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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:51 am    Post subject:

For whatever reason, it seems pretty obvious Frank isn’t the right coach for this team, we are terrible on both sides of the ball and even with our poor record which actually much worse as many of those wins we scrapped by against teams we should have destroyed and we continue to get blasted by teams we put away easily….a good coach needs to get the best out of the team he has….he’s not doing that… the rotations are a mess…for the talent we have it’s terrible basketball….and no that wouldn’t mean we are stuck with Fiz it’s the Lakers with multiple all stars they can find a good coach
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 5:15 am    Post subject:

Well, Coach K is retiring in a few months... he's got lots of experience coaching Team USA.. our team is basically made up of team usa guys, just older now..

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:21 am    Post subject:

av3773 wrote:
For whatever reason, it seems pretty obvious Frank isn’t the right coach for this team, we are terrible on both sides of the ball and even with our poor record which actually much worse as many of those wins we scrapped by against teams we should have destroyed and we continue to get blasted by teams we put away easily….a good coach needs to get the best out of the team he has….he’s not doing that… the rotations are a mess…for the talent we have it’s terrible basketball….and no that wouldn’t mean we are stuck with Fiz it’s the Lakers with multiple all stars they can find a good coach


Whatever reason is because this is a deeply flawed roster. Vogel has shown that he can coach guys up to play defense but he is given a roster of non-defenders. Whatever reason is Pelinka’s incompetency.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:54 am    Post subject:

I don't have the same view point....the mark of a good coach is maximizing the talent they have....yes 1st go around he did have a team that was better suited to being a D first team.....but we don't now, that's just how it is...so the coach needs to show he can adapt.....rather than being the number 1 D and top 10 O, we need to flip it and me a number 1 or 2 offense...because this teams strength theortically should be our fire power....and even with this roster we should at least be a middling D team not near the bottom.....the reality is we aren't moving Russ or making big roster changes...so it comes down to whether this coach fits this team and that really doesn't seem to be the case


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For whatever reason, it seems pretty obvious Frank isn’t the right coach for this team, we are terrible on both sides of the ball and even with our poor record which actually much worse as many of those wins we scrapped by against teams we should have destroyed and we continue to get blasted by teams we put away easily….a good coach needs to get the best out of the team he has….he’s not doing that… the rotations are a mess…for the talent we have it’s terrible basketball….and no that wouldn’t mean we are stuck with Fiz it’s the Lakers with multiple all stars they can find a good coach


Whatever reason is because this is a deeply flawed roster. Vogel has shown that he can coach guys up to play defense but he is given a roster of non-defenders. Whatever reason is Pelinka’s incompetency.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:06 am    Post subject:

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I don't have the same view point....the mark of a good coach is maximizing the talent they have....yes 1st go around he did have a team that was better suited to being a D first team.....but we don't now, that's just how it is...so the coach needs to show he can adapt.....rather than being the number 1 D and top 10 O, we need to flip it and me a number 1 or 2 offense...because this teams strength theortically should be our fire power....and even with this roster we should at least be a middling D team not near the bottom.....the reality is we aren't moving Russ or making big roster changes...so it comes down to whether this coach fits this team and that really doesn't seem to be the case


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For whatever reason, it seems pretty obvious Frank isn’t the right coach for this team, we are terrible on both sides of the ball and even with our poor record which actually much worse as many of those wins we scrapped by against teams we should have destroyed and we continue to get blasted by teams we put away easily….a good coach needs to get the best out of the team he has….he’s not doing that… the rotations are a mess…for the talent we have it’s terrible basketball….and no that wouldn’t mean we are stuck with Fiz it’s the Lakers with multiple all stars they can find a good coach


Whatever reason is because this is a deeply flawed roster. Vogel has shown that he can coach guys up to play defense but he is given a roster of non-defenders. Whatever reason is Pelinka’s incompetency.


Maybe Vogel is maximizing the talent he has? Lebron has been a non-factor and we are seeing what we saw from teams led by AD and Westbrook. There are only a few defenders and the shooters that so many here lauded in the offseason really can’t shoot consistently. This is the team that the FO gave us.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:50 am    Post subject:

Anythings possible I suppose, but I think the likiehood that multipe high 30%/low 40% shooters all of sudden can't shoot....not to mention our O is so Iso heavy it semms like our players are always taking conested shots....a good coach needs to be able to figure out how to coach through that....plenty of teams that were pretty poor defensively but still remained highliy competitive by taking advantage of the O talent they have....there is no reason a team even with out LeBron...should be losing on a consistent basis to teams at the bottom of the standings.....and if Frank can't get it done, then that's just reality...not possible to go back in time.....and I would say his crazy rotations are another sign he just doesn't fit this team...DJ playing at the strangest moments, inexpicably yanking the hot hand, bizzare rondo and russ combos, etc.....that's on the coach.

