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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:14 pm    Post subject:

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Curry or KD now.


Two of the best scorers I have ever seen. Yes better than Jordan and Kobe.

There was this one guy in here who kept saying the new flop rules would slow Curry's scoring. I couldn't help but laugh. Curry gets fouled off ball more than anyone because they are trying to keep him from getting any daylight.

Curry is my MVP right now

shooter, 1000%, but i think MJ and Kobe were better at everything else, but in today's NBA, shooting is the key. Curry is probably a little easier to stop compare to KD. the NBA's game has evolved over time, the use of high PnR really puts shooting on top over other iso skills.


Who would you rank as the best five all time pure scorers?

MJ, Kobe, KD, distant fourth Lebron, Curry


Is LeBron that far off tho, his career avg is pretty much same as KD and they play in same era

just imo, Lebron is a great scorer especially when he attacks the basket, and what separates him from the top 3 is that teams will dare him to shoot as their scheme to stop him, where the top 3 has no real way of game planning. you can point out that his 3% is not bad, but what about mid range game? the top 3 all have insane midrange games while lebron is just catching up. with that being said i'd take any one of them any given day.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 12:16 pm    Post subject:

Westbrook. Triple doubles average, 50% 3-pt fg, 3 stl/gm.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:21 pm    Post subject:

governator wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
defense wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
Curry or KD now.


Two of the best scorers I have ever seen. Yes better than Jordan and Kobe.

There was this one guy in here who kept saying the new flop rules would slow Curry's scoring. I couldn't help but laugh. Curry gets fouled off ball more than anyone because they are trying to keep him from getting any daylight.

Curry is my MVP right now

shooter, 1000%, but i think MJ and Kobe were better at everything else, but in today's NBA, shooting is the key. Curry is probably a little easier to stop compare to KD. the NBA's game has evolved over time, the use of high PnR really puts shooting on top over other iso skills.


Who would you rank as the best five all time pure scorers?

MJ, Kobe, KD, distant fourth Lebron, Curry


Is LeBron that far off tho, his career avg is pretty much same as KD and they play in same era


Lebron is right up there with the other 5. Early in his career, Lebron hesitated to shoot in certain situations, but that hasn't been the case for a while.

What makes Lebron different than those other guys is he's a scorer with a pass-first mentality, which is a rare combination. The other guys' inclination is to shoot first, while Lebron inclination is to look for a better shot.

That said, everyone on this list is a great all-around player, and each of them do some things better and worst relative to the rest of the folks on the list of GOAT scorers.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:32 pm    Post subject:

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just imo, Lebron is a great scorer especially when he attacks the basket, and what separates him from the top 3 is that teams will dare him to shoot as their scheme to stop him, where the top 3 has no real way of game planning.


I would say that was true earlier in his career, but it really hasn't been the case for a while.

You are right that Lebron's mid-range shot is the weakest part of his game. That's probably one reason he doesn't take many. By and large, he will either shoot a 3, take it to the rim, or pass.

But then this circles us back to what being a great "scorer" means. Is it someone who can score in the largest number of ways, or someone who can score a lot efficiently. Kareem, for example, really didn't really use a lot of different shots but he was a great scorer -- he did the same thing over and over because it worked.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:39 pm    Post subject:

If you go by playoffs at his peak, Lebron is often ranked higher than people would assume. Ben Taylor has him behind MJ in the #2 spot. I'd personally have a hard time putting him above KD though.

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Pros: All time volume and all time efficiency, could rise up into otherworldly volume and keep efficiency into elite regions, great variety in scoring by his Heat years, all time slashing and finishing, GOAT level transition scoring, great jumpshot, above average 3 point shooting, could catch and shoot to counter drop coverages, elite back to the basket skills in the post, great post scoring and a fadeaway, insane frame and unstoppable athleticism, elite IQ. (Averaged an unadjusted 33.5 PPG on a rTS of 8% without Dwayne Wade in a decent sample size, averaged an unadjusted 26 PPG and 9% rTS with Dwayne Wade in a great sample size.)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:28 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
governator wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
defense wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
Curry or KD now.


Two of the best scorers I have ever seen. Yes better than Jordan and Kobe.

