. The police are also accountable and the playing field is not level.

Not meaning to be insulting but I think you need to wake up and smell the $hit going on in Black hoods.

Excuse me for confusing the filter. SMH
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 7:33 am    Post subject:

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Why won't they release the full video? Why only snipits? The prosecutor has appointed himself as judge and jury.

North Carolina sheriff's deputies 'justified' in fatally shooting Andrew Brown Jr., DA says

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2021 10:56 am    Post subject:

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Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. Why won't they release the full video? Why only snipits? The prosecutor has appointed himself as judge and jury.

North Carolina sheriff's deputies 'justified' in fatally shooting Andrew Brown Jr., DA says

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That whole press conference was ridiculous. As many have said, DA Womble sounded and acted exactly like he was the Sheriffs' defense attorney and not the DA in charge of presenting the facts in a truthful manner.
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His family says they were told he died in a car wreck. Video now shows Ronald Greene was kicked, dragged and tased by police.
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After Ronald Greene's fatal 2019 encounter with the Louisiana State Police, family members said police told them he died in an auto accident.

A preliminary investigative report later said that Greene actually died after resisting and struggling with law enforcement after the chase ended in a crash.

Now, more than two years later, body camera video obtained by the Associated Press shows what happened to Greene after the crash on a dark road outside the northern Louisiana city of Monroe on May 10, 2019.

In three brief video clips posted by the news agency, Greene can be heard apologizing to the officers that night, saying he was scared and supplicating for their mercy.

Greene's car door is opened. A Taser goes off.

OK, OK," Greene is heard saying. "I'm sorry. I'm scared. Officer, I'm scared. I'm your brother. I'm scared."

After being tased, Greene can be heard moaning while still on the ground and being put in handcuffs by one officer, while another officer kicks him several times. An officer can be heard saying, "I've got blood all over me, I hope this guy ain't got f**king AIDS," as Greene continues to moan. At one point an officer drags Greene.

The initial state police crash report made no mention of troopers using force or arresting Greene.

The report from the LSP said that two troopers pursued a vehicle being driven by Greene following an attempt to pull over Greene for a
n unspecified traffic violation and the pursuit ended when Greene crashed his vehicle
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2021 9:00 pm    Post subject:

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After Ronald Greene's fatal 2019 encounter with the Louisiana State Police, family members said police told them he died in an auto accident.

A preliminary investigative report later said that Greene actually died after resisting and struggling with law enforcement after the chase ended in a crash.

Now, more than two years later, body camera video obtained by the Associated Press shows what happened to Greene after the crash on a dark road outside the northern Louisiana city of Monroe on May 10, 2019.

In three brief video clips posted by the news agency, Greene can be heard apologizing to the officers that night, saying he was scared and supplicating for their mercy.

Greene's car door is opened. A Taser goes off.

OK, OK," Greene is heard saying. "I'm sorry. I'm scared. Officer, I'm scared. I'm your brother. I'm scared."

After being tased, Greene can be heard moaning while still on the ground and being put in handcuffs by one officer, while another officer kicks him several times. An officer can be heard saying, "I've got blood all over me, I hope this guy ain't got f**king AIDS," as Greene continues to moan. At one point an officer drags Greene.

The initial state police crash report made no mention of troopers using force or arresting Greene.

The report from the LSP said that two troopers pursued a vehicle being driven by Greene following an attempt to pull over Greene for a
n unspecified traffic violation and the pursuit ended when Greene crashed his vehicle
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Car Accident

What's even more disgusting than Black people being abused and killed by cops is the fact that cops usually seem to lie about what happened.

I hate how cops are literally allowed to lie to suspects and "persons of interest". Putting a stop to that should be part of police reform.
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Graphic Video. NSFW.


Cops Approach Wrong Man, Taser Him, Beat Him, Put Him in Intensive Care, and Kill His Dog - Video
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Elijah McClain Death: Grand Jury Returns 32-Count Indictment Against Aurora Police Officers, Medics Involved

Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser announced Wednesday morning that the grand jury returned a 32-count indictment against the three Aurora police officers and two medics with Aurora fire involved in Elijah McClain’s death a little more than two years ago.

McClain was walking home from a store where he purchased tea for his brother in August 2019 when a passerby called 911 and reported McClain was acting odd. After a confrontation with police, McClain was placed in a chokehold, and tackled to the ground. Eventually he was given ketamine, a sedative, by an Aurora Fire Department paramedic. He died a few days later.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:21 pm    Post subject:

DaMuleRules wrote:
Elijah McClain Death: Grand Jury Returns 32-Count Indictment Against Aurora Police Officers, Medics Involved

Colorado Attorney General Phil Weiser announced Wednesday morning that the grand jury returned a 32-count indictment against the three Aurora police officers and two medics with Aurora fire involved in Elijah McClain’s death a little more than two years ago.

McClain was walking home from a store where he purchased tea for his brother in August 2019 when a passerby called 911 and reported McClain was acting odd. After a confrontation with police, McClain was placed in a chokehold, and tackled to the ground. Eventually he was given ketamine, a sedative, by an Aurora Fire Department paramedic. He died a few days later.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2021 5:33 am    Post subject:

what you guys think about this?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/women-who-fought-hostess-carmine-s-nyc-claim-slurs-used-n1279639
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