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I don't have the same view point....the mark of a good coach is maximizing the talent they have....yes 1st go around he did have a team that was better suited to being a D first team.....but we don't now, that's just how it is...so the coach needs to show he can adapt.....rather than being the number 1 D and top 10 O, we need to flip it and me a number 1 or 2 offense...because this teams strength theortically should be our fire power....and even with this roster we should at least be a middling D team not near the bottom.....the reality is we aren't moving Russ or making big roster changes...so it comes down to whether this coach fits this team and that really doesn't seem to be the case


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av3773 wrote:
For whatever reason, it seems pretty obvious Frank isn’t the right coach for this team, we are terrible on both sides of the ball and even with our poor record which actually much worse as many of those wins we scrapped by against teams we should have destroyed and we continue to get blasted by teams we put away easily….a good coach needs to get the best out of the team he has….he’s not doing that… the rotations are a mess…for the talent we have it’s terrible basketball….and no that wouldn’t mean we are stuck with Fiz it’s the Lakers with multiple all stars they can find a good coach


Whatever reason is because this is a deeply flawed roster. Vogel has shown that he can coach guys up to play defense but he is given a roster of non-defenders. Whatever reason is Pelinka’s incompetency.


Maybe Vogel is maximizing the talent he has? Lebron has been a non-factor and we are seeing what we saw from teams led by AD and Westbrook. There are only a few defenders and the shooters that so many here lauded in the offseason really can’t shoot consistently. This is the team that the FO gave us.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:46 pm    Post subject:

Our spacing, passing games (even with Bron, Westbrook and Rondo) is basura. Our defense is even more basura.

Figure it out Coaches!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 4:41 pm    Post subject:

Tick tock
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:11 pm    Post subject:

Nash Vegas wrote:
Tick tock

Lakers are 6-3 with Bron. 4-7 without him, and the RW trade and choosing THT over Caruso for payment (with lux tax) basically killed Vogel's chances at making this work easily.

Vogel is getting a guy who was cut by Golden State, play meaningful minutes and start. He is getting Monk, who was let go by Charlotte, for a vet min, play D.

The big 3 have played what 8 games together? How can anyone properly judge Vogel in these circumstances. It really beats me. It's as if there's some brilliant mastermind like Phil Jackson waiting around to take over. All the current elite coaches have jobs ..... out of the FA coaches, Vogel is better than all of them, by miles. He has won a championship with his defensive system and built a contender in Indiana with it as well. Rob needs to get him some defensive role players before the trade deadline. Get big 3 healthy together and then lets see.

No changes before end of season. Would be beyond foolish.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 7:18 pm    Post subject:

wolfpaclaker wrote:
Nash Vegas wrote:
Tick tock

Lakers are 6-3 with Bron. 4-7 without him, and the RW trade and choosing THT over Caruso for payment (with lux tax) basically killed Vogel's chances at making this work easily.

Vogel is getting a guy who was cut by Golden State, play meaningful minutes and start. He is getting Monk, who was let go by Charlotte, for a vet min, play D.

The big 3 have played what 8 games together? How can anyone properly judge Vogel in these circumstances. It really beats me. It's as if there's some brilliant mastermind like Phil Jackson waiting around to take over. All the current elite coaches have jobs ..... of the FA's. Vogel is better than all of them, by miles.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 8:05 pm    Post subject:

Vogel going with Lebron/Melo at the 4/5 actually lead to us winning today's game.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:06 pm    Post subject:

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Vogel going with Lebron/Melo at the 4/5 actually lead to us winning today's game.


F it, Bron at 5, AD at the 4, Melo, WB and whoever’s hot
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:50 pm    Post subject:

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Vogel going with Lebron/Melo at the 4/5 actually lead to us winning today's game.


F it, Bron at 5, AD at the 4, Melo, WB and whoever’s hot


This turkey of a roster and season so far is not all Vogel’s fault. What is his fault is not adapting or changing up what clearly doesn’t work. He needs to be proactive and deal with adversity a lot better. The season can still be saved but Pellinka must make roster moves to maximize his coach as weird
As that sounds. Vogel is currently driving a car that has broken parts and it needs to go the shop before it can work. If the team doesn’t make roster moves they are admitting defeat on the season.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:46 pm    Post subject:

We could use some help on the O, they just published Frank's last 4 years ATO plays and his teams rank last
I don't think it's completely his fault tho, it is common knowledge that he is a defensive coach, the Lakers should find a good assistant offensive coach and the players must buy in that offensive coach plays....
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:46 am    Post subject:

https://twitter.com/hmfaigen/status/1464268922195087362?s=21

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.@TheSteinLine reports in his latest newsletter that "there is also rising buzz in coaching circles about the pressure mounting on Frank Vogel given the Lakers’ worrisome 10-10 start … given L.A.’s lack of flexibility to make roster changes."