There was this one guy in here who kept saying the new flop rules would slow Curry's scoring. I couldn't help but laugh. Curry gets fouled off ball more than anyone because they are trying to keep him from getting any daylight.

Curry is my MVP right now

shooter, 1000%, but i think MJ and Kobe were better at everything else, but in today's NBA, shooting is the key. Curry is probably a little easier to stop compare to KD. the NBA's game has evolved over time, the use of high PnR really puts shooting on top over other iso skills.


Who would you rank as the best five all time pure scorers?

MJ, Kobe, KD, distant fourth Lebron, Curry


Is LeBron that far off tho, his career avg is pretty much same as KD and they play in same era


Lebron is right up there with the other 5. Early in his career, Lebron hesitated to shoot in certain situations, but that hasn't been the case for a while.

What makes Lebron different than those other guys is he's a scorer with a pass-first mentality, which is a rare combination. The other guys' inclination is to shoot first, while Lebron inclination is to look for a better shot.

That said, everyone on this list is a great all-around player, and each of them do some things better and worst relative to the rest of the folks on the list of GOAT scorers.


What about Carmelo, McGrady, and Iverson? Dirk as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:12 pm    Post subject:

CandyCanes wrote:
activeverb wrote:
governator wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
defense wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
Curry or KD now.


Two of the best scorers I have ever seen. Yes better than Jordan and Kobe.

There was this one guy in here who kept saying the new flop rules would slow Curry's scoring. I couldn't help but laugh. Curry gets fouled off ball more than anyone because they are trying to keep him from getting any daylight.

Curry is my MVP right now

shooter, 1000%, but i think MJ and Kobe were better at everything else, but in today's NBA, shooting is the key. Curry is probably a little easier to stop compare to KD. the NBA's game has evolved over time, the use of high PnR really puts shooting on top over other iso skills.


Who would you rank as the best five all time pure scorers?

MJ, Kobe, KD, distant fourth Lebron, Curry


Is LeBron that far off tho, his career avg is pretty much same as KD and they play in same era


Lebron is right up there with the other 5. Early in his career, Lebron hesitated to shoot in certain situations, but that hasn't been the case for a while.

What makes Lebron different than those other guys is he's a scorer with a pass-first mentality, which is a rare combination. The other guys' inclination is to shoot first, while Lebron inclination is to look for a better shot.

That said, everyone on this list is a great all-around player, and each of them do some things better and worst relative to the rest of the folks on the list of GOAT scorers.


What about Carmelo, McGrady, and Iverson? Dirk as well.



They are all great, and if you included them in the top 10 scorers of all time I wouldn't bat an eye.

You could also put Larry Bird, James Harden, George Gervin, Dr. J, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, Kareem, Wilt, and a few other guys in the mix.

But a lot depends on how you define what "scorer" means. Some people don't think guys who are primarily post players should be eligible. Some people think of "pure scorers" as guys who do little else but score.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 5:21 pm    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
activeverb wrote:
governator wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
defense wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
Curry or KD now.


Two of the best scorers I have ever seen. Yes better than Jordan and Kobe.

There was this one guy in here who kept saying the new flop rules would slow Curry's scoring. I couldn't help but laugh. Curry gets fouled off ball more than anyone because they are trying to keep him from getting any daylight.

Curry is my MVP right now

shooter, 1000%, but i think MJ and Kobe were better at everything else, but in today's NBA, shooting is the key. Curry is probably a little easier to stop compare to KD. the NBA's game has evolved over time, the use of high PnR really puts shooting on top over other iso skills.


Who would you rank as the best five all time pure scorers?

MJ, Kobe, KD, distant fourth Lebron, Curry


Is LeBron that far off tho, his career avg is pretty much same as KD and they play in same era


Lebron is right up there with the other 5. Early in his career, Lebron hesitated to shoot in certain situations, but that hasn't been the case for a while.

What makes Lebron different than those other guys is he's a scorer with a pass-first mentality, which is a rare combination. The other guys' inclination is to shoot first, while Lebron inclination is to look for a better shot.

That said, everyone on this list is a great all-around player, and each of them do some things better and worst relative to the rest of the folks on the list of GOAT scorers.


What about Carmelo, McGrady, and Iverson? Dirk as well.