Something happened with the extension talks, leaks now getting louder and Vogel looks like he is nearing the end tbh.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:45 am    Post subject:

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https://twitter.com/hmfaigen/status/1464268922195087362?s=21

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.@TheSteinLine reports in his latest newsletter that "there is also rising buzz in coaching circles about the pressure mounting on Frank Vogel given the Lakers’ worrisome 10-10 start … given L.A.’s lack of flexibility to make roster changes."


Something happened with the extension talks, leaks now getting louder and Vogel looks like he is nearing the end tbh.


It’s gonna be sad if Vogel ends up being the fall guy, the Lakers have probably made like hundreds of different line ups due to injuries.. it’s not his fault that the Lakers haven’t had the time to gel, and lack of flexibility to make roster changes is a BS excuse, the Lakers potentially have Westbrook’s 44M salary to use to make a major move if the Lakers can’t figure it out. then there is THT and Nunn, Lakers can still get a good player without hampering the roster if emplay’s speculation about Grant is true.. lots of possibilities without going full panic mode and firing Vogel.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:43 am    Post subject:

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https://twitter.com/hmfaigen/status/1464268922195087362?s=21

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.@TheSteinLine reports in his latest newsletter that "there is also rising buzz in coaching circles about the pressure mounting on Frank Vogel given the Lakers’ worrisome 10-10 start … given L.A.’s lack of flexibility to make roster changes."


Something happened with the extension talks, leaks now getting louder and Vogel looks like he is nearing the end tbh.


Imagine being fired after being handed a handful of square pegs and round holes and not being able to make it fit.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:44 pm    Post subject:

venturalakersfan wrote:
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https://twitter.com/hmfaigen/status/1464268922195087362?s=21

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.@TheSteinLine reports in his latest newsletter that "there is also rising buzz in coaching circles about the pressure mounting on Frank Vogel given the Lakers’ worrisome 10-10 start … given L.A.’s lack of flexibility to make roster changes."


Something happened with the extension talks, leaks now getting louder and Vogel looks like he is nearing the end tbh.


Imagine being fired after being handed a handful of square pegs and round holes and not being able to make it fit.


Nature of the game. Phil Jackson, Pat Riley - look at the list of all time wins by coaches and pretty much everyone except Auerbach & Pop were fired or run off of jobs.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:46 pm    Post subject:

Vogel isn’t great but he got shafted with the roster this year. He will have to prove his chops at pulling a defense together.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:55 pm    Post subject:

To those who want Vogel gone: who’s the replacement?

Cos Fizdale is trash

Stotts?

DAntoni?

Not many options - in season or in the offseason.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:59 pm    Post subject:

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To those who want Vogel gone: who’s the replacement?

Cos Fizdale is trash

Stotts?

DAntoni?

Not many options - in season or in the offseason.


I have read a lot of what Laker fans are saying about Frank and a lot of them support him and think the team looks inconsistent because of injuries, I think Marc Stein’s article is BS, Rob and Jeannie love Vogel and won’t over panic because of the team being 10-10...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:00 pm    Post subject:

Keep Vogel

Assess options in offseason (Stotts, MDA, Gentry, Clifford)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:02 pm    Post subject:

iimarshon wrote:
Keep Vogel

Assess options in offseason (Stotts, MDA, Gentry, Clifford)


None of those coaches are an upgrade over Vogel, people need to get off there high horse and just let the team gel by getting healthy, we are slowly starting to have a healthy team again so the defense and offense will Improve all across the board.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:06 pm    Post subject:

Playing defense is an effort and desire thing, if these star divas (some anyway) are not listening to Vogel - it’s not his fault per se. I’m think these kind of players will only be motivated by a coach with more gravitas - like Phil, (who wouldn’t hesitate to bench or call out players publicly who are dogging it) or Poppovich or perhaps Lue. Since the first two are not available it would have to be Lue, and that couldn’t be this year anyway.

The players who are not playing defense need to be called out publicly and embarrassed; that will get them motivated - only someone like Phil could do that. Maybe Lue can motivate them also, since he’s close with lebron
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2021 8:41 pm    Post subject:

I don’t think Vogel understands that his starting lineups and rotations lead to the Lakers constantly having to play catch up and he is pretty lucky Sac began the game shooting in a way that would make the Lakers shooting look like they are the Warriors.
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