They are all great, and if you included them in the top 10 scorers of all time I wouldn't bat an eye.

You could also put Larry Bird, James Harden, George Gervin, Dr. J, Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, Kareem, Wilt, and a few other guys in the mix.

But a lot depends on how you define what "scorer" means. Some people don't think guys who are primarily post players should be eligible. Some people think of "pure scorers" as guys who do little else but score.


Let’s define it as the ability to put the ball into the basket at will.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 8:32 pm    Post subject:

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But a lot depends on how you define what "scorer" means. Some people don't think guys who are primarily post players should be eligible. Some people think of "pure scorers" as guys who do little else but score.


Let’s define it as the ability to put the ball into the basket at will.


I don't have a meaningful way to rank them myself.

Any ranking I gave you would be an off the cuff whim that could be very different tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:01 pm    Post subject:

I hope Curry wins it
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:12 pm    Post subject:

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I hope Curry wins it


I hope Lebron wins it, because that will mean that the Lakers have an amazing turnaround.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:15 am    Post subject:

activeverb wrote:
governator wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
CandyCanes wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
defense wrote:
mad55557777 wrote:
Curry or KD now.


Two of the best scorers I have ever seen. Yes better than Jordan and Kobe.

There was this one guy in here who kept saying the new flop rules would slow Curry's scoring. I couldn't help but laugh. Curry gets fouled off ball more than anyone because they are trying to keep him from getting any daylight.

Curry is my MVP right now

shooter, 1000%, but i think MJ and Kobe were better at everything else, but in today's NBA, shooting is the key. Curry is probably a little easier to stop compare to KD. the NBA's game has evolved over time, the use of high PnR really puts shooting on top over other iso skills.


Who would you rank as the best five all time pure scorers?

MJ, Kobe, KD, distant fourth Lebron, Curry


Is LeBron that far off tho, his career avg is pretty much same as KD and they play in same era


Lebron is right up there with the other 5. Early in his career, Lebron hesitated to shoot in certain situations, but that hasn't been the case for a while.

What makes Lebron different than those other guys is he's a scorer with a pass-first mentality, which is a rare combination. The other guys' inclination is to shoot first, while Lebron inclination is to look for a better shot.

That said, everyone on this list is a great all-around player, and each of them do some things better and worst relative to the rest of the folks on the list of GOAT scorers.


James isnt a pass first player. Hes 23 all time in apg. Out of the players he played with/against, hes 10th. Guys like Simmons, Doncic, Trae havent played enough yet to be in that list so he will probably finish even lower. I cant find a all time ranking in FGA per game, but out of the top 10 scorers all time, plus guys like Melo, KD, Steph, Harden, Dame, Doncic, he ranks tied for 3rd all time with Kobe, behind MJ and Wilt. All the other guys have a career FGA per game lower than James, and in the playoffs his APG drop while his FGA, 3pt FGA and FTA per game all go up. He is a willing passer, yes, but hes a ball dominant scorer/shot taker first
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:33 am    Post subject:

MJ led the league in scoring (ppg) 10 times, in total points scored 11 times (all his full Chicago seasons). He led the playoffs in ppg 10 times, in total points 8 times. Hes got the highest career average in the RS. Hes got the highest career average in the playoffs (nearly 4 points above 2nd place). Hes got the 2nd highest finals ppg, 1pt behind Rick Barry. If you look for he best scorer ever, look no further
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 6:54 am    Post subject:

Giannis gonna win a bunch of MVPs with all that spacing. No one can contain him in the regular season, nor do they really try. He'll win this year.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 7:17 am    Post subject:

Without Kyrie, it’s KD, NBA been itching to put NY on the map again
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I hope Curry wins it


I hope Lebron wins it, because that will mean that the Lakers have an amazing turnaround.

AGREED
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I hope Curry wins it


I hope Lebron wins it, because that will mean that the Lakers have an amazing turnaround.

AGREED
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 10:30 am    Post subject:

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Without Kyrie, it’s KD, NBA been itching to put NY on the map again


KD has really impressive longevity. Granted, he effectively has had two full seasons off, but still— being able to carry a team with his mileage and injury history is incredible.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:58 am    Post subject:

The nets are starting to become this team that expects the trophy to be handed to them…seeing some red flags with that team.
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